Potential RTCW/ET LAN!

Hello dear Crossfire members,

Netherlands Voice and I are looking into the possibility to organise an ET/RTCW LAN somewhere this October/November!
Over the past couple of months we've heard a lot of people in both communities mentioning they'd love another LAN.
With the ever dwindling number of players in these games it's not going to be easy to arrange such a LAN hence we're turning to you.
Before we start setting things in motion that are hard to turn around, we want to make sure there is infact enough interest from the community. With the recent cancellation of the Hungarian LAN fresh in our memory, we want to avoid such an event.
So with this post we'd like to ask you if there is indeed such interest, and what it would require for (some of) you to come to another LAN .

What we can tell you now is this (very basic):

- games: RTCW/ET + possible third game if need more 'numbers'
- date: a weekend in October/November (Friday/Saturday/Sunday)
- location: WZZRD Enschede, The Netherlands
- costs: we aim to make the tournament as cheap as possible :)! more tba

Greetings,
Belgium Homie & Netherlands Voice!
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you can count me in
You know you can't bring your cheats with you there, right?
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who are you? never heard of you, do we know eachother?
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i would be avi for both et/rtcw :)
cool, good luck with it :)

cu there
Don't know, it would really depend on who would attend. The best LANs I've been to were AEF and SAGE (did not play, just came on saturday with Rockskin to party with Tw1zZt and co) just cuz there were so many people that I knew. The last LAN (Adroits) was fun as well, but because of the low number of people, it wasnt the same.
Might be up for this, make sure rtcw and et don't clash!
Haha ye sure
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coming, woo will be my carrier.
i think u could actually get 6 rtcw teams and 6 et teams for this no problem
with Finland twidi in every of those ET teams
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So based on Potty's comment below regarding event hire costs, you will need to charge each team around 300euros each which also means double charging players/teams that are playing both ET and rtcw.

Prizes will need to be 100% funded by community donations to keep the entry fee down (that's just to cover running costs only).
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thats when sponsors come in
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The problem with sponsors is that are they liable not to actually pay. Seanza apparently had sponsors and he has failed miserably in getting people their money. If the LAN went ahead then money would need to be sorted already.
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well then that is awfull sponsoring/propaganda for the brands themselves

we should advertise them as non payers + non liable as a brand that doesnt repect commitment
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avi for both
nice, would play it of course
You can count me in, I think there's alot of interest as i've heard.
avi for this LAN!
with this tempo of tzac-bans for tmoe players, I am afraid I won't be able to field a decent lineup by october :{D
+ska +numeric +zmk +abject +you + hunter :D
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Elviss lol he'd be leaning at the WZZRD Enschede door for hours before going inside :XD
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how 'bout you ?
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Me? You know Romanians are poor we can't afford to go to lans and shit and even if I could sell my dacia (YOU KNOW WE ONLY HAVE THOSE HERE) I don't think it is worth to go to the lan as there will be one OP team which is going to win.
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Yeah, indeed, but this is also a way to meet your teammates :)

But LAN is for nerds, we just went to camping during summer with sticked, was way funnier :D
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:D the Hungarian lan was more interesting and still
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That would be his final test to see how good his stealing skillz are, but hes not yet ready for that :s
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than stop cheating :D :P or search for new players :D
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QL for more funz
enschede? no problem! interest? of course!! rtcw/et ?? YES!!!
team poland lestii ready to roll
avi lololol

but this gonna never happen anyway.
awesome! i will surely be there... maybe sdi will be participating... i will try my best for that!
Would go :_D
Mysterious Monkeys will attend!
cu there lol not
wait who are you?
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I'm Poland Robert hence cannot into afford
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Cheater policy oR?
tosspot needed
Only to make the streams mainpaged on Twitch! I mean he's been a great guy for the community and I'd like to see him there as a fan of the game and public figure, but his jobs have been taken over by other guys(WarWitch Voice DtS ArtstaR MerlinatoR etc) and they deserve to have their highlights on these events aswell.

I would be offended if they work their ass of and he just shows up and gets all the attention/credits :P
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Warwitch ftw ;)
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I know what you're getting at but there would be nothing wrong if toss felt like covering with the other casters who planned on going :P more the better!

but then again he's quite a busy guy these days so I think we'd be lucky overall if he wasn't working at the time :!
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either working or getting whipped at home
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I don't think myself nor Voice would have any problem casting with Tosspot if he did want to join in.

We would be leading the show and he would have to pop on as a guest though!
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I know but I'm getting kinda tired of the TosspoT hyping :P Great guy don't get me wrong, but please move on :D
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- location: WZZRD Enschede, The Netherlands
hmmm :<

why make it a lan, just meet up somewhere and go out for a weekend or something, ( speaking about the rtcw community since I know that interests you most )
u wanna go out with me friend ? we could duo q at restaurant
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sure, eddo & domi will come too because nerds
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Oh yeah! :)
Great idea, would love to attend/help out with simple stuff(don't ask me to organize things, you will be furious within 10 seconds with me :P)
noone asked u :P
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can count on me
gj i heard xperia is going and i gonna watch them an meet him xd
I heard he is signing autographs
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yes cu there
yes v56 all the way
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with the comeback of the almighty eron

nothing can stop us





















haxcept a dodging azur :SSSSSS
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wberon!

hehehehe just got back from London, saw your great offis, gg my e-mates, gg!
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Huge rush and enthusiasm again, then only a handful of guys will actually show up :/

But why not, it doesn't have to be that big of an event. I myself will probably be broke during that time and won't be able to attend :(
what dates are the best for you in terms of throwing some €€€ away at a lan weekend? d:
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Summer / early autumn, decided trying to finish my studies, won't be working after september :(
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avi for rtcw of course!
AVEI for rtcw!|!. ill bring my ukulele!!!!!!
Do WZZRD still have lan PCs onsite or would you need to organise some?
aud strong atm haha?
blow this shit right up and make it the last biggest and best rtcw international lan ever known to man, make it in the center of the earth and we all go
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would need to budget for around $2k return (flights, accommodation and 2 minute noodles for all meals).
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dw the euro community will sponsor us lags
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skyscanner has me around 2000 too. i can afford and my contract finishes oct so could maybe do on way home haha. nosy saves and dash acts rich
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4 players woo! :D

but yeah I wouldn't do it unless I was also having a fck off big holiday either side!
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yea, would be fukn fun though, I maybe would.
aus 2013 lan...haha. or bali, thailand....
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Do u know if kad is still alive?
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yeah he was on our irc a month or so ago, asked a few questions, then disappeared again.
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anim just sold his body to science to fund this trip
Would love to get involved in making this happen.

I know we have already raised some fund through the Shoutcast Collective stuff, so that's at least some money for prizes!

I'll speak to Voice anyway, but let me know if there's anything that needs doing.
Given that this would actually happen; Crossfire should set up an account (via PayPal) where the community could donate money for a larger prizepool which leads to more participants. I know I would chip in a little, as long as the main game of the event is ET. If you're going to treat RTCW as more than just a fun side event (doesn't mean it has to be without a prizepool) you're being unrealistic and will only get a handful of people showing up. And also be ambitious, I'd say the optimal number of teams for a proper ET/RTCW LAN is around 16 for ET and 6 for RTCW. Anything beyond that seems too hard to reach at the moment, could be I'm wrong about many things though.
Myself and Voice would be happy to take donations, we already have a few hundred which would be used as prizes if this went ahead.
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I assume you have looked into how much it costs to hire wzzrd per day? Because it isn't cheap. I wouldn't be against going but I highly doubt if a lan is going to go ahead it will be at wzzrd. Don't forget you'll need a server and some one to manage it. Marcus normally does it but he ain't cheap either, I tried taking him out for dinner but he didn't even kiss me to say thanks :(
I WAS ONLY AFTER A KISS!

hows the phone?
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How much did the last WZZRD event cost to run per day for a multi-pc setup?

My dutch is terrible but from what I found it ranges from 600 euro to 800 euro per day depending on the configuration/theme?

So with the other server stuff you would need to setup and manage probably closer to 900/1000 euro per day to run?
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For the whole venue it is pretty much 1200euros per day. Thats because it has new owners who don't give a shit about what ET has done for the venue in regards to making money ect in the past. They only want money and offer a deal like "make us 3000euros behind the bar each day and you can have it for nothing" That target was un-matchable last time and if this goes ahead, which is really won't, they will not make this time!
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hah 3,000euros a day, there wouldn't be much gaming going on if people were putting that amount over the bar!
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Which is why it won't happen at wzzrd and if it doesn't happen there, I doubt there will be a LAN at all!
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300pl x 20€ == 6000 for entry only, and if everyone spends 15€ for dink coupon at entry you get 4500€ morre
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10500€ for wzzrd => 3500€ per day

^^ i m math genius, and rich.....
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How on earth are you going to get 300 et players go to lan? And going by your logic you have left zero for the prize pool. Like I said. This is not going to happen
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POTTY BELIEVE
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Wish there was a slight chance this would happen. Not going to hold my breath as I don't think these guys have even spoken to the new management of wzzrd yet.
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everybody takes 2 people to come with you => we only need 100 people
i would already know someone :)
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No one would come from the uk to holland to have me chat to people from the internet.
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Organize a 4chan/reddit raid under false pretenses, attract them with whatever bullshit made up reason to attend the lan in masses, like... .. their favorite my little pony is being sodomized on the event venue, because, I don't know. Force them to pay entrance... watch as their utter disappointment and rage takes control over them, ban from venue for aggression and violent tendencies. Have an event paid entirely by itself.

I sense a masterplan in progress, someone would obviously have to work out some of the smaller details and kinks, I'm just here to... you know, set things in motion.
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OR, we could threaten people with violence and tell them to come to lan otherwise we will finish them! Win - win.
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finish them in a mortal combat ;)
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count me in!
im in!

pm Netherlands rezhni here on crossfire, he was thinking about this aswell, maybe he can help out with things ;)
get muscles nerd
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get face jebany :s

hoe gaat t vriend, wat doe je nu zoal, school/werk?

x
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niets, rukken enzo, als dit gaat gebeuren kan ik mischien wel voor de lolz langeskomen
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haha lekker jonge
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Want to believe
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wanneer zijn de kosten en datum bekend?
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weten we nog niet, als het bekend is maken we het zeker bekend op cf!
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F*UCK YEA. Avi if I find myself with a pile of cash!
need some ql or at least 3v3 tournament ! good luck
jmmpp comeback???
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je rentre ce week end a lyon , si kaze est tjr vivant faut voar
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il a sans doute des poiles sur la langue mais il doit toujours être vivant
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Ill donate my 350 euros from the last lan. Pm Seanza to receive payment.
i c what u did thar
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PLUS FUCKING ONE MATE! this asshole need to get burned down
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i would come if i can carpool with some rtcw belgium's
Doubt anyone will bother to pick you up.
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madcuzigotcar :D
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idonthascar :(
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:D
Kheb vorige week woensdag men auto vant werk in de prak gereden.. Vrijdag hebbek nieuwe :D
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nein, ik rij nie als ik drink.. ben echt wel voorbeeldige bob hoor

Auto voor mij bots in de file tegen zijn voorligger, was tijdens die storm van vorige week woensdag (veel regen en bliksem en donder enzo). Plots stond mijn voorligger dan stil zonder da ik remlichten gezien heb, daardoor ben ik er ook nog eens opgereden :d
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haha sandwichtje
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Amai moeilijk om uit te spreken sand - wich - tje
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int west-vlams goat da pertan gemakkeluk wih
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fable ga jij na LAN ?
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Ik zou nog even wachten totdat er een aankondiging is dat er effectief een lan komt :-)
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als je gaat kom dan met malibu lu spiroze kapot outlaw wss
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mag ik ook meedoen
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kweet niet of het nog dorogaat anders wel:D
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You can sleep at my place:) Got a room there:P
Im in,

rifle only.
i could help with investing/renting the place, but we can discuss that further in private
kApot is Avi
Alleen voor nederlanders die ik ken joo latur :D!
last rtcw lan in wzzrd was with 6 teams and much fun... also et and cod were there with lots of teams!

lets get drunk with the chechs/russians again and dance gangdam style like last time (wont use names :p)!
last one was with 4 teams I think, CC6 - would be lucky to get 2 teams this time round I think.
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wtf who r u?
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what about ql as a third game? duel and random ffa cup

anyway i would come to spect some rtcw games and drink beer :-)
Aren't these guys too old for your taste?
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Get CS:GO ;)


dont get Seanza in your team.. he will rob the money again :D
If u host cs:go i'm pretty sure u can get easily 16 teams^^ (also fro met community atleast 3/4 teams? )
well team PDEG will be there again, our entry fee is allready payed to Seanza enjoy your holiday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kENJm15zPU
yea... this fatty is having so much fun with all the money he robbed and next to it doing so fucking serioues with his adroits stuff on facebook...

when i post some negative stuff about this robbign part he's just deleting it and fucking ignoring mehr everywhere... fat bastard^^
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well done. fuck adroits!
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If I was scammed out of some prizemoney like that, I would consider making a webpage outing his scam. Like Seanza-realname-is-a-scammer.org
Just something simple that will show up, if you google his name. Include picture and name and explain what he did.
Wont look good if hes looking for a job or to family and friends if they happen to google his name. Maybe extra motivation for him to pay, or just making a service for other people to know what he did.

EDIT: I dont know the (full) story and what happened. So this incase hes clearly just scammed the money.
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what happened?
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he didnt pay anybody the money out from the last lan^^
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was the last lan @ summer 2012 (I was there I think)? or there was another one after that?
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It was the one after that
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he really ripped the money?
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I'll be there
If theres going to be another LAN, I'm in for it
If you do a LoL lan i'll be there !
Does, WZZRD Enschede have competitors within driving/travelling distance?

If Wzzrd benefitted from, but then casually forgot about the gamers who helped make it a success, its possible that its competitors might be interested instead?

How difficult can it be to set one up and pimp some configs? - just host it near to a bar!

Have you thought about reaching out to the whores about to sell the new Wolfenstein game? - they might throw something your way in return for you guys sticking up some posters and marketing shizzle...nothing ventured etc?
just find another place, rent a gym or something cheaper :O)
avi 100%
any date is ok
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better get in shape and start praccing then, nub. walle been smashing faces with phone internet, WHATS YOUR EXCUSE?
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online pokkers
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If what Seanza says is the truth regarding the prize money and Wzzrd - then i wouldnt host it there. Still waiting on 2.4k winningzzzz
I more or less know the story and yes, the new management put one over on him basically. People are quick to lable people but I guess when money is involved for some poor people on this site they do jump to conclusions. Doesn't look good for Sean but the reason he hasn't publically said why the prize money isn't there is because he is still trying to get it.

Try keep what actually happened, if you know th story, on the low. If wzzrd find out he has been slagging them off I doubt they will ever cough up!
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He's an idiot for not explaining the situation.
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Would you risk burning a bridge with a company that owes you a hefty sum of money? Only if you was an idiot, not the other way around. That is why he hasn't posted publically.
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bullshit, there is something like a lawyer for such situations
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Indeed, if you have a contract, with no particular or situationally dependent recivity clauses etc...

Things aren't always so clear cut and unfortunately we often only make agreements that are iron-clad in retrospect.

Calling bs might be a little premature unless you are wholly familiar with the circumstances.
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So you are going to hire a Lawyer for £2k worth of debts? Minus the costs of the lawyer and run the risk in losing. Either way, you'll still not be much better off! Not worth the risk imo.
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If he (Seanza) had made a written contract, payment plan or basically any official document with the other party involved, he'd have the money by now. If he has done that and hasn't still received what he's asking for I'm very curious to know what's the hold up.

Either way he would likely have a strong case (which means that the lawyer fees are irrelevant) should it ever go as high as a court meeting.

a) he's been gullible
b) wzzrd are the scammers
c) he's the scammer
d) he's handling the situation

Also, it's a standard reaction to demand information if you're owed money can't really blame the people above for being impatient or poor :p
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If you have friends who studied law, you could get them to do it for free!
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Zijde aant solliciteren?
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kvrees dat da nie ga pakke me een diploma geschiedenis
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Ah, kdacht da gij ook rechten deed.

Nog altij niet afgestudeerd?
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Nog paar vakken en kheb men master :p
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Master in geschiedenis... de toekomst lacht u toe. Of zijn kik da gewoon? Kan ook.

Succes alleszins me de herexamens.
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Oh really, you talking about prizes? gimme a break. I went through all the trouble to get our headsets from last razer tournament, and what do you do after you get them, start ignoring me everywhere and not sending them to anyone

So what about you start doing that first then you can comment on here
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iv had mine m8 wtf ? :D
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cu there nerds stopped playing ET cos ive been pumping iron with alexL past 3 years gonna fuck some ppl up yo
bring new teeth
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geh bei seite du küchenhilfe
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na du stricher, noch nicht genug gefressen letztes mal?
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kpmmm vrbei und ich klatschmn dir eine
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dich knick ich wie knäckebrot
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zehmerparty
cu there, the final stand of high5
I'd even go haha, be the only american there :)
bN would be there too!
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to be honest i would like to see a lan in UK. Its to exspensive @ least for us Icelanders to fly to NL hence we are never attending :/
And the Icelandic scene is so big and booming, right?
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yup it is! spot on comment!
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velerion attending. flights booked.
booked for you too btw. had one spare ticket.
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Very interested especially if homie goes
inb4 buttsex
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We can go grocery-shopping for him
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If you go I will attend. I miss shouting "SAILOR"
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Something dragged me to crossfire tonight, had no idea until this thread and comment popped up.
WE MIGHT FINALLY SEE AND TOUCH EACH OTHER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111penis
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Scarzy isn't gay... he is just REALY CAMP
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Not gay but boyfriend is
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I can only hope!
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i would come and bring a team if 6on6 lan and not somewhere stupid far away
Need to wait for the work schedules to be released to see how I have to work in Oct. and Nov. .
Infact this works I'd like to attend the LAN!
Need a team :3
any news or still waiting for more replies?

reflex your welcome in my team with worm,dutchmeat and some others i guess...
Make in in London and I'll come!
everything is better in belgium.
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true. GB => bad beer, expensive and no euro
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What beers do GB not have that are in europe out of interest? Everywhere is expensive if you do not know where to go, the place the WZZRD is at is by no means cheap for food / hotels / travel etc.
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1) Krombacher
2) germany cheap beer and meat (NL ok too, heiniken ftw)
3) NL cheap hotel and tavel for me (380km to adam, 260 to eindhoven) Gb i have to cross the fucking ärmelkanal (English Channel across the sea)

(spelling mistakes and nonsense because of drunk to much)
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1) Krombacher is sold at Tescos, the biggest Supermarket chain in UK.
2) Prices in UK arent that bad outside of pubs - you can generally get good combi deals if you don't limit yourself to single brand.
3) NL Hotels are just as expensive as UK ones unless you are talking about central london which would be the same in the major cities all round the world (new york, paris, madrid etc)
3.2) Travel to the UK is much cheaper than people would assume as well, if you buy a few months beforehand you can get a return flight for €80-85 and for me to get a train from Amsterdam to Enschede for example it cost like €30-40 return. There are always cheap travel options it is just if you are willing to do them or not.
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1) You dont have any/most of the best german beer brands on your island. Only mainstream and highquantity beer.

To your other points I can only agree.
Isnt there a LAN center somewhere in London?
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There are a few places that would let you hire but some are ridiculous in price (£15-20K for a 1-2 day event lol.) I wouldn't say london is the best place though somewhere more central is always best and I think Holland in general is good because a lot of the natives speak English which is I guess a bit more of a common language for gamers.
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Afaik there is something new in London which isnt that pricey, called Gamehall or smth like that.
Will try to find more detail tomorrow or next week
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I'd bet that for almost anyone travelling by plane UK is a lot cheaper option than NL as none of the cheap flight companies travel to NL, atleast from Finland, and for UK there are tons of cheap options (companies/destinations). For example return flights Helsinki-Amsterdam are 200€+ where as you can get return flights to London for as cheap as 50€. That is also the reasons why most Finns visiting the Enschede LANs travelled through Bremen (~60-80€ return flight w/ Ryanair + ~40€ for trains).
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yup, UK just has a bad rep for being expensive. It's also a lot down to the germans/dutch/belgians who dont like to go on planes or travel too far :D
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wouldn't mind traveling by plane!

the only part about this is that we are just a bit too lazy to organize stuff like the flights and so... at all the past lans we just chilled our asses into the cars and the rest was done on our own :p
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almost every ale you get there in the pubs is by far better than the usual lager piss coming from heineken/carlsberg etc
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would be interested in the RTCW portion
from 28/10 - 3/11 theres a public holiday in eu(schools)? or the weekend right before that holiday starts (25/10 - 27/10)
kreaturen will be there.
Don't close the door damnit
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only avi if ironic etc decide to go once again
Yes dude :P maby i will come also.
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#follow.et will be there
one more team wil be there .... we need only a name xd ;) but interested :P
now its for sure K&K will be play the next lan :P (yeah we make a new team) :P
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Gogo :)
Wherever it's gonna be hosted, they better have Chocomel.
what about cod4?
This is ffing awesome!
Yes! This would be fantastic, make it in october so ill be avi aswell :-)
c u there
I would be there no doubt. Even avi to play for a fun team :)
I'm interested, just dont know if i have time then and need to check who wants to go with me ;)
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