CyberGamer for Ladders?
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18 Dec 2013, 07:15
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I got in touch with head of CyberGamer. It seems they have a lot of interest in opening ladders and cups for our beloved game W:ET. It was something they had on their mind for a long time.
CyberGamer is an organisation the Australian ET players used to player their ladder matches and their tournaments. Now it's used for games like CoD4 and LoL. W:ET should be a very nice addition to this game.
Now I'm going to hand this over to the CB ET crew and we'll see what happens. They also mentioned it's no problem if the whole CB ET section swapped to CG.
I'll keep you updated.
timbo
Even that time it was a big IF ESL Core staff would even put ET in wire since its not so much played game, but since it was denied by community we wont ever know, because this time it will surely not happen.
Be happy with what ET has right now and not what it could or should have.
if there would be some list of teams with players which are not doubled and which are even interested to play in ESL that would be cool. But however all are talking big at the moment, but we both know that even those who are so much interested wont play long. So if there would be atleast some decent number of teams and if I ask sn4ke if there is even an option that W:ET gets added on wire, than but only than section would be worth to be reopened.
By the way versus would realy bring visibility to game like ET :)
Flaming old admins like Foamea on forum makes me wanna puke. This guy was working on ET whole day long and this is what he gets back, besides of trying to find or organise some other cups which didnt get even 8 teams...
and this guy is saying for someone who is at the moment in 4 ESL staff :) and btw stary was trial admin, didnt suceed till the end :P cant count him as an esl admin afterwards
Flaming will not bring ESL ET back, you can only dream on that with this kind of attitude someone would even want to maintain inactive section again... for example sn4ke
wondering what was wrong with admins?
Foamea was only in background sometimes teaching new admins stuff...
Besides without sn4ke et would be dropped long time ago, since he is the master of eu section, he was still giving it a try and also tried to get wire on it which was hard in that inactive times... well it was almost impossible, same goes for versus, its not only what you see its a 99% background stuff going on and a lot of time spent for other developments. You just talk crap about admins which decisions were not even only their decissions smartass.
even tough its just a game, but no one is taking et serious anymore. Everyone tries to be cool and do some fancy stuff like trolling etc.pp.
But ye im up for it to play some ET again.
Stop acting like we should all bow down to you because you made some slight modifications to silEnt and called it your own mod. :P
... ohurcool doesn't want to work for esl
... esl won't greet et with open arms
... community has bad experience with esl
well and except for that one of the most valuable things about clanbase is its database of members. all these members won't just jump over to esl.
http://www.crossfire.nu/journals/103777/killerboy-esl-mad
Classic shit, was some important ESL EC Game and there were no ESL Admins to referee it, both teams wanted me to referee their game eventhough I was with ClanBase and nobody from ESL noticed until the game almost finished hahahahaha epic :')
As much as I tried to bust jaN_ he never fucked up that hard to deserve a ban, but I don't think he ever proved himself at LAN?
since esl does the opposite of cb, you should've told him that it was crazily obvious..
one of the basics when signing up as ESL admin used to be that they don't accept applicants who've previously worked with orgs like CB. :D
"We need admins with experience, as long as that experience didn't come from working for ClanBase or some similar organization!"
I refused. I'm a fucking retard, I loved CB too much lol.
CB was always > ESL, if I switched I would have backstabbed CB and probably turned the tide in ESL favour during the ESL vs CB 'wars'.
I still play computer games, even shooters, but ET just 2 h now and then on some random pub.
This is still the best fps multiplayer game imo, altho it has many bugs/problems/etc.. It's sad to see it in such a state as it is, but why dont put effort in trying to keep it alive? Until there are tournaments, the competitive scene is alive (ET won't die, people will still play on pubs and different modes, it's not all only ETPro...).
I have no clue why you say that, if you are not happy then sign up, they had to deal with few ppls who signed up and many got declined
Yes there is always some guys who hate X for Y reasons, but every admins I saw when I was in their staff were wasting too much time of their own for ppls who didnt deserve it imo.
Back in the time u have no clue how much times it took to check guids, ip and others stuff only to allow & identify players for each teams ( and format ).
Just my point of view about the quote & esl.
also had a lot of respect for Sn4KE til he blamed the community for dropping the ET section @ESL.
u cant just lose respect to ppls like that after all the job they have done, i doubt they received anything in return
i have no idea what snake said about community but after what i saw, too much ppls didnt like esl and his website ( ye it was laggy many times but still awesome for the rest ), esl could offer much and its a big name
we had prizemoney/hardware prizes during the last year+LAN finals
we offered an established Anti Cheat solution which was refused by the community
we offered a free and easy match making system for some random/IRC wars but also rejected by the community
default wins and shrinking number of active teams became normal
so from the admin team's point of view: everything was done to keep the section alive
just community did not want to and to be honest: nobody missed the ESL ET Section till now...
Nonetheless we're still grateful to both CB and ESL for supporting the game.
like I said far above, since I made my ESL account I played every season of ESL when it came to spring, summer, fall. but suddenly those stopped (some season was skipped, either spring/summer/fall/winter but whatever it was it wasn't a good idea). ET teams only signed up to CB OC/EC every season because it was routine - I just fell out of that seasonal rhythm: season starts.. sign up to OC/EC.. sign up to ESL 6v6/3v3.. but then there wasn't a seasonal ESL cup to sign up to with my team. :D I remember Spring 2011 didn't have one - YCN had to create a cup so there were 2 online tournaments (EC/OC+YCN). Fall 2011 didn't have an ESL tournament too IIRC so it was BFB1 by TosspoT instead (EC/OC+BFB1). in Spring 2012 there also wasn't an ESL spring cup - BFB2 by TosspoT came in here (EC/OC+BFB2). I for example would have definitely played whatever ESL cups in spring 2012 that ran at the same time as EC because I had an active team here, and that EC had some quite active teams but we didn't have ESL as our alternative. BFB2 instead.
I do remember the Wintercup in 2011: http://www.gamestv.org/league/1012 - the community liked these kinds of tournaments, in sync with the spring/fall seasons. Summer/Winter cups were cool but the most popular/demanded cups were for sure Spring & Fall. these were the ones that stopped coming.
1) " but the AC ESL offered was not for IRC wars or CB matched"
=> official announcement made by me:
http://www.crossfire.nu/news/7782/future-of-esl-eu-et
"1) Is it only for 'official' matches?
No! EWAC supports the gather function and ESL VERSUS as well as all 'official' matches like cup/premiership and ladder matches. Via the gather function teams can meet in a separate chatroom, clear the match details and then just play e.g. 'IRC wars'! Via VERSUS every player can search a 1on1/3on3/6on6 and is automatically put in the respective format he is searching. Via this way you can play any mixes you want. Both matchmaking features need < 5 clicks - easy for everyone."
2) you said: some season was skipped, either spring/summer/fall/winter but whatever it was it wasn't a good idea
=> wrong in the way you mean/present it, we tried to provide a tournament for each season, sometimes we had to skip a season due to big delays caused by not played matches and the "we want to get every match played and no defwins"-policy
moreover we hosted some instant 1-day cups during these periods to provide some tournaments
3) you said no seasonal in spring 2011:
=> wrong, here is the announcement news: http://www.esl.eu/eu/et/news/154920/Last-man-Standing-Series-Cup/
=> tournament concept was not accepted by the community and we had to stop this spring tournament after 1st or 2nd cup took place
4) you said: no seasonal in fall 2011
=> correct but as mentioned above time issues: summer ended in end of sept and we already prepared for the winter season to start in the beginning of december
5) you said: no seasonal in spring 2012
=> wrong + we had a country championship running in the summer/spring period
http://www.esl.eu/eu/et/news/191710/Spring-Cup-Series/
2012 was- in general- a year with tons of offered tournaments...just sign ups were missing
- winter: 1on1/2on2/3on3/6on6
- country championship 3on3 with several qualifiers, groupstage, playoffs
- spring: 1on1/3on3/6on6
- evolution challenge Premiership
- summer: 1on1/3on3/6on6
- autumn: 1on1/3on3/6on6
- Strom Assault Premiership
- some random/1day cups e.g. christmas cup
So, guide me through this...
Admin has idea, admin discusses idea with other admins, admins are fond of idea, admins decide this multibillion dollar idea has to be ran as a cup. Community dislikes idea, admin blames community for bad taste, community doesn't really care either way, as yet again, community has the option to just opt out and play the other cup - given the competition between LEAGUES. Admin decides community has to be the scapegoat for everything bad ever happening?
Leagues are great, everyone likes leagues, but... here's a thing with leagues, if we have multiple options, and we prefer one over the other because they're less restrictive in the way they handle things, or are more appealing because of their rulesets, admin personnel or maybe even just website layout, don't blame the community for having chosen unfavorably for you.
ESL Wire was the possibility of a reliable and regular updated anti cheat with a serious, strong and reliable partner: the ESL which is actually bound to the German law and no unknown third party with intransparent background. If you think that other anti cheat programmes were more suitable...well Wire is still out there and banning cheaters...
here is your little guidance:
First of all i only answered Artstar's comment who claimed that there was no seasonal tournament in spring 2011 which was and still is wrong
CB always provided Spring/Fall OC/EC, therefore we always had small numbers of signed teams for these seasons
-> we wanted to offer sth. new and different to attract the teams
-> teams always focus on CB and therefore this special concept with some hardware prizes was developed
-> teams declined that, concept failed, we decided to bridge this gap with some random 1day-instant cups
-> we concentrated on summer, where CB has no seasonal EC/OC
the ET Admin team tried everything possible according to their resources, especially in 2012 after we talked about a possible end of the section in Spring. i dont want to enumerate the points written above...offer was not accepted, community did not enjoy the effort, ongoing decreasing number of contestants
=> rules of the market: offer is shut down due to a lack of demand by the community
OR do you see any other (ofc offer-sided reasons) for the ESL ET Section being closed? Insufficient effort by the Admins maybe? Admins hate the game? ESL wanted to get rid of that game?
SLAC, also known as the Speedlink-Anticheat was subject to the same German laws as well as having a well known organization behind them, your argument there really doesn't hold. Again, ESL Wire - AT THE TIME - did not offer anything we didn't already have. All the while crippling us in it's usage, where as SLAC was simply better suited.
I don't get why you're so set on trying to turn the "community" into a scapegoat here. Essentially this all boils down to ESL vs CB, CB was more attractive to the players, for whichever reason... maybe it was because the websites' the lesser of both evils (even now, to date, I find the ESL website utterly annoying, misleading and very intrusive with its constant reminder of how necessary it is for me to throw money up their buttholes for "better features"), maybe it's the admin staff that was, personality wise, not very welcoming towards ET players. If I had to pick between Killerboy and some random dude called mist3r to be running my cups, supervising my teams and players and organizing stuff, I'd most definitely go with the person of far greater reputation. Or, maybe players just didn't like the org itself, who knows.
Fact is, clanbase was running EuroCup, and NationsCup in ET, which gave them pretty much a monopoly over recognition and leagues in this scene, next to crossfire lans it had the most prestige cups, period. (EMS, was there, I suppose, but the main attraction still lay with EC). That being said, we now have all attention going towards clanbase, which isn't necessarily bad, but it's not in the PLAYERS' interest to look to other orgs for cups of less or same value. This is where you come in, ESL, to compete against CB, you want the attention, the players, the activity and want your cups to be valued and praised higher? Do something that achieves exactly that, but don't go blaming the community for not wanting to switch to your league when it offers the same or less. That's entirely your fault for not living up to the standards of a competitive environment, or market.
I'm not blaming the Admins here either, as you said, they most likely did everything within their reach to make ESL more attractive towards players, it just... wasn't enough. There was nothing else to do, but if anyone's to blame for that, it'd be ESLs failure for kicking CB of their throne - early enough.
On a side note: Personally, I always preferred ESL as a league, in ET however, it just.. wasn't enough, ever. Also the website, sorry, but, ESL pretty much kicked their own teeth in at some point when they introduced the new site (somewhere around 07? 08?).
speedlink stopped their active esport effort more than 2 years ago. slac turned into tzac, the guy in charge of that software was the same like before and the anticheat became more and more outdated. if you check the date of the linked Wire announcement news you will find out that it was released after serious problems with the other anticheat occurred ( http://www.crossfire.nu/news/7778/tz-ac-discontinuation ). so your argument ("Again, ESL Wire - AT THE TIME - did not offer anything we didn't already have. All the while crippling us in it's usage, where as SLAC was simply better suited") really doesn't hold and is even wrong if you talk about "SLAC" because that was already history when i published the Wire-News in Oct 2012.
a) the admin team: we had great feedback by several top clans regarding our effort and our (you called it) "personality" but living from 10 teams is not enough. moreover everybody was invited to write an application...nothing big happened here
b) "Do something that achieves exactly that": again, as mentioned above everything possible was done (tournaments, huge coverage, LAN finals, cash+hardware prizes, additional services...) Please extend this list with your ideas
c) "offers the same or less": link me any league with something similar like "Gather", "VERSUS", "Wire Anti Cheat", hardware prizes, cash prizes etc. for an old game like ET in addition to the general offers (tournaments, ladders)
d) lets go back to the old website story..ye...quite a good argument. of course not, because from all gaming communities ET was the only one complaining so hard.
so in the end, like you said: community prefers CB, ESL offer wasnt wanted, ET section closed.
That was merely me providing examples as to how ESL could seem less attractive than CB to players. I was not accusing anyone. :)
Here's the thing though, quantity =/= quality, you're listing off "VERSUS", "Gather", Ladders and tons of other services no one uses in this community, or really only has a miniscule amount of players interested in such. You can provide as many features as you like, if they're not applicable to the community you're trying to attract they become void. No one's interested in a Gather system given the bigger flexibility of IRC, this is a rather oldschool community in comparison to other, newer game titles, we're old, we're used to hanging around on IRC; arranging scrims, wars or mixes that way. We like it this way, new games, specifically gamers and younger players are far more susceptible to your stuff, because they might find it easier or are generally unaware of IRC.
Surely you offered a few prized cups, but so did others, yet the prestige always lay with EuroCup, it was higher ranked than anything else in the scene, and that's that. CB was faster, CB made a name for themselves, in ET, before ESL really got the chance to, hell even #etcups were more preferred than ESL itself back then. ESL ladder, in THIS game, never accumulated to anything, neither did the CB ladder.
Yes, they did. And again, this falls back to us having an option, something to compare it to, we had VARIOUS many leagues in ET in the early days, all of which had a more user friendly, easier to navigate and less annoying system and site than ESL ever offered, of course people would be more inclined towards these. In the end, all of this adds up, you stockpile reason over reason over reason that makes ESL less attractive than CB or Warleagues or Liga4Fun or PW.de Cups or ETCups or whatever else we had over these years. Apart from the Anticheat issue, which I'm still not entirely convinced about nor informed enough to make a case for, there's absolutely nothing you can blame the community for, over having favored ClanBase to ESL.
if you want a bigger market share or even hold it on an acceptable level you have to differentiate towards the competitor. we tried so by investing time and money in new gaming formats (e.g. countrychampionship), services and prizes. even companies liked that and sponsored some hardware for the ESL's ET tournaments (e.g. Storm Assault and Evolution Challenge). we tried to point out the future possibilities regarding ET in the ESL and that a future is only possible with the community.
but the demand did not recover, it became even worse, so the section was closed due to a lack of interest by the community. That is a fact and if you call that blaming the community....i call it the community's free choice. ESL-sided there was no reason closing that section (apart from the interest). And obviously you think so too because you did not answer my question regarding other reasons apart from the community's interest.
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e: or maybe ask MLG :)
GL .. would play some ESL gathers ! :)
he will support et pro public serv excluding clanbase :s
anyway its too late now
admins were helpful to me atleast and its not like i have ever needed admins except for rule clarifications, not in cb or esl. esl admins did the work they were expected to do, and all the retardness came from players anyway
are you going to work or to bed btw?
Anyway you could launch game without any gather, versus and so on. Just launching game throught wire. I have said this few times.
But anyway it does not matter now anymore :)
and yes bans would be controled by ESL wire admins... like it was by tzac admins... and lets cut the crap already CB would never use ESL anticheat. We all know that so i guess they would UAC. We just saw tzac will not lead anywhere with chaplja just getting some money and leaving tzac like it was.
how is that better :>
#exitium.et someday and release Luffy.
nobody of germany plays et anymore, same goes for spain, italy and many more
the only active nations are belgium, netherlands, finnland, sweden :S
eh, not true. There are plenty that are still around and more than willing to play the next NC.
people like kresti stray flop i didnt see for ages, not even playing lol anymore :S
and idk what happend to the mM guys like fendah and ramoz
same with germans and other nations. even with lower NC than last year i'm sure that there would be a lot of interest around this cup.
i see the butthurtness still didnt fade away, no worries, it will be better after a while.
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