ET/RtCW LAN

There are plans to organize an Enemy Territory/Return to Castle Wolfenstein LAN next year.

What would you be willing to pay to attend this LAN? The following is included in the prize:
- Entrance fee;
- Renting cost for computer;
- Renting cost for monitor.



Pc's:
- HP Desktop C2Duo 3 Ghz, 4096 Mb, DVD/Rw, Lan, 250 Gb Harddisk, Usb
- HP keyboard, HP muis en stroomsnoer;
- HPZR22W - 21,5" flatpanel LCD VGA/DVI - max. resolutie 1920 x 1080 ;
- Windows 7 Professional 64 bits NL;

Location:
- Most likely Wzzrd (Netherlands)

Competition:
- Still to be discussed. We don't mind an ET 6on6 & 3on3 & RtCW 6on6 & 3on3 as long as we have the time and sign-ups for it.
Comments
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Good effort
Cant your parents provide food from their restuarant for this LAN?
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Catering sponsered by IceQ's family.

Dog Shun Pow buffet
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Yes & Good effort
So you got your LAN shirt now you just need a LAN to go to? All this so you can wear your shirt :D
Lol, I don't need an ET LAN to show my eSports gaming shirt. This is done for the love of ET.
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(For me)That depends on way more than these 3 points, but for only these criteria voted 25-50.
Like what other criteria?
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Venue and PC specs at first, if I'm paying 50€ to have entry and get a mediocre PC and a monitor that will give me bleeding eyes? Am I getting a nice place to play or do I have to 'armwrestle' with my teammates to decide who has to play with their keyboard on their lap and in someone's basement where at the second day everyone gets a complementary bucket because there is no climate control and the stank and everyone having to wring their shirts due to sweat? :P Location also being a big thing when it comes to travel expenses(tho this doesn't really apply to me but non NL/BE people).

What kind of LAN? Is it a small ET-section at a massive LAN where the real bosses don't give a shit about ET(Hi Antwerp eSports Festival, where we had a greenlight from ET admins to play for 9th/10th(consolation) place but randomly mid game the plugs, literally, got pulled because the PC's were needed for CoD4) or is it a dedicated ET that will clearly be very small(and then the 4th point applies I guess)?

Then comes what competition is there? Am I paying just for the above but I'm not playing for anything? Is there a prizepool/hardware prizes? Most ET players know they are paying for a 'community experience', hanging out and meeting e-friends, but CF is also a competitive community and if there are no prizes there probably won't be (enough)players.

(Personal)Who do I think/know might attend? Since the size of the event is likely very small lots of international people might say 'Nah, not worth the money for me' if it's not appealing enough. Apart from the gMen guys most of my e-friends are not NL/BE, and if I know they won't go I probably won't go myself.

Main things that come to mind, pretty sure there are more 'variables' for international players or other NL/BE guys
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I can't give you a detailed answer, but I can answer some questions:

Pc's:
- HP Desktop C2Duo 3 Ghz, 4096 Mb, DVD/Rw, Lan, 250 Gb Harddisk, Usb
- HP keyboard, HP muis en stroomsnoer;
- HPZR22W - 21,5" flatpanel LCD VGA/DVI - max. resolutie 1920 x 1080 ;
- Windows 7 Professional 64 bits NL;

Location:
- Most likely Wzzrd.

Competition:
- Still to be discussed. We don't mind an ET 6on6 & 3on3 & RtCW 6on6 & 3on3 as long as we have the time and sign-ups for it.
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Well at those PC specs(no graphics card listed firstly) I would already say 'no thanks, I'll bring my own' but then seeing it is most likely at Wzzrd where bring your own was not an option at most/all previous Wzzrd hosted ET lans that would mean I'm either stuck with those PC's and likely a shitty competitive experience or not playing at all.

Format, personally but I know it goes for many others, if there is no 6on6 ET/RtCW I won't be there. I think a 6on6 main event has to be there to even consider hosting it, some might say a 3on3 RtCW event might work because Merl's work online but remember that loads of those online players are not NL/BE and do they think a 3on3 lan is worth paying planetickets/other travel expenses for?
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You are forgetting that there are basically no sponsors left for ET. So we have to pay for all LAN costs through sign-ups. Those PC specs are good enough for a game like ET/RtCW.
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Not forgetting that at all, had plenty of conversations with tech companies or other companies about sponsorships in my management days I know how hard it is :P. It's just not relevant in this conversation.

Won't argue that those specs are enough to play ET/RtCW it's an old game, but if you have a modern PC at home with a 120hz screen that runs the game(and background stuff like voice coms or w/e)super smooth and you have to deal with a C2D and a shitty 60hz monitor I can guarantee you that your playing experience will feel(keyword) horrible and it can easily overshadow your playing experience as a whole when everyone is just complaining about how horrible the pc's are). edit: in which case I'd have no problem bringing my own stuff but if that's no option either for some people it could be reason to not attend as a player
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TosspoT is your answer to the sponsor-question, Im quite sure he could help a lot regarding getting sponsors.
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TosspoT likely can't do shit(no offense to him), but sponsors mostly(though there are exceptions) care about putting their name out there to a lot of people and small events won't create enough attention for them. (I remember some tournaments in the past where we had sponsors for ET and no-one ever received their prizes)
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In which LANs ET-teams didnt get their prizes? Only one I can think of right now if Seanza and apparently he scammed the money so..
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didnt tosspot organise some battle for berlin with razer prizes but noone ever got those? (not sure I might be mixing names/things up, its vaguely in my memory)
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I feel like comparing online-tournaments and LANs isn't exactly wise, but its just me.. and yes, it was the last BfB edition in 2011/12
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It's not the same, just saying that in that case we had a sponsorship thing arranged by a high profile community figure and it turned out in nothing either way :p
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yeah avi to come smash faces
100e np. I'm rich married.
nice effort.. i remember last time some1 made a big post where to rent hotel rooms in the near of WZZRD for example and the map so that people had it easier to lookup where to stay

also would be great if theres no fucking door next to the computers :D
if this is hosted in winter.

dunno if some guys remember about WZZRD center the freaking door opening every minute because people had to go outside to smoke and like 20computers wear next to it and -degreees came inside :D

other than that there was always a problem with the delay on everylan think about some decent timeschedule i remember on alot of lans that my team had to play till 3-4 in the morning and had the next game at 9 in the morning while other teams played till 19cet and had their next match on the next day at like 14cet was quite weird :p

other than that : cu with team PDEG (FiREBALL,huMM3L,FLoPJEHZ,KRESTi,Bl4d3,stray,scatman.(s1lent).tba
:)
Would be nice to meet all ppl from ET for the first time :]
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had that feeling when i was 14 and went to cdc3 :D
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geez i would sell my son just to give you a blowjob :S
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I can be the tba at pdeg, I will just scream scheisse all the time so noone will notice I'm the outsider :3
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its ok man we do a team
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gimme hotel room
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kannst bei uns pennnen easy
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you alive? :OOOOO
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Alive and kicking. Even specced your match yesterday. laughed my ass off when you called them scum :D
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I wouldnt mind paying how much its necessary honestly, maybe paying for 1 or 2 extra guys if needed, all to have good fun :>
Even if i wouldnt be able to make it i wouldnt mind paying and leaving my spot to someone if i can
Start coming to teamspeak for the love of god , so we can plan to go to a lan all together
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50€
no more
Make it in Poland instead
so ross can repair his next car?
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when exactly? i need to learn playing without cheats... it takes time
30-50€ for everything is perfect I guess
Adroits LAN was 25€
Entrance fee for the first Adroits LAN was 60€, not sure about the second one as I didn't participate
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Second one was €50
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I believe it was 50 for early signups and 60 if you paid after a certain deadline
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oh ok didn't realize that :D zeroE paid it
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HODOR is there, np! all 58 members
25/50 is a bad option...shouldnt be in there...its too cheap.... you cant find someone who is willing to rent a monitor + pc for just 25 euros - that would mean less than 10 euros each day (if the lan goes friday-sunday...) and then you still dont have any entrance fee (+money you can add to the prizepool...)

or am i wrong?
You are 100% correct. This poll is only to see how much people would be willing to be. The other thing is that the LAN can't even happen when people only want to pay between 25-50. Need at least 60€ each person (ofc can be way less if people sponsor/more sign ups).

E: we already contacted an organisation for PC/monitor rent.
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HPZR22W - 21,5" flatpanel LCD VGA/DVI - max. resolutie 1920 x 1080 ;

gg im willing to pay that monitor 0.1e max

no 120hz no Swanidius in lans
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and the suomis excuses starts in 3,2,1 gege
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woott will make sure I attend
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no1 would want u there anywayz
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how did Seanza manage to hold adroits lan for 25€ then? oO
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He didn't manage to do it. That's why he kept the prizemoney.
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Yeah and for the first one he lowered the prize pool from what it was supposed to be without informing anyone. Only found out about it at the actual event. Though we actually received the prize money ~4-5 months after the event!
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Ye true, he messed up big time. Remember the second Adroits where he suddenly increased ET's prizepool by big numbers, because people were unhappy about the very small prizepool he had in mind. We should've known then l0l
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wasnt it 300 euros per team?
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team cave attending for RTCW!!
cu there ;)
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you knoww that means one less trip to joe right? >:DDDDDD
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no, joe will come with me ofc!!!
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joe won't last very long ;)
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he's good enough to get a try ;) ;)
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Does wzzrd have any other potential locations in NL to host the LAN? Not that I haven't enjoyed the LANs in Enschede, but would be great to see some other places too. Anyway will most likely participate if there's a 6on6 ET tournament with decent attendance.
SSTAT could attend 3v3 ET. (late, tramp, abbadabba)
Good luck - hopefully it works out, I am not too optimistic :P
Like we say here in the Netherlands: not shooten is always miss
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Louis van Gaal - Thats different cook - (c)
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I've always said I would go if a new LAN will be organized. I'm already excited to meet Timbolina with his famous beetle.
avi, les go.
rofl i already casted a vote for 100e and then i saw the specs LOOOL
Nothing is final yet m8. We can still decide to get better pc specs, but costs will be higher too then. We're doing our best.
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2 team lan. Nice!
60€, voted up to 50
bring own pc wouldnt be possible?

would be there for sure if i can take holiday!!!
no not possible. People travel from other places than netherland
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yes, i am from germany as well...
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I'd pay 51-75 to see my good friends from CF.
hope you cut your hair already :c
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I'd pay for the LAN not to take place.
Sure, €10k.
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nP will get my pro gaming sponsor to cover it
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np, will get parcher to pay to fly me over
Not worth it, more then half the people saying see you there won't show up, and no team could actually manage to make a profit out of this.
I am pretty sure there will be atleast 8 teams for sure. I can already count on 4 teams which would go 100% and then you have some people who just play for fun/mix or just want to go to a lan for the first time. Creating a signup would not hurt anyway^^
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Creating a signup hurts your pocket though, atleast last couple ET lans due to so few signups there were no refunds on entree fee because if people refund they can't pay the venue(if they already booked it).
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Thats what insane been dreaming about, after he get unfairly banned in cg. Cu there bro.
need a team for et and rtcw /q :) :)


promise to get back to med- skill from this low/+ skill for this if this gonna happen for real!1
Hahaha

- cheaters allowed
- shit date
- lolo
Quote-cheaters allowed

Whats wrong with u :DdDDDDDDD
WHY THE FUCK CHEATERS SHOULDNT BE ALLOWED TO PLAY LAN,where they have a chance to prove, they aint cheating. Or do u expect, noone gonna check them, their pc or anything before he'll play?kk
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Quote by Zodiac 2011/12
First of all, cheaters are banned from the cups as a punishment, what kind of punishment it is, if they are allowed to play at lan?
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YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS PUNISHHHHHHHHHH THEM BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD DON'T ALLLOOWWWWW ANYTHINGGGG FROM THEMMMMMMMMMM. I am pretty surprised that insane got banned for cheating in public, busted by pb. I mean since when pb was official anticheat for ET? :P How come a pb entry can be enough to ban someone if avi's are not???? #FREEINSANE


lets make a team for lan??
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Because PBs record of busts since the start of 2014 is actually really big in ETPro scene :)
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"ETPro scene"? :d Why is it so big if pb isnt even used in any league games?
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Just because you only see CF as ETPro scene doesn't mean it is only CF or CG...
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Seems like they are so much related if insane gets banned by pb bust which is not even used on our league called cybergamer. I've never liked the idea that some LEAGUE bans a guy for cheating in public. It's fine if the anticheat bans and stuff but that's not the league's case to ban anyone if the case is not related to their league games :P It's pretty much that CB/CG owns ET and it's players, sounds pretty much like martial law, no messing around at all you know?? :PPP CS Vac bans are awesome, but of course those bans are related for the account information. :>


And whatever you mean with "I see CF as only ETPro scene" thing.. Still insane is not suspended from all the pb public servers so whats the point? Even if you ip banned him from nbs I bet he has dynamic ip and could join anytime he liked and there is nothing you could do. :P Simple. And your reply didn't even give me the answer for my question but I still denied your answer anyway cause that's something what I like to do
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Do you understand there are terms and conditions you got to approve when you sign up for CG(it was at CB atleast if I remember correctly) that you take all the responsibility of activity from your PC/connection and that any potential cheating or a try to cheat will result in a ban for the whole platform? Are you aware there is such a thing? Same as that they ban you from Crossfire.

Publics are not related to CG by anyway, but some PBbans are in certain open database, so either the server have automatic banning system or they simply ban him if they want.

Dynamic IP changes only your port whenever you restart your router and if I remember correctly, only older connections than like 08' still have it (atleast on our server only Polaks and PT guys had it), so that doesn't really change much if we ban some kind of his ip range :)
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No I am not aware, I made my CB account when I was 11 (turning to 12 in 2 months) and I sure as hell wasn't really interested reading such information such a page when I was all in the mood to create account and get into my first clan which played under some cool league and those cool pics up in the left corner. Not even sure if those things were there +10 years ago :d And no i wasn't aware of the dynamic ip thing that its nowadays "old method" :>

And if all this is true why dont we use PB anymore? I'm not experiencing huge lags anymore with it :PPP Would be far more usefull anyway than no anticheat at all or CGAC which is "underconstruction" (Please ohurcool read this one!!)
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I never read that, but it's a common sense that such a thing is in there since CB and CG are "serious" organisations and I guess they wouldn't tolerate cheaters. :P

Because PB as it is isn't updated anti-cheat and doesn't exactly catch all the cheats that are still out there, + we also use method from the s1lent creators with the .pk3 pack that simply blocks some cheats (WNX64 from Adawolfa for example) and doesn't allow you to load it, or connect at all.

Also it probably depends on your PC or luck maybe, but my PB makes ET lag and warpy to me, but I also have kinda old PC..
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Dunno about that. :> I guess they are just able to select what players can play their league and who not, if I remember correctly ESL did not ban if the guy was not busted under their own league game and ESL is far more serious shit than CB/CG will ever be. but thats a big if btw - something there was with a banning system which was different from cb's

Ok, but still i find it better. having old pc in 2014 is a crime btw
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ESL never cared about ET and ET admins were mostly bunch of retards.

I use it only for ET, quakelive, GTA:SA, Mafia, tf2 and full HD movies :D
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2 years, 7 months and 26 days

I dont think you even were here when ESL was around -_-

Anyway, I found their leagues and cups far better and much more organized than CB's, more serious and stuff. #FREEETCG

ESL "never cared about ET" cause noone played their ladder! :) Only cups when those were made. And as we see now ESL is pretty much only a league for pros and i don't think they would allow any other than the 1st div teams to play there, qualifications every season start ofc etc :>
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QuoteDynamic IP changes only your port whenever you restart your router and if I remember correctly, only older connections than like 08' still have it (atleast on our server only Polaks and PT guys had it), so that doesn't really change much if we ban some kind of his ip range :)


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QuoteSeems like they are so much related if insane gets banned by pb bust which is not even used on our league called cybergamer. I've never liked the idea that some LEAGUE bans a guy for cheating in public. It's fine if the anticheat bans and stuff but that's not the league's case to ban anyone if the case is not related to their league games

As long as pb is a legit anticheat, there are no reasons to not ban people caught by pb. Dont forget, it couldnt be aln official ac since its hardly outdated. Pb aint supporting et anymore, since admins decided to remove it from cb in 2009 cause it wasnt as good as they did expect. Also how do u want to get cheaters banned? How do u expect someone getting banned in cg? Cgac :DDdD?
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Well.. You just pretty much said my point, better than cgac, ET and this CF/CG is far away from "pro scene" anyway so why not to use pb even if its not supporting ET.. #BringBackPB

Not here to bring a real discussion, it's more likely to show how "broken" this system is atm :) and a good bye LAN for ET is not bad thing anyway!
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Quote- Entrance fee;


first i was like "free?!?!?!"

but then...
bu thten i was like:

oh i'm Poland i no moneyz have :(
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Europe craze rebuilt for lan incoming
nterror avi for 6v6
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