I suggested PHP because it's easy and simple, and you can make lots of cool things with it, and you don't have to worry about memory allocation, typecasting, blah blah blah. I find it an excellent learning language, and i also find it very usable for other things aswell ;)
Yes, it's a high level language, but that doesn't mean it's good. And yes, you can make cool things with it, but that doesn't mean you can't make better programs easier using another programming language.
And so ? the PHP is meant to be used together with a web tech (and even more) why would it sucks ?
And YES it's a great langage to begin, it's my first 'dynamique' langage (i won't count the javascript) and it gave me a lot of tricks which i use with many other langs such as the C++, DELPHI (less but still) and even irl (woohoo).
If your three main languages are Delphi, C++, and PHP, then it's no surprise you think PHP is good. But your ignorance doesn't mean you are right. :) Try Ruby, it can be used to make applications as well as web pages, and is good for just about anything that doesn't require much speed.
int main(){
int numgoogle;
cerr << "How many times do i have to tell you to use google? ";
cin >> numgoogle;
for(int i = 0; i <= numgoogle; i++){
cerr << " GOOGLE IT FFS!\n";
}
}
Have you written a program more advanced than Hello World in Java? Have you written a complicated program in C++? I suspect you would have quite a different opinion if you had... They both have their strengths.
I'm actually programming a pretty complicated software that requieres a good knownledge of the langage but as i said im not THAT experienced, i'd say that ima beginner in this lang but i'hv MANY books relative to the JAVA, i'hv already wrote a few small applications using this lang and I DO NOT LIKE IT.
I'm not gonna arg with someone calling a world's known & respected langage 'sucky'.
You preference is your own, but the majority of people who like PHP simply like it because they are ignorant to the better alternatives. Just because a language is widely used doesn't mean it's good... Far from it.
well the c-series is idd very good. But thats again a java vs c discussion which ends nowehere :)
There are enough pros and contras for both sides.
You cant say java is better or c is better. When it comes to java or portability its java you take. If you want 3D games you'd better take c# or c++ / c
True, true. C and C++ are quite good programming languages for certain things, yet my original point was that one of Java's pros was being a decent learning language. You don't have to worry about things like memory management and still have a good object oriented language with practical capabilities.
Java is not only good as a starting language, and advanced java is also _Not That Easy_ :p
sure the garbage collector handles all the memory shit you create, but isnt to aim for each better soft to just not use the garbage collector and handle all that stuff yourself?
I don't disagree with anything you said (although I haven't tried C# yet), and I don't see how what you said contradicts what I said. :) Java is a good learning language as well as a good language for some other purposes as well. I'm not saying it's easy, but it's easy enough (in it's simplest form) for a beginner to grasp. C and C++ are good for programs which require high performance, fast reaction times, etc. where dealing with all the low level stuff is beneficial.
Also, to clear something up, while I believe Java is a better language for beginners than C++ or PHP, it is not the best. Ruby, for one, is better.
actually the first c# games are planned. they even tried c# in quakewars. The thing is: its just not yet that portable to other next gen consoles. I bet you find some code parts of c# in the crytec engine.
I'd give a try to the C#, sounds sweet but (will sounds kiddy) i'm not a fan of the 'not free' (dunno the exact word) langages (even if i never coded anything on another OS than windows)
Why do you think Java gets called a language for the lazy? Well, you just pointed it out. Write once, run everywhere. Both usability and performance suffer greatly from this.
General: C++
Web: C#
Scripts: Ruby
Try PHP.. Very easy to get very cool results very fast.
Then if you like it, you can try to move over to more lowlevel languages.
And YES it's a great langage to begin, it's my first 'dynamique' langage (i won't count the javascript) and it gave me a lot of tricks which i use with many other langs such as the C++, DELPHI (less but still) and even irl (woohoo).
Actually means "in reality".
I meant 'Currently'.
oO
#include <iostream>
using namespace std;
int main(){
int numgoogle;
cerr << "How many times do i have to tell you to use google? ";
cin >> numgoogle;
for(int i = 0; i <= numgoogle; i++){
cerr << " GOOGLE IT FFS!\n";
}
}
i go do my homeworks..bit late i know ^^
good night gayz and guyz
So im a newbie yet :P
But i'll be a hack coder soon!!! :P
expensive but nice
i'd say C++ > C due to the object's implentation but i'm still a nob ..
there is billions of pages about evry langs on teh webz, personnaly i use MSDN for the functions' descriptions
(even if many coders laugh about it, the DELPHI is still a powerfull and easy to learn lang)
java may not be as fast and "low level" like c and c++ BUT yet it is a very powerfull language (that i hate to code since im doing this like 24/7)
(im not jobless)
would prefere to see someone start coding in DELHPI than in JAVA even if the last one is more powerfull than the other one
btw i though you was programming in C# ?
for uni / work im doin everything in java since we need everything to run on lin and win without having to code 2 diffrent clients :)
I'm not gonna arg with someone calling a world's known & respected langage 'sucky'.
There are enough pros and contras for both sides.
You cant say java is better or c is better. When it comes to java or portability its java you take. If you want 3D games you'd better take c# or c++ / c
Java is not only good as a starting language, and advanced java is also _Not That Easy_ :p
sure the garbage collector handles all the memory shit you create, but isnt to aim for each better soft to just not use the garbage collector and handle all that stuff yourself?
Same with my current project: http://myhannes.info/stuff/university/uni-project.PNG
you can get into cache trashing very fast, but the aim is it to avoid that.
what i was going to say: Java is very strong in maybe office or Desktop programs, while c / c++ is very strong in system and 3D stuff.
With c# we got one language that combines BOTH of it and even has the java syntax. The big plus in c# is that it is portable to unix platforms.
Also, to clear something up, while I believe Java is a better language for beginners than C++ or PHP, it is not the best. Ruby, for one, is better.
java can be fast also. We made tests on that with some intense basic calculations and it wasnt that much slower. (i forgot the factor)
well sry, i was a bit like gnaa another guy who wants to tell me that java is only good for beginners. Was nothing personal, just sick of it :)
Yet still, C has the potential to be quite a lot faster than Java when that is most important, especially with inline assembly.
OFC: "call by value" vs "call by reference"
and its by far better (easier) to read
and i think you just have to like it.
When it comes to 3D stuff you wont get anywhere with java, BUT for that we got c#!
/me is waiting for the first pure c# games \o/
And yes as i said many times, i dont like that JAVA. (EOD ?)
still nice to discuss with you hannes :)
yap always nice to chat with you :)
ok native and emulate does bite each other but i think you know what i mean.
http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page its open source
Why? I can code benchmarks that''ll show C# outperforming C by several times, but that doesn't make it the faster language...
-SHUTDOWN
http://www.codeproject.com/
http://www.codeguru.com/
hf