pretty much true yea... they teach you the same things 3 year in delay compared to any other country, example: highschool math is same math that people learn in 7th class in russia. <== fucked up
i dont want to sound stupid or arrogant, but im pretty sure finland cheated in that test or so. compared to as example switzerland, finland got less hours per week than we do, you got bigger classes, and you go with the same pupils to school for 9 years, which is worse than if you would seperate them earlier since you can teach the more intelligent more etc etc.. this together leads me to the conclusion that either finnish people are the supermen on earth, or you cheated
I do :P Since ppl with same age with me did that test and result was pretty poor back then, and now these new ~15 year old dudes made it pretty good. So dunno wtf happened, better teachers or something. =D Yeah, my english is bad, but its have always been bad so its np4me.
here we are at the northern arrogance!
i think its pretty easy to cheat in such a test. the students get picked by the country itself, pretty easy choice there if you wanna end up good huh. i remember in my school 4 ppl got picked. 3 of 4 were the worst students of their classes, 1 was average =)
no, that has nothing to do with that. randomly picked, thats what should be.
"compared to as example switzerland, finland got less hours per week than we do, you got bigger classes, and you go with the same pupils to school for 9 years, which is worse than if you would seperate them earlier since you can teach the more intelligent more etc etc.."
well like I said, they have high standards, they provide invidualized teaching for those who cant keep up with the rest of the class if such would happen so the class can go with faster pace, more advanced. I dont know the exact reason, maybe the teachers are generally good, the students are generally motivated to learn or atleast to go to school even though they might say "school sucks" etc... or we are just smarter!
but this "having small classes and more courses per week?" and fin did good at the tests is kinda weird =D But, quess they are fast ppl to learn new things =) Cant really say, huh.
thats pretty stupid imo :o
What about different levels of education? and what about the difference in education between schools? If none of this was taken into consideration, i would say that the test doesnt bear any importance :D
Maybe we don't have the smartest guys out there, but Finnish average level is kinda good. And most south koreans that I have talked with over the internetz are kinda stupid :D
Here's what was stated in OECD's report:
[quote='What is PISA?]• The test is typically administered to between 4 500 and 10 000 students in each country.[/quote]
It's fairly difficult to cheat in a test involving thousands of students: the four shitty students picked from your school don't have much of an impact on the average score of your country.
Of course it's possible to handpick the top people from every school for the test, but with the amount of people participating, there will be huge differences between the skills of the participants either way.
Suomi oli paras luonnontieteis, matikas toinen ja sama äidinkieles.
lopputuloksis Suomi oli toinen. Japsit vai kinukit voitti. (kaikkien aineiden keskiarvossa siis)
mutta kyl suomi on hyvin pärjänny nois kansainvälisis testeis aina
i think its pretty easy to cheat in such a test. the students get picked by the country itself, pretty easy choice there if you wanna end up good huh. i remember in my school 4 ppl got picked. 3 of 4 were the worst students of their classes, 1 was average =)
"compared to as example switzerland, finland got less hours per week than we do, you got bigger classes, and you go with the same pupils to school for 9 years, which is worse than if you would seperate them earlier since you can teach the more intelligent more etc etc.."
what makes the difference?
What about different levels of education? and what about the difference in education between schools? If none of this was taken into consideration, i would say that the test doesnt bear any importance :D
[quote='What is PISA?]• The test is typically administered to between 4 500 and 10 000 students in each country.[/quote]
It's fairly difficult to cheat in a test involving thousands of students: the four shitty students picked from your school don't have much of an impact on the average score of your country.
Of course it's possible to handpick the top people from every school for the test, but with the amount of people participating, there will be huge differences between the skills of the participants either way.
Simply put: seems so.
:)
But, sleep->
nn !