LCD Monitor

Im thinking about buying a new Monitor.
I know LCDs are crappy for gaming but i still have my CRT so np4me.
My budget is around 300€ . Any suggestions ?
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20" or bigger would be good

btw fuzz = faggot

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yes, you can buy LCD!
thanks man i owe you. it was a difficult choice !
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yes, you owe me. i like LCD, its a monitor.
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lcd isn't shit for gaming, ppl who say that live in the stoneage
these days they are just as good as crt, maybe even better (color and sharpness-wise)
Well ive played the first time with one @ the cdc3 and it felt kinda "laggy" cant it explain it but it was definitely not the same imo
But anyways if you know so much about it SUGGEST ONE !111
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And imo they fucking rocked even thought I guess there are even better lcds out there.
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I had that to once on a "older" 19 inch it was like having 30 fps. Now i got an 19inch wide from LG and the problem is solved think it was the response time
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LG FLATRON L1750SQ fits for me :)
17" way too small
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not for me :)
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I have 15.4" widescreen


np4me
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get rl and save 300€
samsung 940BF, working fucking nice for me
same @ me : D
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n1ce irc skin
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its difficult to get a 226bw with a S panel now.
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all panels performance is the same, only default colour configuration differs, which you can reconfigure later
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I read about some other panel have the RTA-chip (Response Time Accelerator) going on max like all the time, so the screen get much ghosting n stuff like that ;/. Dont remmember what panel that was.

But anyway 226bw is a nice screen.
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dunno about modern CRTs but i had old LG CRT and 3 years ago i changed to LCD (LG too). Its like from hell to heaven.
I love LCD because of those colours and I feel nice when playing ET on it. So I wouldnt hesitate and buy one if i were you :)

edit: i got L1732s
what more, LCD is way better than CRT for everything else like watching movies, browsing websites, coding, etc etc, ergonomic, nature friendly and stuff :)
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CRT
Pros:

* Multisync Capable
* High Refresh Rates
* Color Clarity and Depth
* Support extremely high resolutions

Cons:

* Very Heavy and Large
* Use Large Amounts of Energy
* Generate Excess Heat

LCD

Pros:

* Smaller and Lighter
* Energy Efficient
* Causes Less Eye Fatigue

Cons:

* Blurry Images Outside Native Resolution
* Motion Blur on Fast Moving Images
* Come Models Have Reduced Color Clar
* Slow refresh rate and only support low resolutions
that blur is kinda nice tbh :)
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he wrote two years ago...
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nothing has changed.
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yes it has :S
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"lcd isn't shit for gaming, ppl who say that live in the stoneage
these days they are just as good as crt, maybe even better (color and sharpness-wise)"

that's just a bunch of bullshit.
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`tbh I'm not into a discussion now, but lcd's are already @ 2ms too (that's the lowest btw, anything below that = actually 12ms, dno why), colors are actually better these days than crt's, only the crt's reso goes higher (even though on a bit more expensive monitors that doesn't apply anymore)
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like the response time means everything? you should actually read about CRT's refresh rates and LCD's refresh rates. and like u mentioned, u can actually get good resolutions with CRT's.
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refresh time = refresh time
and u can get good res with lcd too, in case u wondered :/
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eh... no? seems u have no clue.

and btw, look at his budget, do you really think u can get a monitor with good resolution with that budget?
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widescreen... u gotta be kidding with me?
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nope, widescreen pwnz for nearly every application next to gaming.
mb check what he actually wrote in his journal:
QuoteI know LCDs are crappy for gaming but i still have my CRT so np4me.

and btw, it's also good for gaming actually, tbh it's the new gen
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"lcd isn't shit for gaming, ppl who say that live in the stoneage
these days they are just as good as crt, maybe even better (color and sharpness-wise)"
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"lcd isn't shit for gaming, ppl who say that live in the stoneage
these days they are just as good as crt, maybe even better (color and sharpness-wise)"

rly, your last braincell died 10 minutes ago or smth? suddenly lost the capability of reading?
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you're the one who cant realise when one is fighting for the lost cause. you say lcd is good for gaming, what the fuck does colors have to do with that? go fucking read about lcd and crt refresh rate differences before you reply back, thanks.
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tbh I can at least read, you obviously lost that capability, and I rly don't wanna know what caused you to lose it :/
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shame you cant handle the info you receive by reading then. such a waste to read anything in your case.
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tbh till now you haven't given me one single reasonable argument to make me believe u :D
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it might help if you actually know anything about the stuff you argue about. have I not told you to read the difference between lcd and tft refresh rates? have I not mentioned anything about resolutions? have I not said that response time means nothing? arguing with you is so senseless.
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have I not mentioned that I know more about hardware than you'll ever know in your entire fucking life (even if you would study it)

no I actually haven't, but I'm mentioning now, counts as mentioned then right? ;)
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and that made 0 sense, whats ur point?
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that you, sir, have aids!
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oh I so feel like banning you for being such a retard, shame I dont do bans like that.
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tbh at the beginning of the conversation I already said I wasn't in the mood for discussion, and you just kept coming, and then I can't su (it's in meh BLOODZOR!). But now I was bored so I said this to make this conversation stop. Btw, u were talking about the hz prolly, this 1 goes to 75 hz, so np4gamers :D
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ok ill take different approach. do u think 75hz with CRT is good for gaming?
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always used to play @ 72hz @ my crt
btw, I wanna bet I rape 70% of all ET players with the LCD I currently play on. Seriously, this LCD/CRT bullcrap is nothing more than bullcrap. I connected my CRT(72 hz), my LCD(75 hz) and my oldtimer TV (50hz) to my pc and played ET, the only differences I noticed were: sharper, better colored, and clearer image at my LCD, my tv sucking (cud never play @ 50hz in my life ^^), but I rly didn't notice a difference btween my CRT and LCD
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72 :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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i have on my table best gaming LCD with 2ms(ZOMG), and old 17" CRT, guess which feels better in games?

after month of playing ET with LCD, i connected this old CRT and tried to play, and oh my god how smooth it was, and seeing them both run clone mode makes me feel sad about everyone who says that LCD=CRT in gaming

if you want to get best performance CRT is a must (we are on gaming website if that matters, not on serious business MS Office site)

and yes, i use LCD for everything else exept games
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tbh that's ghosting, and if that's so obviously in your lcd, then you certanly haven't got the "best gaming" lcd ^^
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:/ :| :\ :- :/ :| :\ :-
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i am quite sure i have best gaming monitor, unless in past 2 months something radically changed in technology (i bought it with gaming in mind for fuck sake)

it has lowest ghosting from all avi LCD monitors around, i am afraid even to think about how it looks on slower ones, like that piece of shit you are suggesting (acer, omg)
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that piece of shit pwnz :D
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fuzz is right - don't forget that 99% of widescreen tfts are 60hz only = jerky

playing any game with sharp textures (even et @ picmip 0) looks so fucking shit :X it's like 90fps to 30fps vegas motion blur in some older fragmovies :X

It just fucking makes me mad that i've decided to buy 226bw and resigned from buing iiyama master pro 513 (geek name tbh) just because it's 3 times lighter/takes up less space :X
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the one I linked goes up to 75 hz, fast enough for good gaming afaik
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ofc it can reach 75 hz (every wide lcd can) but not in native resolution :) i could bet it can't work @ 75hz@1680x1050
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hmm, can't seem to find that anywhere, wether the 75hz = native or not :/
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it's usually like "refresh rate up to 75hz!*"





































*only @ non panoramic resolutions
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Spree you are so stupid at i cant even imagine. You say at lcd's could perform better than crts? Oh my days that wont most likely even be possible when samsung gets their shitty 100hz / 120hz lcd technology 'cause crt & lcd hz's doesnt work exactly same with lcd screens needs hz to buffer with vidcard and if u need lot of tech info USE GOOGLE or spam overdrive (evirdevil)
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n1 engrisj mr sjerlok!
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nice argue skills w/e if my english lacks still my knowledge about this thing is better
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sjerlock goes rambomode!
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Remember that arguing about hz is absolutely fucking irrelevant when it comes to LCDs.

I admit, my CRT was 'faster' than my LCD (it's a 22" 2ms g2g, was rather expensive when I bought it like a year ago :P), but after a few weeks I was used to it, and even prefer it. It's much clearer for one, which in games like ET/Q3 might not be important, it fucking OWNED for playing CoD2 in. It was soooo much easier to hit hs in CoD2 on my LCD than my CRT.
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LCD is clearer than CRT, that's what I've found.

Yes, CRT is probably faster, but it's almost negligible now that 2ms g2g are available everywhere. For Q3/ET yes, CRT was probably much better for me, but I so much prefer CoD2 on an WS LCD.... for one you can see more than everyone else (big advantage in CoD), and it's much clearer asfar as individual pixels are concerned, which means easier to get longrange headshots.
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I agree with you but cod2 aint real aim & tracking there you dont "need" so much crt like screen and yes 'cause seccitaj uses wide screen lcd everybody should use it he claims it helps dunnoh pixel scan shizzle no1 knows
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exactly, i have the same view, but now-a-days, unless its cpl final, i think playing quake/et on lcd is now perfectly fine in general, when it comes down to a game worth $$$ then i will still always go with crt for my head
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yeah, its more clear, atleast compared to my 10 year old 17" compaq default monitor that I used to have before switching to 19" 12ms TFT. it was bit hard to get used to in the start as the monitor felt so laggy.

LCD has it's good sides but CRT is definitely better for gaming.
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CRT is the better choice for gaming but in some games like wc3(original or dota) when refresh rate doesn't mather then CRT wins with its extremely high res. but if u only gonna browse and watch movies lcd are better(sharper). but if u gonna use ur computer for gaming or serious movie making(or other media working like 3D) CRT's are better there cuz they have much more reliable colours.
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samsung 2032mw (5ms 1080p HDTV with tuner)
samsung 2032bw (2ms)

i own 2032mw, i play warsow with it and its 5ms, also cod2, et, quake at other times.. and im very good, so therefore, its good enough... k?! also it has tv included and u can use blu-ray/hd ofcourse and xbox360/ps3 etcetc... whats more its cheaper than other hdtv's from samsung because its officially classed as a monitor, not a tv.. so not many general users buy it for general use :) but it can be used as that... atleast thats what samsung told me on the phone


in other words its everything u need in one, samsung pebble range ftw :)
Quoteand im very good

hmmmmmmmm

slm mama btw!
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Thats true nVc you are good in games and your aim is wicked with lg & rail. But i remember mztik & sock saying in crossfire one thing which is true lcds are pure SHIT but you get use to it when you just play enough and about full hd support my CRT can handle 75hz @ 1920x1080 okish but not nice as lcd full hd.
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yea i agree, i still prefer CRT so much for the specification, and i have less excuses when playing bad sometimes, but when it comes down to it, most lans are now non-byoc and often using LCD... transfering to an LCD is often the hardest whereas going back to a CRT is rather straight forward

some lans try to use crts, and if you goto a BYOC... its more than likely that you wont take your LCD but instead take a CRT.

so, maybe using a LCD at home isnt so bad since where it matters, if you want to lan, you will be prepared for tft's/lcd's - i dont know, i have yet to lan ^^

all i know is i much prefer playing for fun with my lcd as the picture is so much nicer, when i play games that "matter", i would possibly prefer my CRT so i feel more comfortable in my head, but thats about it
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Preference question :p I just like more this smoooothness and I have pretty damn good CRT so sharp & quality wise its goood ill stick with this CRT as long as it dies and then I get most likely new one or maby lcd younever know
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well I just bought CRT as im getting sick of this TFT. sure it looks cooler and takes less space, but I'll sacrifice it for the perfomance boost that CRT gives compared to TFT.
gtfo mr i pwn only without ettv !
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lawl that picture is of Rod off the movie hot rod :D
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