New PC - Halps?

by im a tree • 24 Feb 2008, 23:10 • Journals
Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R iP35 Socket 775 8 channel audio ATX Motherboard
£70.50
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/136365

Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 2.66GHz 1333FSB Socket 775 4MB Cache Retail Boxed Processor
£118.73
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/130484

Corsair 2GB Kit (2x1GB) DDR2 800MHz/PC2-6400 XMS2 Memory Non-ECC Unbuffered CL4(4-4-4-12) E.P.P. Heat Spreader Lifetime Warranty
£52.84
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/111439

Arctic Cooling AC-FRZ-7P Freezer 7 Pro Socket 775 Processor Cooler
£15.14
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/105994

Total: £257.21

Need opinions. My PC is practically DEAD right now, and my processor is making a helluva racket. So I need to order parts within the next few days.

This was the build I was going for.


Suggestions for motherboard, for alternate components?


And also, I think I need a new PSU (this one is 450w but I think I've had it 4/5 years...), so any suggestions for cheap reliable PSU's?


(edit: I also have no idea when it comes to temperatures/oc'ing intel chips, how much could I pull from this setup?)
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Ri bo 24 Feb 2008, 23:12
Looks good.
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alexL 24 Feb 2008, 23:15
get better motherboard and cpu imo
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im a tree 24 Feb 2008, 23:19
I should have added that money is going to be an issue here.

I don't need it super-powerful, outside of watching 1080p, playing Q3, doing basic video/encoding work and achieve a nice 125fps in games similar to CoD4's standard, then it's good enough.
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alexL 24 Feb 2008, 23:25
ye it is, but if u go for a little better motherboard, like GA P35 or x38 DQ6 with 45nm support. You can upgrade your pc laterssss =p with the new quad cpu from intel.
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im a tree 24 Feb 2008, 23:25
see there's my dilemma, I don't understand why I would WANT to upgrade my PC :(

edit: and I am getting a GA-P35 o.O Now I'm confused
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alexL 24 Feb 2008, 23:27
to play the newer games that are comming that will support quad cpu, and for highest settings u will need a quad :D
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im a tree 25 Feb 2008, 00:11
but all the new games coming are shit

look at UT3, CoD4

The only one that I am even thinking of playing is Guild Wars 2, and that would run fine on my proposed rig :(
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alexL 25 Feb 2008, 00:24
MAFIA 2 <3, Allan Wake, Assasin Creed, etc,etc :D
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im a tree 25 Feb 2008, 00:27
Don't think I'm interested in any of them :<

I've already played Repetition Creed and it was nowhere near as fun as the Prince of Persia games.
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mnk 25 Feb 2008, 01:26
how can u say that when u can kill peasants and punch beggers for no reason.
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pala 25 Feb 2008, 16:24
GW2???????????
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im a tree 26 Feb 2008, 14:49
GW2 has the chance to be fucking AWESOME.

GW itself was ruined after the first expansion, but if they learn from their mistakes they can make GW2 a really good competitive game.
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pala 26 Feb 2008, 14:59
its exactly what i always say :P the expansions killed GW but the game is fucking awesome, even a mod for the old GW will be huge succese, but no they going to make new mods, i definatly sure if they learn from thier mistakes they will be fucking rich...

btw prince of persia was also amazing game...wish there was a 4th one
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im a tree 26 Feb 2008, 15:10
It wasn't till I got to r7 that I got "good" at the game, started running my own builds/teams all the time and getting a few friends sorted. In game leading in that game is so much harder/rewarding than in ET.

the amount of times I typed; r9 uax lfg - pref monk


<3'd that game
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pala 26 Feb 2008, 16:21
xD i usually play pve alot after the hardmode intrudoction, i still play gw :o
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peoples 25 Feb 2008, 07:24
quad is useless for you, but what GPU are you going to get/have now?
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alexL 24 Feb 2008, 23:29
i got p35 dq6, and E6750 cpu
thinking to buy a new quad, in april when intel is going to make the price even cheaper on the quad cpus
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OVER9000BPM 24 Feb 2008, 23:23
no halps avi atm
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loctarar 24 Feb 2008, 23:26
Get an 8xxx series processor. Much better and cooler.
+ I'm not sure if you'll enjoy those fancy ram modules very much.

The processor FSB is 1333 and the modules run at 800MHZ. From my knowledge the proc won't work synchronus with the ram. Dig further cause i don't know this for sure.
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Deactivated5924 24 Feb 2008, 23:31
how is that memory fancy?

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The processor FSB is 1333 and the modules run at 800MHZ. From my knowledge the proc won't work synchronus with the ram. Dig further cause i don't know this for sure. "

wrong, doesn't work like that. also running in sync doesn't make that much of a diffrence with new intel systems

the processor fsb is actually 333 (intel uses the term quadpumped so it's called 1333), the memory is 400. (this is also doubled to get the ddr2 frequency)
if he overclocks his proc fsb to 400 (you get the mhz with the cpu multiplier, depending on the cpu he buys it will be 400x8 = 3,2ghz etc), it will run 1:1 with his memory, but it really doesnt make much of a diffrence

feel like such a geek knowing all this stuff :D
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loctarar 25 Feb 2008, 00:12
Well... i just bought a new system and i got 667Mhz modules instead of 800Mhz. Shit happens. I hope it wont matter so much.
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peoples 25 Feb 2008, 07:23
That particular memkit is fancy due the fact it costs around 20£ too much compared to as good 2x 1GB kits. That's fancy, or stupid. I would go for 2x, 2GB but that isn't in the budget it seems.
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Yossarian 25 Feb 2008, 02:00
fancy is 1000mhz modules, not these standart 800mhz ones

you can get 2gb kits of 800mhz ones for ~20peons money, fancy my butt!
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Deactivated5924 24 Feb 2008, 23:30
The motherboard is good.
If you don't need RAID (onboard sucks anyway), get the DS3L
E6750 is a bad buy at this point, get E8200 or E8400
For PSU get a 620-550W chieftec, or a 500W-600W fortron. They're the best for the money they cost.
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dejx 24 Feb 2008, 23:32
pick E8400 instead of E6750, ram should be OK! I would take ASUS if we are accurate (Asus P5K-E) . Cheap and reliable PSU. As far as i know there is only LC with cheap PSUs on marketplace but i wouldn't take it. Try to get more money for some Enermax Infinity

P5K-E/WIFI-AP
CORE 2 DUO E8400, 3.000 GHz 6MB, 1333MHz
DDR2 Crucial PC6400 800 2GB kit (1GBx2) 4-4-4-12 , Ballistix Tracer 240-pin DIMM
Scythe INFINITY SCINF-1000 MUGEN
ENERMAX INFINITI 650W, ATX12V v2.2
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im a tree 25 Feb 2008, 00:10
I don't think I need 650W... I don't plan to do SLI or anything... seems like overkill?

E8400 is too much, so I think I'll settle for an E8200
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dejx 25 Feb 2008, 00:19
my bad, 500W should be enough and yeah 8200 is still a great option
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peoples 25 Feb 2008, 07:21
Corsair HX520 + E8200, save on the memory.

Indeed SLi and 600W are overkill, if you don't use both :)
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im a tree 25 Feb 2008, 10:58
so what's this about ram saving?

I always trusted corsair XMS, I know it's good shit :<

What should I go for instead then?
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peoples 25 Feb 2008, 11:21
Good, but overpriced currently. It is not wise to pay premium for things you will have no use for. Mushkin, A-Data, GeiL, cheaper Corsair are all good.

Latency isn't all that important, not a deciding factor. For Corsair XMS, you pay premium for the name, promised lowerlatency and so called "matching".

http://www.houseofhelp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57334
If you are into overclocking, I mean hardcore like, you like to know what memorychips you have. I guess you aren't since else you would now you need them :)
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peoples 25 Feb 2008, 11:26
Is there a pricecomparison site in uk for computerparts? I would like to see more stores. GeiL, Crucial(ballistix), OCZ have been in the ~30£ range. Ballistix(2x 1GB) are a good choice for that price. Example from Finland: http://hintaseuranta.fi/tuote.aspx/40419

Although, I wouldn't get 2x 1GB anymore, 2x 2GB atleast. Again, most gamers don't wan't Vista 64-bit, so that kinda makes the benefit of having 2x 2GB smaller. So, 2x 1GB is good choice for any 32-bit OS.
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im a tree 25 Feb 2008, 11:30
It IS possible to get 4GB ram showing in a 32bit OS, it's a myth that you can't :P

and no, I'm not into hardcore overclocking

so thanks for the help here =oD

any recommended starting points? I only messed with AMD, never done intel.
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peoples 25 Feb 2008, 11:46
It is possible to get 4GB to show in 32-bit OS, but not single one program can address over 2GB of memory in 32-bit enviroment. And the other hardware limits overall memory available for everything still to the ~3.2GB - so it's more of a cosmetic advantage. Motherboards have the possibility to enable it in BIOS, usually named something like "Memory Remap Feature".

Good summary on the memory issue:
http://www.dansdata.com/askdan00015.htm

Overclocking isn't that hard nowdays with modern mobos and BIOS's that basically are very straightforward. You adjust the multipliers and FSB which together form the effective frequency.

Like here, 8x <- multiplier | FSB -> 400MHz is 8 x 400 = 3200MHz.
Really small example, but gives you the idea. Then you adjust the voltages for memory, chipset and CPU to obtoin optimal balance between stability and heatproduction. More voltages, more heat. Usually when you overclock, you need more voltages, but just how much depends is unique to everypart(chipset, memory, CPU). Memory usually has voltagerange printed on the manual / the RAM itself. For DDR2 it might look like this "allowed voltages 1.8V - 2.2V"

There are loads of good guides on the internet. Also, as you have messed with AMD, it just follows the same basic principles, not a witchcraft :)
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peoples 25 Feb 2008, 07:22
Asus P5K has had some powerrelated issues, i.e it draws more current that it should.
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duumed 24 Feb 2008, 23:33
PSU: antec neo he / seasonic s12
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peoples 25 Feb 2008, 07:20
Time has blown past those two. I have S12, it is good, but I don't think they sell it anymore, also, it isn't modular.

Seasonic M12+, Corsair HX/VX series are the kings now.
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peoples 24 Feb 2008, 23:50
Said numerous times already, but E8400 instead of that.
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im a tree 25 Feb 2008, 00:08
E8400 too much

I think I can afford an E8200 though

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-191-IN&groupid=701&catid=6&subcat=793
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bestebeste 25 Feb 2008, 00:28
buy it. it's still better than the e6750
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peoples 25 Feb 2008, 07:15
Corsair HX/VX-series PSU - these are built by Seasonic, so any new Seasonic PSU would do, as in M12+

Intel E8200

Abit IP-35 (Pro) - some problems with PQI memory

CHEAPER MEMORY! - don't waste your money here. 30£ is enough for 2x 1GB kit, take some known brand, GeiL is good. You don't need "overclock" memory, most of these will go beyond what your mobo can take for FSB. Use this money on somewhere else, as in the PSU or mobo. PSU you will use in your next build I'd imagine, so think about it like that. Budget go VX, else go HX
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frozz. 25 Feb 2008, 00:13
Take E8200, maybe ballistix for RAM, but then u should take some abit/asus mbo based on p35 chipset..about the PSU, buy good psu, not a cheap one because it's important for pc work overall. And stop talking about W only, it doesn't matter, because brand matters...Corsair 450W is best buy, get it if u can.

I would even take P31-DS3L mbo, its around 70€ and it's quite good, i have it and i dont have any regrets at all, E2140 works @3ghz on def. voltage
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peoples 25 Feb 2008, 07:19
Ballistix are okey, but if there are cheaper available that are of some brand, I wouldn't hesitate on saving a bit here. As I explained, most mobo's run out before memory(FSB).

I agree on the PSU part, just like you described. PSU should be seen as investments for future builds too, it is one of those parts you will recycle on new builds too. So, even VX is good, if budget allows, I'd take HX just to be on the safeside for future. Corsair PSUs are built by Seasonic, anything from them would be good too, as in M12+ series. Modularity is great to have, I don't have it, but at least it is silent PSU(on my Seasonic S12 500W).
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Deactivated5924 25 Feb 2008, 10:39
why would you buy a p31 chipset mobo when you can get a much better p35 chipset mobo, i dunno

no one here is looking @ W only, people are suggesting quality PSU's like seasonic, chieftec, fortron, etc so don't worry.
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frozz. 25 Feb 2008, 15:44
because if someone doesn't have a lot money to invest in new pc, it's
quite cheap and reliable investment...it's good mbo even for Overclock and is not that far from P35-DS3X mbos. I'm not saying it's the best mbo out there, but for some cheap combination it's nice
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EaZy 25 Feb 2008, 00:52
Abit IP-35, Dark Raider, iP35 Express, S 775, PCI-E (x16), DDR2 533/667/800, SATA II, SATA RAID, ATX
£73.07 Inc VAT
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=605524

Intel Core 2 Duo E6750, S775, 2.66 GHz, 1333MHz FSB, Conroe Core, 4MB Cache, Retail
£121.95 Inc VAT
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=632054

2GB (2x1GB) Corsair TwinX XMS2, DDR2 PC2-6400 (800), 240 Pins, Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 4-4-4-12, DHX
£40.70 Inc VAT
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=585723

Akasa AK-965 x3 Copper Heatpipe Cooler Intel Core2Quad/Duo with 92mm side blow fan, Intel push pin
£10.86 Inc VAT
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=608228

620W Coolermaster Real Power M620 Modular PSU SLi, PCI-E, SATA, 80%+ Eff' ATX 12V V2.3 EPS 12V V2.91
£69.90 Inc VAT
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=631247

These are the parts i used which isnt bad if your on a budget like me :D, similar specs to what you posted.
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peoples 25 Feb 2008, 07:11
faults:
- over-expensive memory
- no E8200/E8400
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EaZy 25 Feb 2008, 22:11
I dont think the E8200/E8400 was available when i built it and the processor only cost £60.00 two months old off a mate who upgraded to quad. I made a mistake with the memory and posted what meez was looking at and not what i bought, No doubt you are gonna say i paid too much because it was slightly more expensive :D.
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Yossarian 25 Feb 2008, 01:48
i bought 2 weeks ago (to play qw obviously)

abit ip35-E - 54ls
e8400 - 119ls
2gb corsair pc6400c4 domipwnator (44412) ram kit (crap as only old revisions have good chips on em)- 34ls
scythe infinity (mugen LOL) - 28ls

1ls=1 your peon money

default cpu is 333x9=3ghz, after setting ram to default value i get 400x9=3.6ghz n1ce overclock out of the box, soon will try how much mhz i can get out of that rams

awesome and cheap, especially mobo.
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dejx 25 Feb 2008, 14:16
when you will do that please let me know the result cuz hopefully i am going to buy same parts but i am stil curious about ram
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pala 25 Feb 2008, 06:29
id pick quad core...not too far quad will rule duo
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peoples 25 Feb 2008, 07:15
Yeah, by that time there are better quadcores to be had for cheaper. Today, dualcore is best for _gaming_ If you do some heavystuff that needs processing power, like rendering, then go quad. Else stick with dualcore.
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klejf 25 Feb 2008, 08:28
didnt u forget a gfx card there?
XD
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im a tree 25 Feb 2008, 10:51
Already have a 7950GT

Which is better than what most people on crossfire have (most have an 8600)
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klejf 25 Feb 2008, 11:10
actually 8800GTS or GT > all, but this is kinda fine :D
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PimpDaddy 25 Feb 2008, 09:37
the most important fact !!! Ibought headsets and I paid 7 quid for extra delivey (next day) but i has never arrived.So i went really far away to pick them before they would send them back.It might not be
ebuyers fault,but city link's ,cause they do delivery.
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Slasheh 25 Feb 2008, 10:50
the e6850 is pretty sexy :)
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S1xtuS 25 Feb 2008, 12:48
e8400 is better + cheaper
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frozz. 25 Feb 2008, 15:39
2exppensive and it's not worth that money anymore, but it's a good cpu idd
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