Fitna by Geert Wilders
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28 Mar 2008, 00:03
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Lets see what all the
fuzz is about
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Lets see what all the
fuzz is about fuzz is about
Also i'd like to remind you that christianity wasn't very diffrent during the middle ages. (hey hey crusades). Tho i do agree, that most islamic ppl tend to overreact and take things too personal (which imo is also a result of the extremist propaganda, it's the same brainwashing technics hitler used, charm and providing hope in a grim situation, blaming the west for their economic failure etc).
I agree not all of them are like it but look at the book they worship and some of the shit it says in it,
at the end of the day if it came down to it all Muslim's will stick by eachother.
It's just about how it's explained.
On a side not, i already regret taking part in this discussion because i know it's going to be endless. I will hereby refrain from any further replying on this subject.
Maybe the islam is a bit more radical but don't say the bible never preached violence.
the koran literaly preaches ppl to do all these horrible things
But let me point out another thing, both these religions are very much alike, they both stem from judeism (Jezus is a profet in islam religion).
So in principle they're pretty much the same, they've only been twisted by men during ages and ages so to be used for personal gain, and manipulation. That's why i don't believe in these books as they are written by men and used for personal gain.
All I'm seeing here is uneducated bla bla.
Has anyone read about the gallup poll? 50.000 muslims from 35 nations were interviewed. Many from the 7% that classed themselves as "radical" actually admire the west for democracy and freedom, they just don't want it imposed on them. These are the same people that are described as better educated, having better jobs, etc. So, why do they dislike the West/US? Imperialism.
The West keeps demanding and imposes their morality on muslims, yet when muslims do it's them being evil, them not liking our democracy, them not liking our freedoms and so on (or should I say them trying to kill it).
Actio est reactio. Ever heard?
These are not the 30s. We've been there. Every year politicians/people mourn about what has happened back then. Yet no one actually learns.
Seems like the 30s are right around the corner again. The US already have their own "KZ", but it's called Guantanamo this time.
Do I need to remind you that it was about 700 years ago.
Islam is in need of Liberalism, Democracy and Socialism. People died for those values in Europe, it was a process that took ages, first overthrowing the Ancien Regime, later one seperating State and Relgion, in modern times Equality for all. Unlike Asian cultures, Arabic and African Islam do not endorse any of these values.
If this movie shows anything it is the long way Islam has ahead of itself, to become a mature religion with respect towards other religions and equality for all. At this point in time, Islam even denies it has a problem, which would be the first step to solving it.
biology + crazy imam = biological warfare
With current technology its become easier and easier to terrorize. Especially in societies which value their liberty. If you can organize an attack the scale of 9/11 it shouldn't be that hard to make some virus.
But we should all take examples of budhists, the dalai lama is one of the most tolerant ppl ever. And these ppl have been protesting WITHOUT violence for years in tibet where they're still occupied by the chinese who've done terrible things to them.
Note: unexpected little flame in this journal :O
Can u imagine going to Iran and trying to preach Christianity you would be killed straight away , They think there superior to us and we should all bow down.
fuck em brainwashed cunts
fuck em brainwashed cunts
Agree
Biggest problem is tho, the ones that agree on sharia law etc are mostly lower class citizens or illegals, these ppl are mostly uneducated. (there are more nazi's under lower class ppl aswel, same goes for gangmembers etc.) It's lack of education, and growing up isolated in neighboorhoods that are somewhat ghetto (that don't let them be exposed to many other influences) that lead to extremism.
But i agree these numbers are quite shocking, and these ppl should never get the chance to realize their idea's (especially not in a country that's not theirs).
Just take a look at Jews in Iran. What? Jews in Iran?
Yes, it's a minority (25.000) and they could move elsewhere (read: Israel), but they don't. They even have synagogues. Why? After the islamic revolution Jews were recognised as a religious minority and protected. They even have one member in the parliament.
"The West keeps demanding and imposes their morality on muslims"
thats bollox and you no it, the muslims are 300 years behind everyone else in there way of thinking. They still go buy a book that insists to kill the nonbelievers.
There way of life is horrible killing women for being raped, amputation for stealing , hanging or beaheading in some country's.
And its not like its just focused at us there blowing each other up in Iraq.
If the extremist's had there ways they would have us all killed and the earth would return to a place hundreds of years ago.
i cba now :D
I didn't even say that muslim countries are not behind*. I said christians still have Middle Age mentality (read Carl Sagan's "The Demon-Haunted World").
I wanted to point out that most of the crap that's happening nowadays (e.g. terroristic attacks) is down to imperialism, lots of hypocrisy and the exploitation of religion. It's not as simple as saying "forbid the Koran and all of our problems will be gone". That'd be naive and would most likely make things even worse.
*Turkey is like a two-edged sword: on the one hand secularism (something only the French achieved in Europe), on the other forced marriages, etc.
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about iraq, etc.: how would you feel if someone invaded your country? what if they tell you they can throw super accurate bombs from several kilometers up in the sky, but still bomb marriages and then say "oh, we thought they were terrorists"? etc.
Person A hates Muslims
Person B doenst
flame flame flame
Peace.
People tend to be very radical on the Internet, to both directions.
Like we already seen happening in Iraq as a retalliaton to the assault on the Twin Towers.
My point being is that war is inevitable, how unfortunate that may sound :<
But (and this is pretty much fact) Chaos leads to dictatorship which leads to some form of fearfull order which leads to uprising -> democracy, leads to conflicting interests and opinions -> war -> chaos -> go circle
in which case you should be tortured for several hours before being thrown from a building
you mean :)
Was an incident in Antwerp, where Muslim kids had to go to koran school on sunday, where they got hit with a stick for doing bad stuff. Teachers at school saw the bruises and the Islam teacher got arrested.
Wilders is an idiot for some reasons, but i totally have to agree that muslims dont belong in holland and i suppose in other european countries, they are welcome, but the only thing they do here is piss me of because of their religion we have to ajust n stuff, fuck em all rly, stupid
Well, i am almost everytime i see one and im not just a racist or smth, they act like they are superiour to "us" but dont even know what "vervolgopleiding" is.
they r just badboys and thats it, you r scared of them, thats why i say dont cry like a baby and be a man..
just laugh at those turks and if you ever have a problem with them screaming in the back of the tram, just go up to them and knock their lights out and throw em out.. just learn some kung fu
that's an argument ^^
2nd: muslims get more children (prolly has something to do with anticonception) so in a few years their will be more muslims than "normal" ppl. --> they will force us to get muslim and hit our wife.
i dont want that, now is the time to do something about it, wilders is just a brave man to say what he thinks and what a lot of ppl here think.
to make it clear: i dont like the way wilders is acting but on a lot of things i have to agree with him.
and imo most muslim r too ugly to be of competition for my girls.. but hey if they are, i accept them as competition fair is fair let them give a chance :) but i am hotter :D
and relax nobody will make you do things you dont want
what i just said might be a litte overdone but i rly think somebody has to say: HEY get a job or get the fuck out!
yes wilders is a dick and yes its a laughable piece of film
yes it's narrowminded and yes everything shown in the movie is old news...
but the fact that its old news doesnt make it untrue.. and the fact that all of the things mentioned in this movie are true is absolutely sickening especially considering we are living in the 21st century. it's fucking disgraceful that people can be as stupid as those muslim extemists.
i agree with ronner though, the dutch government once more made itself look like an absolute joke by hyping this movie of zero importance the way they did.