USSR flag topic
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10 Apr 2008, 20:54
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I know that 
sol will be angry and prolly delete this topic and ban me, but still...
How comes that in a GAMING site is going to be added mass murder, raper and marauder flag? Isn't this kinda spit in the face for most of the estonian, latvian, lithuanian, ukrainian and lots of other country players?
I've asked to our "beloved" sol - why not to add in that case also nazi germany flag (as both of regimes brought a lot of suffering for Europe) on what he answered NO IT WONT BE ADDED. I've asked if this is a cruel joke (to add USSR flag) and he replayed that NO THIS IS NOT JOKE.
How comes? Is CrossFire going in some way to be political gaming site? Or is it just that sol is a fanboy of USSR totalitarism regime?
sol will be angry and prolly delete this topic and ban me, but still...How comes that in a GAMING site is going to be added mass murder, raper and marauder flag? Isn't this kinda spit in the face for most of the estonian, latvian, lithuanian, ukrainian and lots of other country players?
I've asked to our "beloved"
sol - why not to add in that case also nazi germany flag (as both of regimes brought a lot of suffering for Europe) on what he answered NO IT WONT BE ADDED. I've asked if this is a cruel joke (to add USSR flag) and he replayed that NO THIS IS NOT JOKE.How comes? Is CrossFire going in some way to be political gaming site? Or is it just that
sol is a fanboy of USSR totalitarism regime?
just 2 words
gtfo retard
read and learn something, before spam bullshit.
from your own fuckin link you stupid cunt. It was a republic, ya know like the REPUBLIC of Ireland? The USSR flag represented the countries together. Latvia is a shit whole anyway half your fuckin country is over here in Ireland, your lowest of the low along with Romanians.
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conversation closed.
You've born one year before communism regime end. How can you know more than me or any other anti-communist / anti-nazi I must ask?
You are actually the guy, who adds polictical correctness to this site.
And I'm sorry for you, if you compare the soviet union and the nazi Germany, because of both caused much sorrow and were dictatorships.
+ please give me a link where it is written that Russians were doing experiments on kids/women and let them die in gas chambers, would be nice to know.
Just wait for the film. Your GULAGS have so many secrets on what your kind of people seems to be so quiet like nothing there ever happened ;)
ok converstaion closed again, now you're plain of shit.
And the funny thing is that only russians keep telling around that everything against communism and it's terror is total lies. Interesting, eh? :)
3 words - greatest support ever.
Even though you haven't seen the movie yet, you are already stating it's true. Well done!
Read "People in the film" section and see who are "talking bad about communism". Are they also "russian haters"?
WoW! 8DD
Too bad for you, but I can easly understand latvian. 8(
Besides, what was your point?
Paardesmit = >10 <100
vismaz = not less
and that was about the judging the movie before i've seen it. It saw way educated people than me and guess who were the only who disagreed with movie? Or they are even worse than me on judging history?
paardesmit ~20
AWESOME SUPPORT!
EDIT: you posted your opinion before this absolutely-independant-report @ visulatvijai.
P.S. Does it change anything, if someone "agrees" with the movie or not? No.
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CCCP <3 was born there ^^ was cool
Second off nazi germany could do his evil deeds only from 35-45, 10 years, but russia tortured and killed culture for about 60 years, supporting other nations against human rights such as cuba, china, lots of african states, north korea etc.
the long term effect of USSR is ALOT more devastating than the nazi germany, ofc thats because germany lost the war, but apparently ussr "won" the war and fucked up alot more thanks to that. there are no "if"'s in history. the communism ideology was a huge fail right from the start, civil war, killing etc doesnt help to build the utipia lenin wanted.
i hope you have heard of labour camps and stuff like that? the molotov ribbentrop pact? all the eastern block totalitar regimes? and the worst of all, standing against freedom of any kind? RUSSIA CAN HAS IT. russia still is like that to be honest. so the effect continues. and crossfire should have this flag, right?
as for the flag, i just see it as the symbol of the establishent who killed culture as well as people of my country 45 years.
the good thing is not many people are using the flag, and about those who are using, i dont want to know what is going on in their heads
EDIT: they had the plan of "world revolution" tho
You have to deal with other people, since the majority doesn't feel bad about flag, but you do. It's impossible to satisfy every person out there. For example if I don't feel good about "anti-christ" flag or "weed" flag, should they ban it as well? No, cause the majority doesn't care, they don't feel bad or good about, but some people might be offended. If you really feel bad about it, you just need to ignore it, nobody forces you to wear it. I agree democracy isn't the ideal system, but it's the best system applicable in given society yet.
I was born in USSR and I had a wonderful life. We were "rich" but when USSR fall we just had to move to finland.
In USSR Stalin had lots of influence on people by fear. That works on russians coz if nobody controls them they go wild :D
When people see nazis flag on street or somewhere else first what comes to there minds horror... or something. When they see USSR, hmm they just think "lol" or something.
But if will be serious, its not a good idea to have USSR flag at this website...gaming website is a bad place fot politics. And that flag can insult some peoples feelings, especialy those whose relatives where executed/send to syberia...btw soviet symbolic is forbidden in some countrys.
You're talking about someone's age and judge/attack him on that, where is the maturity in that.
No offense but that doesn't make sense.
There are a lot of 50 years old that are influenced by media as well, has nothing to do with age, but personality and character.
Maybe in your opinion all 16 year olds are formed by the media but then I'll have to say that you haven't seen enough of them yet because having a certain age doesn't decide what you are/think/do.
I don't seem to have shit in my head and I still think your statement about the age of persons doesn't make sense, perhaps you are talking with 'denigrating' words to make up for what you can not explain otherwise.
Name me at least one thing I have said that isn't a fact.
"Kid gets info from media and some other influenced information sources. His opinion is formed on this base."
It is true younger people are easier to influence, but you speak against yourself since Andre (don't want to talk for him too much) is such an exception imo.
You're being ignorant by labeling people without knowing anything about them, and that is actually my whole point since from the start you came up with 'ye 16 old kid knows a lot more than all others, congrats man.'
made me really think like that, as it's common argument by people I have mentioned already.
Now that you are saying you think he is like the majority it's different then putting it as a fact, aights.
"pisses off"
"demagogy"
We're done I believe.
You can twist words all you want, and be 'right' in your world, just like I am in mine, I could have thought that from the start but some people are open to mistakes, other just stick with their own and don't want to hear different.
Doesn't matter since it shows character (the positive way) and being stubborn can be quite good so I don't mean that offensive.
I'm not too narrowminded to let others be what they are and see things from two perspectives.
So you are telling me that my reply doesn't make sense? I will spend 10 minutes of my life to analyze my comment deeper, so you could stop your senseless comments, as it's your main argument.
As I have told you, the point is quite clear here. Everyone who commented on this topic had normal view of things and agreed that ussr flag isn't offensive, at least it's not offensive for the biggest part of people. Considering guy's age and comment:
we can see that this guy implies on everyone having lack of knowledge, presuming he has more and sees clear reason for removing the flag. First of all this is quite offensive to judge everyone's intelligence, knowledge, even before knowing the facts as you said. So my comment is quite justified, don't forget I'm not directly attacking him, and my statement applies only to him, not to whole community like in his first comment. Besides age factor isn't the thing you should be ashamed of or get offended by. But it really matters. The intelligence is "expanding" over age, so we can say that in most cases the experience, thinking, pattern-thinking, the factor of influence, personality stability, opinion stability etc, etc are proportionally dependant on age. It's a fact, however there are better definitions.
Huh, can it be more clear? Lost sense of irony? Well, if you really didn't get it, then here you are. There is quite a lot of sense in these two words, besides you are the first person who should have understood it. First of all I implied on you "echoing" to him, however you have no actual knowledge to support any of mentioned theories/pseudo-facts. But you still decided to write some awful stuff never considering the topic, or just believing what your 16.y.o. online buddy told you over the internet. Congrats man! The most reliable source of information. Well, if you aren't familiar with the topic then just don't comment on it? Of course now you will try to convince me you are mostly informed about it etc, etc. I hope you are not that type of people, you know what I'm talking about. Let's return to the topic. So secondly I just congratulated you with having such a mature and intelligent buddy. I hope now my words are clear.
I thought it won't get to this. But well luckily I just replied only with 1 sentence in the first place. I hope your blind stubbornness won't eat you alive.
Well, it kinda does, doesn't it? If you are really so dull, then I don't know what can help you, but believe me, arguing with me won't fix it.
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if it's like that, you have very bad argueing skills, cause you are just failing at it.
as for the topic, i was talking about wether ussr respected or didnt respect human rights. thats a pretty obvious topic
as for the propaganda of spreading hatred, the hatred is kind of justified also, ofc its being used as a tool controlling the naive core of the people, but thats that, if naive people arent controlled, who knows what will happen.
i myself am too lazy to consume media and i have gathered up my understanding of the totalitar governments different books or conspects, mainly in the toilet. like the history between the world wars especially, so thats kind of my entertainment, thats why i like talking about it.
about the popularizing, it happens, and people who go with it, acting as historians, thats "lol" stuff, pathetic to watch
and finally, about the politicians, the system is corrupt as hell, dont even want to hear about it
'People with lack of knowledge' doesn't say all of them, he is 'lolling' the people that lack knowledge as he says.
A long story around a simple thing with some unrelated stuff doesn't change anything, you're getting of the subject.
And that was the fact that you pointed out that he was 16, and sarcasticly used this to prove like 'yea he's just hyped by the media'.
Age matters, you used it the wrong way, that's all I wanted you to see.
But I failed, we're not going anywhere.
Oh and it's true I wanted to support Andr3, I know shit about history, no need to lie about that.
But I don't act like I know a lot of it either, don't run my mouth, it's that I know that Andr3 is well educated, not influenced by media at all, history freak.
Therefore I back him up cause I don't doubt his truth.
You could say, then don't get involved if you don't know shit, true maybe I shouldn't, but I only talked about your wrong sentence which I do actually have knowledge of.
I could define each word I use too, and explain a million things around them, but it won't get us anywhere.
Believe me or not, but the sources of information, where he got his knowledge are influenced as well. History is a big lie, unless you have seen it with your eyes. It's like a broken phone, where everyone retells it in his favour, that's why it's full of inevitable ambiguities. I don't believe in history, as I don't like this subject, since every side, can have something to say in it's favour. It's chaos.
The age is everything. It matters especially how deeply you analyse yourself(if you actually do it), what you do, why you think so etc, etc Everything comes from self-realization, but it develops as you get older.
If you are 16.y.o you are completely independant. No. Even I am at some degree influenced in some way. Even if you are amazingly educated, it doesn't mean you aren't influenced. You will be unless you are inside the society. It's unavoidable. But believe me the degree of being influenced is dependant on age. And it's not me who figured this out. It's actually understandable. But I won't go in details, you can always open some great works in psychology, where it's described.
But yes I agree it's endless discussion, but you must admit that my reply had sense, you just ignored it, you took it as personal attack.
as for the self-realization. humans arent as simple as that, the more ages you have, the more experience. people "consume" different experience differently. thats a fact.
and as for the replies, every single reply wwallie gave, had sense.
generally, this is just a simple clash of life philosophies, which ,yeah, usually culminates with endless discussions
The word "self-realization" I meant in deeper sense. Not just developing yourself in some ways, but also being aware of what you are.
Regarding the history, it's always closer to uncertainty principle than to reflection of actual events. If I'm reading some about some history topics, I'm always doing it with a big doubt, considering that something somewhere can be exaggerated or oppositely deemphasized or just skipped or in some extreme situations made up. It's slightly paranoid approach, but well, that's life.
I didn't ignore anything, I'm trying to point out that you judged (I typed judge/attack if you look back) Andre directly by his age in first case, so that you used the whole sentence wrong, perhaps you meant different but I felt like responding to that.
I am pretty well aware of psychology and selfrealization and I love this, it is not that I don't know about being influenced at younger age, as I said imo you just used it wrong..