Intelligent design
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7 May 2008, 19:26
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Journals
These days im writing a synopsis in school about this subject. So the reason why im writing this journal is to just hear about what other people think about Intelligent design. Is it just religious propaganda or does ID have a point?
Is Darwin's theory wrong and why?
Is Darwin's theory wrong and why?
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Mr. don't ever discuss a subject with you since you always win the battle! (mztik case) :D
okay so basically this is what we learned in school ( germany ). I think you know the main things on which this ID is based on.
So here's my opinion:
First of all I respect that everybody may have his/her own opinion, no matter on what topic. The question is if Charles Darwin or this ID is right or, more important to me, should be taught in school. If you personally believe in god and in the bible, you may do so as long as you don't harm anyone it's okay. Now changing from the personal part to the thing that everybody HAS to do: going to school. In germany there's a sepperation between the state ( schools etc. ) and religion. Therefore Darwin's theory is teached in biology instead of the Creationtheory ( The one written in the bible, since I don't know if it's got a unique name :X ). If you now try to bring in your religion into biology which is mainly based on science - even though the Darwin theory can't be proven but is considered to be true - you will mix the state and religion. Mixing those two things would take you back to the middleage and would discriminate other religions like the buddhism for example. So in my opinion this would be totally stupid to actually teach ID instead of Darwin's evolution-theory.
Another important factor is that this religious thinking just damages the lives of some kids. Because of their parents being totally religious, they don't allow their childen to go to school. Those kids will suffer in their later life since they won't have a proper education and will most likely be unemployed.
Conclusion:
If you want your kid to learn ID you should send it to private schools since public schools are made for everybody and not everybody is religious and believes in god or not in the christian one. Also I think ID is only becoming - or is - popular because of the bad teaching on the Darwin theory. If we would improve it, make it more clear for people to understand and to follow, I think this ID-hype would fall down or even vanish.
Basically this is MY PERSONAL opinion. Feel free to reply to me if you want to argue about it :D
If you find any typos or anything like that feel free to pm me also :D
you have your animal -> there are some random changes based on their genes -> either the new appearance or abilites are superior to the old ones or not is decided then -> causing the superior new abilitys to multiply while the other ones are just being wiped out
It's actually to our benefit to treat it like a scientific theory; under the cold, hard light of an objective eye, the moist lies of evangelism dry out, crumble and bring the whole theory down with them. It's utterly trivial to disprove the theory on scientific grounds, and even more mind numbingly easy to see that darwins theory is superior.
Of course, the problem with creationists is that they want to have their cake and sacrifice it to their God at the same time: they want their theory to be considered science, without being subjected to any of the rigour.
Now calling it "science" allows them to teach it in public schools.
I,myself, am saying that it is NO science just an overedited creationtheory. This has nothing to do whether it actually being one or not. I just stated my opinion since you can't argue with it. It is the most talked about subject in the world and all times, so I won't be the one to come up with a solution
The argument about creationists being scientists is not the most widely argued subject in the world, it is whether or not God exists, but we weren't arguing about that in this conversation.
the science comes from taking evidence from the world and using it to back up your theory
Okay so if I say god is true and he exists and I take the bible as evidence then this is no theorie but science? Or if I say bearmanpig lives and I have a footprint that is surprisingly big, this makes it actually science? Sorry I just simply can't agree with you there. It may be science by definition but to me it's just plane talking about a theory that lacks some serious proofs
NOW FUCKING DROP IT
There is no proof of either the existence of God or the non-existence of God, so seriously, shut the FUCK UP. Your argument about evolution is just you reciting some unrelated bullshit you picked up in school.
Creationists easily avoid your argument, by saying that the theory of evolution is correct, but it is part of God's plan for us to evolve into humans. THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION CAN HELP THE THEORY OF INTELLIGENT DESIGN. So stop fucking using it to disprove design.
Come to your own fucking conclusion instead of reciting what school tells you.
Botj theories are proven that they are right in a greater or lesser extent.
As something else you said that mixing state and religion would bring us back to the middle ages but why? There are a lot of countries which are mainly runned by following their religion. I know there are some problems but they will always be there.
For example take Germany.
If you mix state + religion it would be christianity. So making christianity part of the state and allowing it to judge, we would discriminate other religions. Also you wouldn't be allowed to remarry or to get a divorce. Just think about it. I don't know if you are into god or something but I just honestly don't care if there is somebody watching while there is a total lack of prove that he even exists. Now assuming that I had to learn it against my own will just because you mix state and religion , wouldn't this be against my human rights? So mixing state and religion automatically fucks up your human rights and therefore I think it would be a bad idea
In the koran it says that you need to respect other religions! Its prolly like that in almost every religion. Wouldn't you say that one of the meanings with life is to find a place where you fit in?
I know from my own experience that going into a church feels a bit awkward but if i need to do it, so i can live in a christian country i would do it.
I know than i can "connect" better with muslims but having a christian friend is as good as a muslim to be honest, and actully its better sometimes.
The question about remarry or to get a divorce is a very hard question. I don't really know what we can do about this. Im personally not that glad of divorces since it against feels kinda awkawrd. But i think that christianity, islam, & the jewish community would automatically accept it since its part of the modern world.
Not to sound mean or dumb but human rights is something thats so fucked up that i won't even discuss that. Sorry.
Problem is the Christianity is a Monotheism which means you only believe in one god and only in this one and there are no other gods than the one GOD.
I know from my own experience that going into a church feels a bit awkward but if i need to do it, so i can live in a christian country i would do it.
Onces again your opinion. Would this make it better? You HAVE TO go to church to live in a country? Sorry I would never do this since I wanna have my own free will and if I feel like going to church I do so but nobody will ever force me to.
I know than i can "connect" better with muslims but having a christian friend is as good as a muslim to be honest, and actully its better sometimes.
Actually I don't care about the religions my friends have or if they even have one. So this point is the same for me =)
The question about remarry or to get a divorce is a very hard question. I don't really know what we can do about this. Im personally not that glad of divorces since it against feels kinda awkawrd. But i think that christianity, islam, & the jewish community would automatically accept it since its part of the modern world.
NOT. Sadly the katholic church doesn't tolerate divorces except in special things. The pope has to divorce you and you have to pay a lot of money or something like that. All I know is that it's extremly hard,difficult and expensive to get a divorce in the katholic system.
Not to sound mean or dumb but human rights is something thats so fucked up that i won't even discuss that. Sorry.
Sadly true =(
I sense that you prolly will disagree with me and i would love to continue with this conversation but i really need to make this synopsis! :D
Thanks a lot!
Well to shorten it up i think that every religion will automaticlly fit in just as everything else in this world.
this is just narrowminded since there will always be someone who thinks he's superior. Just watch the Iraq war and those terrorist ( not the american one this time : P ) that just suicide because of a holy war against america and for allah? how can such a religion fit in? =(
nP if I actually helped you ^-^ but I feel like this didn't help you at all xD
BUT, BUT BUT! if i was in war and i knew i would die in the upcoming week then im 100 % sure that i would do everything what it takes to destory as much of my enemy as possible. Sorry to say it but that includes a sucideattack.
the problem is that those suicidebombers just don't kill theirselves or the soldiers but also innocent people. Also they aren't so often used in wars but in populated citys to kill as much innocent people as possible =(
The main target of bombing isn't killing innocent people but soldiers or talibans in that case. While suicidebombers just aim for innocent people.
After all war isn't nice or fair and of course innocent people will suffer =(
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there is no proof for Darwin's theorie (this was failed many times)
Of course you can't prove since you don't live long enough to see how the animals today will look like in ten thousand years. But you can see the things I posted before and therefore I personally believe that the Darwin-theory is way more likely to be true than some talking and guessing about a higher being.
there ar just much historical and science facts
Darwin theory is based on:
Changeability: that the world can change
Same background: that every animal once had the same ancestors
slow evolution: that evolution proceeds slowly not extremly fast
natural selection: those with better and more fitting abilitys than others will survive and multiply while others will die :o
is that all what u know about this theorie?
like i said there ar much facts which belong together, thats why its not a small theme.
Darwin's theorie is wrong coz of many points
Personally, biology doesn't really interest me, so I can't tell you anything about Darwin's theory you couldn't learn from 5 minutes of web browsing - But suffice to say, if it hasn't suffered a major collapse by now, it probably never will.
Stupid bacteria. God always liked them better.
XDDDD
Darwin is not a successful dismissal of the existence of God or ID.
Burn in hell you dirty pagan!
Besides that, Creationism/ID is not scientific. It doesn't predict, you can't test anything nor can you reproduce your observations. And it barely explains anything. I won't even call it pseudo-science. It's religion.