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In Soviet Russia, story tells you!

fucking retards communists

The Soviet Union had really much to do with communism.....

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marxism = communism?

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Please tell me the matching points of marxism and Stalin's dictatorship.

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dont know any

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That's why it's shit to mistake communism with the Soviet Union. :P

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Soviet Russia = Communist Russia :)

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The aim was communism. It was a socialist state.

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Communism is based on socialism. Marx theory is a socialistic theory.

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Marx's theory says you need to reach real socialism as the pre-stage for communism. The Soviet Union didn't even reach the level of socialism neither went the of Marx described way to get socialism.

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Because that level can't be reached =)

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That's a different topic, but mistaking Soviet Union with communism is pretty stupid and annoying.

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It isn't. Soviet Russia was as close to communism as it can get in this world. The only reason communists are saying it wasn't communism is because they are too affraid to face the truth.

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Woah. That doesn't make any sense!
In one sentence you say it wasn't communism and in the next it was, but communist are too afraid to admit.

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The "It isn't." is a denial of King East saying it is stupid and annoying.

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"Soviet Russia was as close to communism as it can get in this world."
as close to as it can get = it was not

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That's ant-fucking (don't know the english saying).

True, it wasn't 100% communism. But America isn't 100% capitalism and still everyone calls it capitalistic. I don't see why we should make an exception for Soviet Russia.

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I understand your point.

But the biggest mistake is to judge the doubtless bad sites of the Soviet Union as a logical consequence of an aimed socialism/communism. It was just the consequence of a paranoid dictator and of a dictatorship by itself, which needs to keep the power.

To clear it out, I'm no communist, but I don't agree that Cuba, the Soviet Union or whatever is the logical consequence of an aimed communism. But I won't try to describe why.

Because my English is just too limited to explain my mind (especially the special words) and because I'm no communist, so I don't have the motivation to 'waste' so much time.

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And that's where we disagree, it seems. I do believe it was a consequence. An indirect consequence, but one none-the-less.

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sorry , but communism in russia stopped after the revolution in november 1917

marx says revolution is needed for
1) factory = property state
2) state = people

according to marx after revolution there was no such thing as leaderschip

lenin, stalin were ruling alone , and their stops communistic russia

it is very easy to say that this is communism, because it is the only way we have seen it in the world ( all other were influenced by russia) but it is bullshit

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who's max?

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:D

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No, communism didn't stop after 1917, only the theory.

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k you define communism for me

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Read a book.

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retard

i have read enough books about it, just curious to know how you see communism, because you see it wrong

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nice knowing idd

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Once again, don't start with that bullshit that Lenin and Stalin weren't communists.

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Lenin's way of communism was already very different to the theroy. Please tell me what the regime of Stalin has to do with communism.

Just because I call my party "Paradise" and myself a paradiser doesn't it mean that a country govern by me is the paradise. If you know what I mean...

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They BASED their ideas on Communism, they saw it would fail without adjustments and now every communist is saying they weren't communists. Chickens...

There were a couple of countries that tried out communism and all had to heavily adjust the theory cos it simply IS a theory and can't exist in the real world.

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They purported it would be their aim, nothing else. Lenin's 'way' was already far away from the "communistic" way and hadn't more than 7 years to develop, followed by a Stalin dictatorship, which was so far away from communism/socialism like Malta from the football eurocup.

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Keep lying to yourself boy, but please don't lie to me.
Be a man and try to face the truth for once.

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That's not really an argument, it's just a assumption by you. Well, but I also would need to explain why your assumption is wrong, but read above. And I wouldn't have any problems to face it as I'm no communist.

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Why defend something you don't believe in?

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I just hate those prejudices, seeing user writing "Fuck communists!", who don't even know what they are talking about.

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Fuck communists.

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Great example! ;)

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reading your comments makes me think that you dont know shit. You cant only read history from books man.

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What to say.....if you want to insult or blame me, then with arguments please and not with stupid statements.

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Oooh... ad hominem! Got anything of value to add?

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ee? english now

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"... argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim."

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Cottbus-Complex.

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We'll see.

Lol pathetic movies... If the nazis / communist would have won then im sure we would have movies such as the crimes of capitalism. The winners make history.

Yes, history is written by winners, but you just can´t say those things didn´t happen or they doesn´t matter anything.

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I prefer stoping the todays drams, rather than cry on the old ones. People in Iraq die for nothing. The IMF put so many countries in debt for a few hunderd years. The corporations start controling the world. These are dramas that I care about.

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To understand presence, you must know your history.

What´s the point making same mistakes again and again and again...

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Who teached you to talk in absolute terms concerning a certain ideology? Every system has it's flaws. Some are bigger some are smaller and in my opinion they shouldn't be exagerated on either side of the barricade.

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I am talking about this subject in general. Not mentioned to focus on some exact, my bed if it looked like it.

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Aw... np :P

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My point was that nothing should be pushed away nor hidden. True that winner shapes the future, but luckily in nowadays we have quite intependet and international media. Enough about this, bed calls.

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"People in Iraq die for nothing."

How do plan to fix that?

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There are elections this year or next yea in USA...

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Yeah and what is the new president supposed to do to finally "fix" the current situation in Iraq?

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The first step is to retreat because USA army doesn't belong in there. They are muslim. They had a certain style of life. Just like the fremens in Dune. To survive hard conditions you need strict laws. You can't go there pretending to bring democracy to the people.

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If the USA withdraws too soon, civil war will start. And them being muslim is irrelevant.

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Religion (almost = traditions) has a huge impact over the people lifestyle. In that dessertic area strict laws make difference between life and death.
They can't retreat all the troups in one night. It takes time and USA will make sure that the oil stays to them. That means a lot. Maybe there will be some fights... but I have the feeling that the usa army is the black sheep in Iraq. They don't like to be ruled by strangers. I'm also sure that you wouldn't like another country to come in Belgium and put someone president.

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If it would mean that Flanders and Wallony will get separated, be my guest =)
But we don't have anything of value here, so I doubt it.

And don't be ridiculous with your strict laws in dessertic areas. There are a lot of big cities in Iraq which wouldn't be so different from W-Europe cities if it wasn't for the Islam that has so much power. Religion kills.

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Religion is a much more complex phenomenon and has been used for ages to control people... lets say... not so smart people. What would happen there if every person would like to have this and that? Are you sure that the climate can sustain a wealthy life for every citizen? With the traditions of their religion the iraqi people learned not to want much because theyll get much more in heaven (7 virgins... o yeeaa).

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There's not a country in the world with only wealthy citizens anyway, so that's not something you should trouble yourself with.

And I'm not talking about forbidding the Islam. I don't give a damn if they believe they get 7 virgins in heaven. What I care about is that Islam shouldn't be the boss in any country. Women should be able to dress as they want, gays shouldn't be tortured and killed simply because they are gays and women shouldn't be stoned for trivial stuff.

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And who's meant to instate these strict laws? Another Saddam Hussein? The Shiites will thank you.

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Does it matter?

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So you want to replace dying in Iraq with (hopefully) an end with dying in Iraq without an end. Stop fucking around with your pseudo-morality.

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Dude stop flaming around and ffs STOP saying sustaining that we are the saviours of humanity... It's lame. Let the people govern themself and let them not get their ass in debt and let them live as they want to. Who do you think you are to know whats best for those people?

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Well I know it isn't genocide.

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Start a war in Iran so no one cares about Iraq anymore.

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Wait another 4 years till McCain will probably have to be reelected.

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Doesn't matter who gets elected this year. Apparently both would like to attack Iran.

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wont change as much as expected tbh

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They won't pull the troops out of Iraq? :-| I heard some time ago that Obama will do it...

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they cant,they are to much involved already...
will end in a second vietnam imo

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That's why it was almost forgotten and wasn't known to most of the ppl until now.

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we already do, watch loose change for example or some other 911 shit or other documentaries.. there is a lot of movies rly about the crimes of any country anywhere,

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That is true... but with what effect? Have you read 1984? Some people need the theory of conspiration.

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well some believe the holocaust was a conspiracy.. and there r a lot of things which r so unbelievable that they r easily tagged as conspiracies

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This is one of the subjects used in Matrix :). People need conspiracies and other stuff. Life can't be just what it seems.

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Indeed. I'm definitely no fan of the Soviet Union, but this movie is just permantly focussing on the worst side of the regime. I also could had make a movie about the good supply for the countrymen and ordinary people in the Sowjetunion, which was much better than nowadays.

Or I could just make a movie with focussing on the poverty, which our economy system is causing worldwide.

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quakewars is like soviet union, dead

and awesome

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What was awesome about communism ?

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What was awesome about quakewars ?

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I don't like quakewars.

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to send fags like you to siberia

haha im more hated now :XD:X:D:X::D

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You should be sent to alcatraz.

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:D

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The theory.

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Yea, but it has not worked out for any country. All communist countrys are poor. Well... The countrys aren't poor, but the people are poor.

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I know, and they all needed a lot of gouvernemental repression and violence.

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Yea. And the main idea was that everybody would be equal... But we all know how that worked out :D

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The biggest flaw was that most communist regimes came from farmers and simple workers in already poor countries and for that reason they had nothing to share or redistribute in the first place so all the communist countries were doomed to fail on longer terms.

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You're wrong on that. Estonia actually had great production rates but that stupid regime destroyed that because everything was given to the country.

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The problem was that all of the well working nations were incorporated into Soviet Russia and made heavily dependant on it's economy, which was nowhere as good as the ones it took over.

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But communism is based on poor workers. Without poor workers communism can't exist in the first place since it demands the poor workers to stand up against the rich people.

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<3

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That's what I meant, but you put it in better words :) Thanks for that.

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dood, you are funny

Is there this movie in russian/german language?

not worth to watch, not worth to translate

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oh, i c u iz no engrish speak0r

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Do i smell commie?

no your "nose-straws" is in the way of any smell!

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hi @!

should be interesting

I was waiting for a movie like this :)

fuck soviets coz ruining Hungary with communism and fuck russians coz I lost a lot of money on them.

Nice profile picture bacilis :D

ty :D

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soviets rule!

shiet , i've downloaded 500mb of movie and then wen't playing css , it was lagging so i stopped dling

mby next time

noob

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stop being silent ;[

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sta1in powah.

Downloading.

I fail to see the connection between dunno and Stalin.

Judging by what's written in the synopsis, there's nothing new in this movie!

Quote by kotI fail

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Quote20:03:17<sol>: i'm arrogant and retarded

<3

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Aint downloaded the Soviet thing but if you be wanting incendiary remarks from that period Human Smoke be out recently :O) (not read it yet but there's plenty debate around the interwebs...)

QuoteBaker said he was surprised and shocked at the way Churchill responded to Hitler's attacks on Poland and other neighboring states by launching a relentless bombing campaign against German cities as well as a blockade that was designed to starve the enemy into submission.

"He was acting like a bloodthirsty maniac during that period. That has to go back on the record in all of its unpleasantness. We can't learn from a hero like that. It's a mistake to say that because Hitler was bad, we have to clean up the image of Churchill. Churchill was also bad," Baker said.

Baker maintains that Churchill's bellicose actions and Roosevelt's eagerness to supply Britain with ships and planes served only to prop up Hitler's standing with Germans and strengthen his hold on the country.

"It was the war -- the long, slow war of bombing and blockade -- that fundamentally helped to keep Hitler in power," he said. "The fact that the country was attacked night after night in this way released a massive antipathy to the British."

QuoteThe Third Reich, meanwhile, from scrupulous contemporary reports, is seen to dwell on a preferred Final Solution that would have seen the transport of European Jews to Madagascar, a possibility prevented by the British blockade of ports. Baker does not shirk from Nazi horror stories, but he includes, too, the Gestapo commanders who sought to bring bread to the starving Warsaw Ghetto, and by default begins to suggest that Hitler was 'forced' into genocide by the brutal Allied conduct of the war.

Quote'And in the end what was Trotsky? "He was a Jew," wrote Churchill with finality. "He was still a Jew. Nothing could get over that."

That's so dumb :DDD

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Feeling sorry for russians who think Russia is a good&kind country
gl when your petrol ends

Feeling sorry for self-victimising Estonians.

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What are you tring to say ?

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I like how they market the movie as "english" but all the interesting and important interviewed people are speaking russian.

lol, did i waste 800 mb for nothing?

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You could say.. but I havent seen the whole movie + it was still interesting

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