"Russia is protecting turkish civilians"
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14 Aug 2008, 20:42
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"Russia is protecting turkish journalist's in South Ossetia"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VSFRiHbFEtg
edit: cause some guys are going mad ...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VSFRiHbFEtg
edit: cause some guys are going mad ...
hence why ALL journalists from the big stations have bullet proof vests with PRESS written on the front. Also all cars in iraq have PRESS written on the side.
by the looks of this, they're like 3-4 casually dressed guys in an unmarked 4x4, I'm not condoning how the russian army reacted but you should go into the situation knowing that it may happen and so do stuff to try and stop it happening
oh wait ... :/
Not to justify it, but I aint gonna lambast till you know the circumstances...
Cant blame either of them without knowing the content.
They didnt have any signs of PRESS & they were just a threat to Russians, You can't blame that.
as far as i know they should wear a bulletproof jacket with press on it or some other obvious sign...
but he got out from it cuz we strong since birth :~>
funny that his car blew up from the inside (explosive were there)
what happen there is unknown for both of us :d
but the shell was darts and not explosive (what the tank shot) :~>
in a tank you use infra red cameras or night cameras or heat cameras
there is no way to see press on the car xD
and especially when that jeep was few kilometers from the tank !!!
israel is the most human army in the world, i believe them rather than arabs or your routers
just know the ex egyptian embessedor admin that he was a spy for egypt...
we knew it all the time here :d
you cant trust arabs !
but if i were you, i would check all the facts :~>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuters
thats all i can tell you :~<
:~D
You should watch this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1127653652241016730&ei=NbOkSOKENoTm2QLa56mVBQ&q=inside+hamas&hl=en
Got any more propaganda?
'its in their blood'
These are the generalisations I'm talking about, thanks for proving my point.
A lot of Estonians seem to share the opinion that Russians are inherently 'evil' and imperialist which is ludicrous. Perhaps your view of Russia is out of perspective given the fact that you're neighbours, but they're doing what superpowers do - America included. For example, America has directly and indirectly tried to overthrow the governments of pretty much every Latin American country.
There is biased media in every country, some more biased than others. Take News Corp - they have the British working class in their pocket with their conservative publications being anti-EU to the max. Much like Estonia, Ireland was under foreign rule for quite some time - but you don't see me ranting on about how silly English people are, etc. If you had an objective view of Russia you'd see that your opinions are way out of proportion. You, like many Estonians, are blinded by your own hatred. Bigotry at its finest.
Made my day
On a serious note - where exactly did I equate the UK to Russia and where did I claim Estonia wanted to be in the USSR? What posts are you reading?
But instead you come up with bigoted reasons as to why you should generalise all Russians based on your own personal experiences. Interesting logic.
UK didn't throw away any ambitions, they lost their colonies because of the huge economic cost of WWI and WWII. They pulled out of India because Opium was made illegal (the vast majority of the British Raj's economy was based on exporting Opium - it was obviously no longer profitable when it's non-medicinal use was made illegal). It wasn't out of any sympathy for the subjects. You need only look at America to see that that's not the case. See my example on Latin America, then add Iraq, Afghanistan, Poland & Czech Republic (missile bases) and many others. America has military bases in over two-thirds of the world's countries. Compare this to Russia pushing for a change of policy in Georgia which, when you think about it objectively, really isn't so bad (in terms of world-balance).
You mean like the FBI most wanted list? You mean like the whole 'War on terror' rhetoric repeated ad nauseam? Why do you think this shit is unique to Russia?
I mentioned it before but I'll flesh out my point. Look at it objectively, is it really that bad for another country to exert its own influence instead of letting American imperialism run riot? Balance is better for anyone - letting one lone superpower call the shots is bad news. Look at the Iranian thing, you've got America and its Jewish lobby pushing for an unjustifiable war in Iran and nobody influential enough to say no to them, is that right? Do you really want that expanding?
Also, you can't justify false actions "well A did it, so we can do it too". That seems to be a logic behind your reasoning.
As before, you are unable to answer the actual argument.
If someone does something, it doesn't mean it's acceptable for someone else to do the same.
P.S. I wasn't aware you had access to the admin log - you must have been checking up on who and what I've been banning and deleting. And apparently I'm the one with too much time on my hands.
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YES WE KIND OF DISLIKE RUSSIA FOR SOME REASON. I WONDER WHAT IT IS.
Eat a potatoe.
and fuck off..are all estonians are retards like you? im still hoping to find at least one normal estonian
im sure they are out there..somewhere
My opinion about the Georgia & Russia conflict is next;
Putin himself stated clearly, that the shattering of Soviet Union was a catastroph(Lol spelling) & he himself clearly stated that he to like Soviet Union back. They are demanding that Georgian government would step down, that is far beyond helping their fellow comrads in Georgia, that was just an excuse to assault Georgia, as it's not part of any unions, not 100% sure about that though, well at least it is not in EU or it has any connections with any other big unions / countrys.. This is just a first move, I believe.. Russia has the resources to hold a war unlike Georgia, without any help, their government will eventually have to step down. When the Estonians took down the memorial statue in Tallinn, all hell break loose, people started bashing stores & looting everything that got in the way.. I bet that if Estonia wouldn't be in the EU, you could've heard soviet tanks rolling in from Narva. As Georgia has no EU, Russia just took the chance to unite the country with them & so far as it seems, nobody is going to help Georgia, which would probably mean war against Russia, only time will tell what Russians attentions really are.. And do not make fun of World war 3 people, because after that we'll be living in a coooold & loooong winter. World war 3 = Russia, USA & China, everything in the middle would be bashed.
ive heard many opinions but your is just..wow :O
"he himself clearly stated that he would like Soviet Union back"
i would never believe that putin as a president would say that..personally i would like USSR back..and even if putin wanted USSR back he would never say that..
saakashvili is a criminal and i unserstand russian position about that question..saakashvili started the genocide of ossetians and should be sued in gaaga for that
"I bet that if Estonia wouldn't be in the EU, you could've heard soviet tanks rolling in from Narva."
i bet that you are wrong..why would russia invade estonia? use your head pls
"Russia just took the chance to unite the country with them "
THEM who? if georgia then we wont occupy 'em...if ossetia then we could've done it right after 'the kosovo precedent'
and after the georgians did to ossetins they will NEVER BE TOGETHER
everyone of you is flashed by the G.I movies where americans are the god chosen soldiers to save the world from bad evil devil russians .
Wake up and see what happened in the iraq, usa fucked up the country destroyed everything and is stealing the oil of the country . BUT NOONE is saying something . But when Georgia starting to fuck a litte amount of people in a independent area where 80% of the people have the russian pass and russia is helping them everyone is flaming :" bad russians again the devil came and they are so evil ... i just can say fuck you
War ist shit , no mind about this , but just get your own opinion and not that news faked stuff , where everything is corrupt in this fucking world
e: Do you like your president and primeminister ?
Not entirely true...
protecting your "native" people via bombattack to a local school
how would you feel if it was your school?
those are just photos from the conflict
and how would you feel if georgians attacked your country and started bombing you and killing peaceful citizens?
tell me, how is it possible to gather so much soliders in such a less time?
and 10 000 ppl? wtf?! where you got those numbers?!
there were only 150 tanks and some troops
dont forget those airattacks that made most of the damage.
And why you demolished Pori ?
And yes, I partly understand why Russia is in South-Ossetia but what the fuck are they doing in Georgia? Attacking a country that isn't able to defend itself properly.
And to be honest, Russia is waaaaay more corrupted and censored country than any of the western countries so shut the fuck up idiot. You even killed your former agent Aleksandr Litvinenko and used faked pictures of Titanic.
Never trust a Russian, it's already seen before and confirmed in the Georgian war after the "ceasefire".
Which wars USA actually started? The iraqi war and? How many countries has Soviet Union/ Russia attacked? Finland, Afghanistan, Georgia... Killing most people in the world? Maybe you don't know about what Stalin did killing its OWN citizens. And should they be SCARED of Russia? And that world domination is total bullshit.
But they haven´t tried to eradicate our nation for several decades so we don´t hate them that much.
The rocket shield? You do know that the world is round and the rocket shield would do NOTHING to defend USA from rockets coming from russia.
YOUR MEDIA IS CONTROLLED BY THE GOVERNMENT!! How can´t you see that?
Don´t really see how american film industry comes into this, but have you seen what your own movie industy makes? They are more like absurd-comedy movies than war-flicks.
And get over the "USA is behind everything attitude". Seriously. You are just showing that you believe what Putin orders the media to tell you. That is just sad.
"russia is helping every country financially who was in the sowjet union ."
examples?
Obviously both sides were just waiting for the other side to make a mistake and attack. Both sides had everything set up for months. And now one side, Georgia, made that mistake and the whole shit started. It was ok for Russia to help out, but what they're doing now is just another nogo.
Other than that it's just US vs Russian economic interests and some idiots living in some shitty country need to pay for it.
it gets boring after a few journals
have a cookie
Georgia shouldn´t of attacked Ossetia. It wouldn´t of been so bad if the operation had gone off perfectly. But if you can´t do it right, don´t do it at all.
I understand why they did it. I understand there was some shooting there before between separatist and Georgian police (and that those separatists fired on some Georgian villages later- dunno if this is true) and it can really piss you off if the citizens of another country just get up and say "hey dude, we don´t want your government anymore so we´ll just take a piece of your land and you can suck on it".
But when things had gone that far (autonomy for Ossetia) some sort of a political solution would of been better.
But what Russia did was invading an independent country (not just Ossetia and Abkhazia), bombing it´s cities and destroying it´s infrastructure. And then claiming they just saved their citizens from genocide and that the Georgians bombed their own cities. Come on, that´s f-d up.
Your the one whose been under corrupt Russian TV.. For instancse the riot about the statue in Tallinn.. Russia cant just accept other country, you own almost half the world already, why do you even want to expand, let other countrys grow, let them get state of the art technology ... Georgian situation is simply to get more territory. You moved over the "line" where the problem was..
First 150 Tanks, thats enough to invade whole Georgia.
School bombing, just war you say ..?
Thats just another irrogant shit-chat by you...
But CNN and BBC usually do the trick. Also newspapers.
It´s pretty easy to spot the propaganda in western media and then ignore it. If you ignore the propaganda and lies in russian media there is nothing left.
And yes, I partly understand why Russia is in South-Ossetia but what the fuck are they doing in Georgia? Attacking a country that isn't able to defend itself properly.
And to be honest, Russia is waaaaay more corrupted and censored country than any of the western countries so shut the fuck up idiot. You even killed your former agent Aleksandr Litvinenko and used faked pictures of Titanic.
Never trust a Russian, it's already seen before and confirmed in the Georgian war after the "ceasefire". "
I think it has a point again . If you are so nobel, why wont Ya just help the people there & stop pushing in to Georgia ?
And Yes, Putin did say that on national televison xD
WTF DO YOU HAVE AGAINST BUILDING IN ESTONIA?! RACIST!
"Attacking a country that isn't able to defend itself properly."
so they can attack somebody np but cant defend..n1
"And to be honest, Russia is waaaaay more corrupted and censored country than any of the western countries so shut the fuck up idiot. You even killed your former agent Aleksandr Litvinenko and used faked pictures of Titanic."
hahah :DD same blabla bullshit
"Never trust a Russian, it's already seen before and confirmed in the Georgian war after the "ceasefire". "
SAME TO YOU FAGGOT.."DIE IN A CAR FIRE"
hope you are happy m6mmi..i replied
EDiT: "If you are so nobel, why wont Ya just help the people there & stop pushing in to Georgia ?"
we are helping them.."Russia will provide at least 10 Bln rubles to restore S. Ossetia" -Medvedev
WTF DO YOU HAVE AGAINST BUILDING IN ESTONIA?! RACIST!
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Excuse me ? Lets be serious, FIN does have more improved buildings - modern I must say.. But Yes, come to think of it, You might like EST buildings more & another million people might like them, so not an objective to argue about..
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"And to be honest, Russia is waaaaay more corrupted and censored country than any of the western countries so shut the fuck up idiot. You even killed your former agent Aleksandr Litvinenko and used faked pictures of Titanic."
hahah :DD same blabla bullshit
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Im not sure that its more corrupt than any other western countries.. But you cant say that news arent saying what government tells them to. And Im not saying that they are lying 24/7.. I hope you undrestand my point of view as an Estonian.
I dont have anything against Russian people, like someone stated . I just don't agree with some facts Russians have made in the past & are doing in Georgia, just help the people & do what you have to do, but don't assault Georgia & force it's government to step down. 10 Bln rublas, that wont change the fact that it got bashed :S & the relations will never ever be the same again between Russia & Georgia..
*EDIT* Well Im gona start watching Hancock, so I won't be idling anymore, was an quite intresting discussion, but I recommend you to think over the facts, then you might undrestand a bit what goes trough my mind.
so thanks you
thats nice. The damage they caused to the infrastructure of Georgia is way bigger than that, but okay.
so fuck off already
and i tbh dont care about georgia..they started this conflict and they should be ready for the consequences
No. You didn´t.
Don´t believe what government owned media tells you.
Atleast here in Finland people used to think that Soviet Union was great and everything in the country was great and some people even adored it. Now when Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore, the reality has revealed it's face, the infrastructure was totally shit as well as many other things.
Of course they are able to fight separatists in their OWN country, not a huge country with 10x bigger army.
Here in my town, Russians used to come to play in a football tournament and were kicked out many times because of stealing and fighting. And tbh I've never met a Russian who has returned a lost wallet to its owner.
Yes it was a generalization, but this is the impression I've got from some of the Russian people I've met/heard. And what's happening in Georgia right now? Russia said it's gonna withdraw from Georgia two days ago and still they're in Gori.
What's the bullshit here? They are censoring the news, a good friend of mine has a russian friend here in Finland who gets a russian newspaper everyday and he is laughing at some of the news because they are so much bullshit. And yes, your country is corrupted if you didn't know that it's not normal that you can bribe the police, happens in western countries also gonna admit that ( luckily not here :>).
Why are you ignoring all the critic against Russia? Can't you take any critic against your country? You're saying that all I've said is anti-russian, and doesn't make any sense, well of course it's anti-russian since I'm criticizing Russia but it surely does make sense.
i can later if you rly want :D
The thing is, S.Ossetia isn't part of Russia, it's part of sovereign country called Georgia.
why not? Will you invade us if we don´t shut up? Yeah, that´ll prove your point.
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