"Russia is protecting turkish civilians"

"Russia is protecting turkish journalist's in South Ossetia"

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VSFRiHbFEtg


edit: cause some guys are going mad ...
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3rd world war incoming
Damn russians, they're making Finland HardyRah paranoid. Stop it. Seriously. Stop it.
haha nice
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made my evening! :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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WHOA BITCH WHOA lies
did the car have press written on it?
Russian soldiers can speak english ?
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"press" as you saw in the video by the turks shouting it, is pretty much universally known as "we are journalists, please don't shoot us"

hence why ALL journalists from the big stations have bullet proof vests with PRESS written on the front. Also all cars in iraq have PRESS written on the side.

by the looks of this, they're like 3-4 casually dressed guys in an unmarked 4x4, I'm not condoning how the russian army reacted but you should go into the situation knowing that it may happen and so do stuff to try and stop it happening
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:/ you were too fast for me!
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that's what SHE SAID

oh wait ... :/
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it reminds me from that car scene from hancock. "oh so you can speak english?"
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I got reminded of the scene where the two superheroes were having a fight in the street
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I just waited for the m starting to glow, all in a Dragonball Z manner.
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looks like they were fired from upfront... i doubt they could see if they had vests on.. or even if they were press. This could just aswell been a civilian vehicle with innocent ppl in it. It just got filmed cuz they are journalists.
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We don't know the background... was it a roadblock? Had they been asked to stop? Where people banned from driving up there? Was there reason to believe they where being aggressive?

Not to justify it, but I aint gonna lambast till you know the circumstances...
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stop lying nellie, THE RUSSIANS ARE EVIL AND ARE WORSE THAN THOSE CHINESE
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Incidentally I canna see mention of this anywhere o0 Anyone got a linky?
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faked for youtube fame!
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yea if u read carefully, thats kinda the same point as what im trying to make with my comment ;)

Cant blame either of them without knowing the content.
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I totally agree...

They didnt have any signs of PRESS & they were just a threat to Russians, You can't blame that.
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if this was supposed to be sarcasm then it didn't really work o.0
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So, umm... You are trying to say that it wasnt a threat, when you watch it from Russians side? If Georgians would be in Russia, they would be super careful aswell..
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I was saying it seemed you were being sarcastic but maybe you weren't
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Who would be sarcastic in a topic like this :S ?
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i don't really want to defend them but its pretty hard to hear someone shouting press if you are shooting... and just shouting "press" isnt really a reason to believe...

as far as i know they should wear a bulletproof jacket with press on it or some other obvious sign...
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I see what you did there.
They already killed a Dutch Cameraman
and injured an israeli journalist :d
but he got out from it cuz we strong since birth :~>
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Israel tank blew anothor journalist up. It was 110% clearly marked.
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i have saw that
funny that his car blew up from the inside (explosive were there)
what happen there is unknown for both of us :d
but the shell was darts and not explosive (what the tank shot) :~>
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Reuters lie and Israel Defense Forces speak the truth?
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you havent thought about 1 thing
in a tank you use infra red cameras or night cameras or heat cameras
there is no way to see press on the car xD
and especially when that jeep was few kilometers from the tank !!!
israel is the most human army in the world, i believe them rather than arabs or your routers
just know the ex egyptian embessedor admin that he was a spy for egypt...
we knew it all the time here :d

you cant trust arabs !
but if i were you, i would check all the facts :~>
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Well, Reuters isn't "me" nor did I say anything except ask you, either Reuters lies or IDF. Simple as that. They both can't be right - that's for sure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuters
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if idf wrong, he admit
thats all i can tell you :~<

image: 60920392

:~D
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Well, I have rarely seen any legal action taken against an Israeli soldier.

You should watch this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1127653652241016730&ei=NbOkSOKENoTm2QLa56mVBQ&q=inside+hamas&hl=en
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i dont understand your sentence :d
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Oh look it's another bigoted Estonian.

Got any more propaganda?
oh yeah. all the ww2 documentaries are propaganda too. hitler was really a cool dude, the rest of the world is just portraying him as sicko.
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Um, say what? I think you ought to stick to movie-making.
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lol, dude propaganda, yeah, you can call this propaganda. but obviously you are not familiar with true russian propaganda. i mean just today they analysed saakashvilis face and told by his face that he is insane, acting all serial. russians believe it, russians believe that russia has never been the agressor, finland 39, prague 68, basically the baltic states joined the soviet union, since they wanted. whatever, check russian media for propaganda, still doing it, its in their blood.
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'russians believe that russia has never been the agressor'
'its in their blood'

These are the generalisations I'm talking about, thanks for proving my point.

A lot of Estonians seem to share the opinion that Russians are inherently 'evil' and imperialist which is ludicrous. Perhaps your view of Russia is out of perspective given the fact that you're neighbours, but they're doing what superpowers do - America included. For example, America has directly and indirectly tried to overthrow the governments of pretty much every Latin American country.

There is biased media in every country, some more biased than others. Take News Corp - they have the British working class in their pocket with their conservative publications being anti-EU to the max. Much like Estonia, Ireland was under foreign rule for quite some time - but you don't see me ranting on about how silly English people are, etc. If you had an objective view of Russia you'd see that your opinions are way out of proportion. You, like many Estonians, are blinded by your own hatred. Bigotry at its finest.
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ye and we joined USSR because we wanted it ? :D
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You've got to have the brain capacity of a goldfish if that's what you managed to gather from my post.
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trust me. I Have an objecive view but it seems you dont. Russia isnt Uk man.
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Why didn't you say that before? I most certainly trust you now. The thing that convinced me was the overwhelmingly logical arguments you made.

On a serious note - where exactly did I equate the UK to Russia and where did I claim Estonia wanted to be in the USSR? What posts are you reading?
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QuoteMuch like Estonia, Ireland was under foreign rule for quite some time - but you don't see me ranting on about how silly English people are, etc.
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Im 16, i lived in a town where 80% people were russians, i got shot by a steel bullet bb gun by a russian, stabbed by a bottleopener and i have done stuff to them also. yeah, my opinions are not objective, i mean i don't come up with arguments supporting russia. BUT WHY SHOULD I; so people would think that maybe, just maybe russia is kind of allowed to do stuff, you should know, russia is a parasite, if you check history,- much like england colonizing actually, but the english have somehow thrown away their ambitions, RUSSIA, if you look at how they have controlled their people, cant throw away their ambitions, they need to live this way tbh, and sorry, i dont like a nation trying to scare the shit out of their own people being my neighbour. THEY ACTUALLY MAKE LISTS OF TOP 10 enemies of russia. and georgia, for fuck sakes, estonia is history, but the situation in georgia is right now, how can people not see the russian plans, i feel fucking sorry for georgians, basically russia is just showing to their own people that the "enemies" of russia werent a lie, to make russians stick together, get isolated and that way keep the regime. the 91 august thing wasnt anything to be honest. russia is on its tracks once again with 2 skitzophrenic politicians leading.
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Apparently you took none of what I said on board.

QuoteIm 16, i lived in a town where 80% people were russians, i got shot by a steel bullet bb gun by a russian, stabbed by a bottleopener and i have done stuff to them also. yeah, my opinions are not objective, i mean i don't come up with arguments supporting russia.


But instead you come up with bigoted reasons as to why you should generalise all Russians based on your own personal experiences. Interesting logic.

Quoteif you check history,- much like england colonizing actually, but the english have somehow thrown away their ambitions, RUSSIA, if you look at how they have controlled their people, cant throw away their ambitions, they need to live this way tbh


UK didn't throw away any ambitions, they lost their colonies because of the huge economic cost of WWI and WWII. They pulled out of India because Opium was made illegal (the vast majority of the British Raj's economy was based on exporting Opium - it was obviously no longer profitable when it's non-medicinal use was made illegal). It wasn't out of any sympathy for the subjects. You need only look at America to see that that's not the case. See my example on Latin America, then add Iraq, Afghanistan, Poland & Czech Republic (missile bases) and many others. America has military bases in over two-thirds of the world's countries. Compare this to Russia pushing for a change of policy in Georgia which, when you think about it objectively, really isn't so bad (in terms of world-balance).

Quoteand sorry, i dont like a nation trying to scare the shit out of their own people being my neighbour. THEY ACTUALLY MAKE LISTS OF TOP 10 enemies of russia.


You mean like the FBI most wanted list? You mean like the whole 'War on terror' rhetoric repeated ad nauseam? Why do you think this shit is unique to Russia?

Quoteand georgia, for fuck sakes, estonia is history, but the situation in georgia is right now, how can people not see the russian plans, i feel fucking sorry for georgians, basically russia is just showing to their own people that the "enemies" of russia werent a lie, to make russians stick together, get isolated and that way keep the regime.


I mentioned it before but I'll flesh out my point. Look at it objectively, is it really that bad for another country to exert its own influence instead of letting American imperialism run riot? Balance is better for anyone - letting one lone superpower call the shots is bad news. Look at the Iranian thing, you've got America and its Jewish lobby pushing for an unjustifiable war in Iran and nobody influential enough to say no to them, is that right? Do you really want that expanding?
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GG language barrier, anywho, you should take something what i say also, and secondly about usa, i know, i also know about the 3rd reich and the opium wars, england, whatever, but the reason why im talking about russia is because i am right in the middle of it. Basically your point is that "super"nations or however you call them in english need to live this way, the politicans are very paranoid up there and they need to maintain their status. but i cant take it like it is a fact, that they cant fucking change, im pretty much a revolutionary, and my political view is authoritan, since its more ideal, minimalistic. im not too clueless what they are doing, but i cant say they are right, and as with estonia, well im pretty much concerned about myself, what will happen. whats happening in georgia is a threat to every nation who is sitting near russia. you should know that also. people get scared or experience and thats how they form opinions, if there werent negative things, there wouldnt be any opinions, just that we have different negative experiences, we argue. im not surrendering, but i cant really talk with you because of my poor english. i hope i made my point . and true, im not objective, but i have my own reasons, and those reasons -now thinking as objectively as i can- should be taken seriously.
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Your view is something that can be disregarded as you have no personal experience living next to Russia as a nation. It wasn't far that we wouldn't speak russian here nowdays.

Also, you can't justify false actions "well A did it, so we can do it too". That seems to be a logic behind your reasoning.
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Without meaning to sound rude - I'm not going to get involved in discussing this with you as you seem to have serious reading difficulties. Maybe it's schnizofrenia, I don't know. Whatever it is, you have an awful habit of reading something that very clearly isn't said. I'm sure your points sound logical before you type them. No disrespect intended.
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You sound cocky, but I guess that is your goal.

As before, you are unable to answer the actual argument.
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Well I really can't believe Russia has changed, since you hear about the censoring of the newspapers and opposition. Propaganda and censoring lives strong in Russia. The murder of Aleksandr Litvinenko is a perfect example of that.
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If I think of changing, I ask myself, why the changing happened just now, if i can answer the question, i would consider believing that "the thing" has changed. Russia has imho no reason why he should change. Hes been like this for a while now, talking about centuries- and during that time, they have trained their people to become isolated, and well as sol said, like im a bigot, they are bigots, thank god that there are only 900k estonians living in estonia and getting all the estonian propaganda. unfortunetly russia is a bit bigger. Im making myself angry again.. gg
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What the fuck has America got to do with this? Please stay on topic. You ramble on stuff that is irrelevant, and when someone questions your opinion you bombard them with such views as you have here.

If someone does something, it doesn't mean it's acceptable for someone else to do the same.
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useless replies and abusing admin powers. nice to see you havent lost your touch.
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Useless replies? Right. Why not draw some more obscure assumptions out of what I said. I'm sure you'll be able to link this one to the Cuban Missile Crisis. Go for it!

P.S. I wasn't aware you had access to the admin log - you must have been checking up on who and what I've been banning and deleting. And apparently I'm the one with too much time on my hands.
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i agree. goodbye.
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propaganda :D ? mate, you really need to open your eyes.
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Russia keeps calling us fascists/genociders/whatever in their media. Constant anti-estonian propaganda that even gets to most of the russians living here. Russia defending looters and calling them patriots. Cyberattacks and claiming they "liberated us" and that we should be thankful for them trying to make our nation disappear for 50 years.

YES WE KIND OF DISLIKE RUSSIA FOR SOME REASON. I WONDER WHAT IT IS.

Eat a potatoe.
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Nothing special. What do you expect?
para bellum...
That russian soldier definetly had some caucasian accent i thinks.
I don't want to start anything but some of you people aren't really justifying russians? I mean that would't have happened if the russians wouldn't be bringing "freedom" to abkhazia and s-ossetia.
lol they are rly bad aimers those russians xDDD
PRESS PRESS PRESS
hello mr eSStonian
and fuck off..are all estonians are retards like you? im still hoping to find at least one normal estonian
im sure they are out there..somewhere
we cant be normal to you , when you attack some country cause they like west more.
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not all. But i know that you are brainwashed.
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You guys are no better.
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i know why im brainwashed, i did it myself, otherwise i read pretty much different historical sources, but i always end up with the same conclusion, you cant take russia nicely, FOR ONCE they need to surrender, it will help them, if you talk to a russian, you will understand my point. EU, USA are acting right atm, but i would like more actions also, maybe that would be too much ofc.. and if you guys think that politicans are morons and don't know shit about this situation, they just like to screw russia, then it has a point also, all the reactions. politics are imho even more ideal than mathemathics, they have gotten the most practise in the world overall, concerning major branches of the system and you can take the politicians as math scientists. russians aswell, but as with lying, they are the roman catholics of politics, aswell with USA, NEED A NEW AGE OF ENLIGHTENMENT "!
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Excuse me buddy ? You can disagree with his point of view, but he has a point there. Especially the "liberating" & 50 years of Soviet Union in our country. If you think that taking a country by force is right, sir, you are wrong.

My opinion about the Georgia & Russia conflict is next;
Putin himself stated clearly, that the shattering of Soviet Union was a catastroph(Lol spelling) & he himself clearly stated that he to like Soviet Union back. They are demanding that Georgian government would step down, that is far beyond helping their fellow comrads in Georgia, that was just an excuse to assault Georgia, as it's not part of any unions, not 100% sure about that though, well at least it is not in EU or it has any connections with any other big unions / countrys.. This is just a first move, I believe.. Russia has the resources to hold a war unlike Georgia, without any help, their government will eventually have to step down. When the Estonians took down the memorial statue in Tallinn, all hell break loose, people started bashing stores & looting everything that got in the way.. I bet that if Estonia wouldn't be in the EU, you could've heard soviet tanks rolling in from Narva. As Georgia has no EU, Russia just took the chance to unite the country with them & so far as it seems, nobody is going to help Georgia, which would probably mean war against Russia, only time will tell what Russians attentions really are.. And do not make fun of World war 3 people, because after that we'll be living in a coooold & loooong winter. World war 3 = Russia, USA & China, everything in the middle would be bashed.
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I really hope, there will never ever be used any nuclear bombs, otherwise there won't be much left.
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wowowow :O
ive heard many opinions but your is just..wow :O

"he himself clearly stated that he would like Soviet Union back"
i would never believe that putin as a president would say that..personally i would like USSR back..and even if putin wanted USSR back he would never say that..

saakashvili is a criminal and i unserstand russian position about that question..saakashvili started the genocide of ossetians and should be sued in gaaga for that

"I bet that if Estonia wouldn't be in the EU, you could've heard soviet tanks rolling in from Narva."
i bet that you are wrong..why would russia invade estonia? use your head pls

"Russia just took the chance to unite the country with them "
THEM who? if georgia then we wont occupy 'em...if ossetia then we could've done it right after 'the kosovo precedent'

and after the georgians did to ossetins they will NEVER BE TOGETHER
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somehow i hate estonia wtf do you guys want ? russia is helping every country financially who was in the sowjet union . Go and fuck the ass from damn americans who started the most wars in the world, who killed the most people in the world and who are trying to build anti intercontinental rocket stations in europe , because they are scared of russia because its the only country who could resist them when they try to gain world domination

everyone of you is flashed by the G.I movies where americans are the god chosen soldiers to save the world from bad evil devil russians .

Wake up and see what happened in the iraq, usa fucked up the country destroyed everything and is stealing the oil of the country . BUT NOONE is saying something . But when Georgia starting to fuck a litte amount of people in a independent area where 80% of the people have the russian pass and russia is helping them everyone is flaming :" bad russians again the devil came and they are so evil ... i just can say fuck you

War ist shit , no mind about this , but just get your own opinion and not that news faked stuff , where everything is corrupt in this fucking world
Comon ... Most of all dont like G W Bush either ... I realy hope that Obama will be the new president in USA. But sry i personaly dont like your president,primeminister and ofc military

e: Do you like your president and primeminister ?
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ok mr pulza, here it goes, 80% of russians in south ossetia right, they are ossetian actually, if you didnt know, and you have north ossetia maybe also, maybe you should liberate it first, or chechnya, you have separatists ALL OVER your nation, and as for faked news, and if you say war is shit, everything is corrputed, then maybe you should help it by starting to tell your fellow russians that you can live peacefully here, most of the estonian propagandaish news are also kind of defensive since russian media attacks estonia straight. THE WORLD DOESNT WANT TO FUCK WITH YOU; you should stop it also,
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QuoteBUT NOONE is saying something

Not entirely true...
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I loled when you agree invading to Georgia. Luckily the massmedia did it's job and Russia had to back up.
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ignore 'em..they are hopleless
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http://www.navoine.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=551#551

protecting your "native" people via bombattack to a local school

how would you feel if it was your school?
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dont see the 'russians bombing ossetian schools' part
those are just photos from the conflict
and how would you feel if georgians attacked your country and started bombing you and killing peaceful citizens?
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wtf, georgia never attackted russia, they wanted to end the separtists ruling in South-o. And then russia found 10000 man is 3hours to "protect their people"

tell me, how is it possible to gather so much soliders in such a less time?
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georgia attacked @night..somewhere 11pm friday- saturday morning and russian troops entered @saturday day..
and 10 000 ppl? wtf?! where you got those numbers?!
there were only 150 tanks and some troops
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lol so it takes 150 tanks and some troops to invade all the way to gori ?

dont forget those airattacks that made most of the damage.

And why you demolished Pori ?
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keep that ignoring up and you'll start rolling back @ time again, if russians didnt lie about their own history, they wouldnt make these mistakes all over again.
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you are the one who should learn more about his own history
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teach me. oh and dont bother explaining the basics, im pretty familiar with learning history (the wrong one, as i understand, but its not too late, one can never be perfect). here it goes, im going to get smarter!, always wanted that a russian would teach me, then ill get the same education as my parents.
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haha. plz dont make me laugh. In ur opinion we joined USSR on our own will ?
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After dozens of years of repression you finally give financial help, well done. If you compare Finland and Estonia you can clearly see which of them belonged to Soviet Union. The difference can be immediately seen of the buildings in Estonia. I guess Soviet Union didn't do any good for the baltic countries.

And yes, I partly understand why Russia is in South-Ossetia but what the fuck are they doing in Georgia? Attacking a country that isn't able to defend itself properly.

And to be honest, Russia is waaaaay more corrupted and censored country than any of the western countries so shut the fuck up idiot. You even killed your former agent Aleksandr Litvinenko and used faked pictures of Titanic.

Never trust a Russian, it's already seen before and confirmed in the Georgian war after the "ceasefire".
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This made my day, seriously this is load of crap what you wrote there dude, btw how long have you been living in Germany now ?
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QuoteGo and fuck the ass from damn americans who started the most wars in the world, who killed the most people in the world and who are trying to build anti intercontinental rocket stations in europe , because they are scared of russia because its the only country who could resist them when they try to gain world domination


Which wars USA actually started? The iraqi war and? How many countries has Soviet Union/ Russia attacked? Finland, Afghanistan, Georgia... Killing most people in the world? Maybe you don't know about what Stalin did killing its OWN citizens. And should they be SCARED of Russia? And that world domination is total bullshit.
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We don´t like america either.

But they haven´t tried to eradicate our nation for several decades so we don´t hate them that much.

The rocket shield? You do know that the world is round and the rocket shield would do NOTHING to defend USA from rockets coming from russia.

YOUR MEDIA IS CONTROLLED BY THE GOVERNMENT!! How can´t you see that?

Don´t really see how american film industry comes into this, but have you seen what your own movie industy makes? They are more like absurd-comedy movies than war-flicks.

And get over the "USA is behind everything attitude". Seriously. You are just showing that you believe what Putin orders the media to tell you. That is just sad.

"russia is helping every country financially who was in the sowjet union ."

examples?
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What I've heard there was a gunpolicy, some people with guns ruled it.
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South Ossetia's independence isn't even recognized by Russia. They can't recognize their independence, else they'd have trouble with other small regions wanting to be independent.

Obviously both sides were just waiting for the other side to make a mistake and attack. Both sides had everything set up for months. And now one side, Georgia, made that mistake and the whole shit started. It was ok for Russia to help out, but what they're doing now is just another nogo.

Other than that it's just US vs Russian economic interests and some idiots living in some shitty country need to pay for it.
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the same anti-russian ppl at these anti-russian journals D:
it gets boring after a few journals
you are disappointed that more people don´t hate you :(
have a cookie
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my first OnTopic post here:

Georgia shouldn´t of attacked Ossetia. It wouldn´t of been so bad if the operation had gone off perfectly. But if you can´t do it right, don´t do it at all.

I understand why they did it. I understand there was some shooting there before between separatist and Georgian police (and that those separatists fired on some Georgian villages later- dunno if this is true) and it can really piss you off if the citizens of another country just get up and say "hey dude, we don´t want your government anymore so we´ll just take a piece of your land and you can suck on it".

But when things had gone that far (autonomy for Ossetia) some sort of a political solution would of been better.

But what Russia did was invading an independent country (not just Ossetia and Abkhazia), bombing it´s cities and destroying it´s infrastructure. And then claiming they just saved their citizens from genocide and that the Georgians bombed their own cities. Come on, that´s f-d up.
You might have helped countrys financially, but did Estonia ask for Your help ? 80% of the people are Russians in there, but your ass is in Georgia already. I myself at least never said I would like Bush & whats happening in Iraq.. And Yes, I also mentioned if World war 3 would break loose, there would be 3 dominating countrys, Russia, USA & China.

Your the one whose been under corrupt Russian TV.. For instancse the riot about the statue in Tallinn.. Russia cant just accept other country, you own almost half the world already, why do you even want to expand, let other countrys grow, let them get state of the art technology ... Georgian situation is simply to get more territory. You moved over the "line" where the problem was..
150 tanks & some troops - I assume around 1000-10000 then :DD

First 150 Tanks, thats enough to invade whole Georgia.

School bombing, just war you say ..?
Thats just another irrogant shit-chat by you...
wtf@school bombing? there was none and of there was then georgian troops were prolly int here cuz we were bombing only military objects
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now youve proven that you believe what your government owned media tells you. It´s not your fault you don´t know whats going on and i feel sorry for you.
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give a reliable source then
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i never rely on one source in things such as this. Unless the one source is my own eyes.

But CNN and BBC usually do the trick. Also newspapers.

It´s pretty easy to spot the propaganda in western media and then ignore it. If you ignore the propaganda and lies in russian media there is nothing left.
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So your saying your not invading Georgia & your not trying to force Georgian government to step down ?
Yes sorry, not that familiar with that conflict ..
& why arent you answering to daisy's comment ? "After dozens of years of repression you finally give financial help, well done. If you compare Finland and Estonia you can clearly see which of them belonged to Soviet Union. The difference can be immediately seen of the buildings in Estonia. I guess Soviet Union didn't do any good for the baltic countries.

And yes, I partly understand why Russia is in South-Ossetia but what the fuck are they doing in Georgia? Attacking a country that isn't able to defend itself properly.

And to be honest, Russia is waaaaay more corrupted and censored country than any of the western countries so shut the fuck up idiot. You even killed your former agent Aleksandr Litvinenko and used faked pictures of Titanic.

Never trust a Russian, it's already seen before and confirmed in the Georgian war after the "ceasefire". "

I think it has a point again . If you are so nobel, why wont Ya just help the people there & stop pushing in to Georgia ?

And Yes, Putin did say that on national televison xD
"The difference can be immediately seen of the buildings in Estonia."
WTF DO YOU HAVE AGAINST BUILDING IN ESTONIA?! RACIST!

"Attacking a country that isn't able to defend itself properly."
so they can attack somebody np but cant defend..n1

"And to be honest, Russia is waaaaay more corrupted and censored country than any of the western countries so shut the fuck up idiot. You even killed your former agent Aleksandr Litvinenko and used faked pictures of Titanic."
hahah :DD same blabla bullshit

"Never trust a Russian, it's already seen before and confirmed in the Georgian war after the "ceasefire". "
SAME TO YOU FAGGOT.."DIE IN A CAR FIRE"

hope you are happy m6mmi..i replied

EDiT: "If you are so nobel, why wont Ya just help the people there & stop pushing in to Georgia ?"
we are helping them.."Russia will provide at least 10 Bln rubles to restore S. Ossetia" -Medvedev
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"The difference can be immediately seen of the buildings in Estonia."
WTF DO YOU HAVE AGAINST BUILDING IN ESTONIA?! RACIST!
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Excuse me ? Lets be serious, FIN does have more improved buildings - modern I must say.. But Yes, come to think of it, You might like EST buildings more & another million people might like them, so not an objective to argue about..
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"And to be honest, Russia is waaaaay more corrupted and censored country than any of the western countries so shut the fuck up idiot. You even killed your former agent Aleksandr Litvinenko and used faked pictures of Titanic."
hahah :DD same blabla bullshit
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Im not sure that its more corrupt than any other western countries.. But you cant say that news arent saying what government tells them to. And Im not saying that they are lying 24/7.. I hope you undrestand my point of view as an Estonian.

I dont have anything against Russian people, like someone stated . I just don't agree with some facts Russians have made in the past & are doing in Georgia, just help the people & do what you have to do, but don't assault Georgia & force it's government to step down. 10 Bln rublas, that wont change the fact that it got bashed :S & the relations will never ever be the same again between Russia & Georgia..


*EDIT* Well Im gona start watching Hancock, so I won't be idling anymore, was an quite intresting discussion, but I recommend you to think over the facts, then you might undrestand a bit what goes trough my mind.
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thats the difference between you and daisy..daisy is just typing random anti-russian comments which doesnt make any sense and you are at least trying to explain your point of view
so thanks you
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"Russia will provide at least 10 Bln rubles to restore S. Ossetia" -Medvedev

thats nice. The damage they caused to the infrastructure of Georgia is way bigger than that, but okay.
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"we bombed only military objects"
so fuck off already
and i tbh dont care about georgia..they started this conflict and they should be ready for the consequences
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"we bombed only military objects"

No. You didn´t.

Don´t believe what government owned media tells you.
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ye wish we could use american satellites like georgians do..but we cant..and we miss sometimes..why would we want to bomb peaceful citizens or something?
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what´s with the USA paranoia? More propaganda from the media?
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QuoteWTF DO YOU HAVE AGAINST BUILDING IN ESTONIA?! RACIST!

Atleast here in Finland people used to think that Soviet Union was great and everything in the country was great and some people even adored it. Now when Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore, the reality has revealed it's face, the infrastructure was totally shit as well as many other things.
Quoteso they can attack somebody np but cant defend..n1

Of course they are able to fight separatists in their OWN country, not a huge country with 10x bigger army.
QuoteSAME TO YOU FAGGOT.."DIE IN A CAR FIRE"

Here in my town, Russians used to come to play in a football tournament and were kicked out many times because of stealing and fighting. And tbh I've never met a Russian who has returned a lost wallet to its owner.

Yes it was a generalization, but this is the impression I've got from some of the Russian people I've met/heard. And what's happening in Georgia right now? Russia said it's gonna withdraw from Georgia two days ago and still they're in Gori.

Quotehahah :DD same blabla bullshit
What's the bullshit here? They are censoring the news, a good friend of mine has a russian friend here in Finland who gets a russian newspaper everyday and he is laughing at some of the news because they are so much bullshit. And yes, your country is corrupted if you didn't know that it's not normal that you can bribe the police, happens in western countries also gonna admit that ( luckily not here :>).
Quotethats the difference between you and daisy..daisy is just typing random anti-russian comments which doesnt make any sense and you are at least trying to explain your point of view
so thanks you

Why are you ignoring all the critic against Russia? Can't you take any critic against your country? You're saying that all I've said is anti-russian, and doesn't make any sense, well of course it's anti-russian since I'm criticizing Russia but it surely does make sense.
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Overly generalizing finnish people, most certainly people didn't admire Soviet Union, not by a mile. Some communists might have, but that's their own fault.
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Oops, Edited :)
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not worth replying (even 2 lazy4that D:..sry)..but ok i read your comment..thx
i can later if you rly want :D
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Okay, reply me :x
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"to restore S.Ossetia" - what about the part where Russia bombed areas not deemed warzones at the start? Destroying infrastucture in other parts of Georgia - to which S.Ossetia belongs too.

The thing is, S.Ossetia isn't part of Russia, it's part of sovereign country called Georgia.
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ive already told you that de jure ossetia is a part of georgia but de facto ossetia is not a part of georgia
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You dodged the other part, why did Russia advance beyond S.Ossettia and why did they bomb many non-military targets?
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they didnt bomb non military objects and they advanced a lil to prevent other attacks form the georgian side
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That kind of lying is just one part of why the old satellite nations aren't too keen on Russia anymore. You can't escape your past, no wonder Poland, Ukraine, Estonia are all against you on this. When you threat a nation bad, they will surely remember it.
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you dont know the full story about estonia and ukraine so dont add those names to your statement..abd you dont know why are they against us
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Why don't you englighten me then? I would a lot of it has to do with WW2 and what happened after it.
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noone care about estonian or finnlands problems because this countrys didnt play a fucking role in the world. so i dont think that people from this countrys should open their fucking moth and say :" russia is bad stop the war "
"so i dont think that people from this countrys should open their fucking moth and say :" russia is bad stop the war ""

why not? Will you invade us if we don´t shut up? Yeah, that´ll prove your point.
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Mainilan Laukakset - we play that role that was given to us yes? Finland's goverment have been quite silent on the issue, but OSCE hasn't - Finland happens to be the nation in charge on that organization currently.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_for_Security_and_Co-operation_in_Europe
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Estonia : Einwohnerzahl 1.342.000 (Stand 2007)

Finnland :Einwohnerzahl 5.311.211 (6. Juni 2008)




Germany : Einwohnerzahl 82.244.000 (30. November 2007)
Russia : 142.400.000

NO YOUR COUNTRYS DONT PLAY A SHIT ROLE IN THE WORLD REALLY
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quality over quantity.
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haha i guess that was a joke right ? :D

so you see u failed metalhead
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