9/11 conspiracy theory.
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11 Sep 2008, 18:12
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hey its 9/11 and i expect this journal to last maybe 2 minutes cause some admin who didnt even know 1 person inside those 2 buildings will delete it and say its disrespectful although u didnt know anyone in there.
first off my business studies teacher was on that flight. and my other business studies teacher just missed the flight. dont realy know what to say but this isnt what my point is.
the 9/11 conspiracy theorys have shown conclusive evidence the plane didnt bring the building down a controlled demolition did. and its been proven.
fact: 1) its physically impossible the planes brought the building down because the heat from the plane exploding is not enough to melt the special steel the building was made out of.
fact: 2) an unschedualed maintenance team came into both towers and wouldnt reveal what they were doing.
fact 3) odigo workers recieved messages saying the attack was going to happen a few hours before it did.
very strong evidence 4) the plane going for the pentagon aparently crashed into the ground by people fighting back on the plane. however at the crash site there was no plane, there was no parets of the plane either. seconds before the plane actualy 'crashed' an anonymous phone call was made from a guy locked in the bathroom of the plane who said 'we are being hijacked' and then an explosion happend and the line cut off. in the past when planes have crashed parts are easily identifiable however here they were not. which is lead to believe that the plane was shot down. thers many point but watch the 9/11 conspiracy theory video and everything in that video is evidence and its not made up. many many people have looked into it and all came out with the same stuff.
point is from all of the theories gatherd showing wierd things happening. many many wierd things all happenings before and on the day of 9/11 attacks which are out of the ordinary and what the media told everyone and what they showed , they showed none of these conspiracy theories it was just instantly said irealis did it. basicly the goverment invented cover stories for everything that happend that day and so many of them have been proven wrong. so the government obviously have hidden many things so what else are they hideing?
for obvious reasons the plane that was going for the pentagon was shot down however the 2 planes were found 30 miles out of the twin towers flying outside of their normal flight pattern and the plane wasnt responding. fighter planes could have intercepted that plane before it hit the twin towers yet they did nothing
first off my business studies teacher was on that flight. and my other business studies teacher just missed the flight. dont realy know what to say but this isnt what my point is.
the 9/11 conspiracy theorys have shown conclusive evidence the plane didnt bring the building down a controlled demolition did. and its been proven.
fact: 1) its physically impossible the planes brought the building down because the heat from the plane exploding is not enough to melt the special steel the building was made out of.
fact: 2) an unschedualed maintenance team came into both towers and wouldnt reveal what they were doing.
fact 3) odigo workers recieved messages saying the attack was going to happen a few hours before it did.
very strong evidence 4) the plane going for the pentagon aparently crashed into the ground by people fighting back on the plane. however at the crash site there was no plane, there was no parets of the plane either. seconds before the plane actualy 'crashed' an anonymous phone call was made from a guy locked in the bathroom of the plane who said 'we are being hijacked' and then an explosion happend and the line cut off. in the past when planes have crashed parts are easily identifiable however here they were not. which is lead to believe that the plane was shot down. thers many point but watch the 9/11 conspiracy theory video and everything in that video is evidence and its not made up. many many people have looked into it and all came out with the same stuff.
point is from all of the theories gatherd showing wierd things happening. many many wierd things all happenings before and on the day of 9/11 attacks which are out of the ordinary and what the media told everyone and what they showed , they showed none of these conspiracy theories it was just instantly said irealis did it. basicly the goverment invented cover stories for everything that happend that day and so many of them have been proven wrong. so the government obviously have hidden many things so what else are they hideing?
for obvious reasons the plane that was going for the pentagon was shot down however the 2 planes were found 30 miles out of the twin towers flying outside of their normal flight pattern and the plane wasnt responding. fighter planes could have intercepted that plane before it hit the twin towers yet they did nothing
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its like every plane accident, the investigators improve airplanes mechanics.
after the 9/11, tall buildings are built more safe.
the twin towers had a big fuck in the metal stracture which weaken the whole building when there was fire.
there are "proofs" too.
this is so much bullshit :-)
Its coming from TV today here in finland :)
true, but wat do u want from us? Attack USA goverment?
o, they said no
your intelligence is showing.....or lack their of
Really its all garbage & anybody that believes the American Government would intentionally kill thousands of it's own people seriously needs to have their head examined.
they admitted it them selves in their documents
its 100% true, or do u think its some kind of conspiracy??
like a detective looking into a murder. does he instantly say ah well 17 year old kid did a drive by on a motorbike in the road then took a left turn and went back to his house within 5 seconds. no.. they look into it they draw from many angles and ask people however insane if they know anything and interigate people, maybe the wrong people but finding out the truth always hurts more.
It appears to me that you haven't as your post seems to be awfully lopsided in favor of these non sense conspiracy's. A detective keeps an open mind to all possibilities & judging from most of your comments here, your mind is very closed on this matter.
lets think of history hitler got in power and no one could ever imagine what kind of sick person he was
he burnt that reichstag building and blamed the communist for it and that worked perfectly
just to point out how easily government & media can spit lies if they want to at least now we have the internet which is only a good thing if u can question the things u read
Why can't I be an objective minded person who has seen all the documentaries from both sides of the debate & made up his own mind as free thinking human being?
so sorry for that
but i remember reading some absolutely ridiculous "debunkings" where they skip all the impossible to answer questions and give many non fact based answers and then "everything is proved wrong"
It's clear you believe the explanation given by US officials, so my question is this. If you have seen all the documentary's on this and seen both sides and made up your own mind on this, then I'd like to hear your opinion on the fact that the WTC debris was quickly destroyed and other recyclable parts were either exported or auctioned, however the criminal code requires that crime scene evidence is to be kept for forensic analysis. What's your view on this?
Furtermore, I don't know if you have actually seen tons of planecrashes but none of them look like the one at the pentagon.
THIS:
is, I'm sorry to say, not a boing 757-223 crashing into a building.
THIS:
is, I'm sorry to say, not the crashsite that resembles a boing 757-233 crashing into a building.
Same goes for the planecrash of Flight 93 in Somerset County. The wingspam of a 757 is 124 ft. The crashsite in Somerset Count has a span of about 30 to 40 ft.
THIS:
is what US officials say is the crashsite of Flight 93. A boing 757 with a wingspan of 124ft.
THIS:
is a crashsite of an 18-seat charter jet that crashed near Montrose Regional Airport in Colorado.
I'm not saying the US government did it, but what they are handing out as official statements are simply quite hard to take for granted.
So what is your view on these things?
Not sure what your definition of quickly is but cleanup took 9 months Don't you think a pile of rubble containing the bodies of 2,801 people in the middle of the countries financial district might be in the governments list of top prior ties to clean up & dispose of as quickly as possible?
Quote: I'm sorry to say, not the crashsite that resembles a boing 757-233 crashing into a building.
According to who? You're own personal assessment? Have you ever been to the Pentagon. Do you have any idea the shear size of that building?
Quote: Same goes for the planecrash of Flight 93 in Somerset County. The wingspam of a 757 is 124 ft. The crashsite in Somerset Count has a span of about 30 to 40 ft.
I see photo you posted with no reference point whatsoever to ascertain any kind of size. I suppose all the victims of that flight whose family & friends received phone calls from them are part of a conspiracy as well & I suppose the recordings of those phone calls, parts of which have been made public where can you can clearly hear the passengers trying to get into the cockpit & take the plane back is bogus also.
Maybe the correct question to ask me is weather I believe Flight 93 actually crashed.
What you've done with your post is exactly what conspiracy theorists do. They string together a bunch of variables that can both be easily explained or easily misconstrued into something they're not.
Clean up, yes, dispose of, no. That's against the criminal code, which requires that crime scene evidence is to be kept for forensic analysis. That didn't happen.
Yes I have been to the pentagon actually and I know it's size. Have you ever been to Amsterdam and seen the Appartmentbuildings in the Bijlmer where the El-Al plane crashed? Sure a 747 is bigger than a 757, but I can assure you that the crashsite at the pentagon does not resemble that of a 757.
Yes on that photo there is no referencepoint, I should've picked a better picture where there is a reference point, but you missed the point of the picture. A boeing 757 crashsite doesn't look like a nice little gap with a bit of smoke coming out of it.
Those phonecalls you are refering to were allegedly made with cellphones. I don't know what kind of super ultra mobile-phone network you have in the states and especially out in the boonies, but making a call with a cellphone from a plane that is quite high up in the air, is simply impossible.
Since you say they are easily explained, please explain them to me. You already made up your mind on this and thus should have a conclusion to these situations. If you read my post again that's exactly what I did, and that is to ask you how you explain these things we just mentioned here. I would love for you to explain why those simply do not look like boeing 757 crashsites. I would love for you to explain why the crashsite of flight 93 has a span of about 30 to 40 feet. I would love for you to explain why the only images of the 757 crashing into the pentagon are 4 separate images taken from a badquality camera. We are talking about the pentagon. The military HQ of the US. Are you seriously believing that there is nothing else that captured it? That was the only camera pointed at the pentagon? Please tell me you are not that naive.
And again, I'm not saying the US government is behind it nor do I believe a bunch of arabs with boxcutters did it nor do I believe the hilarious stuff some of the conspiracy theorists come up with. But it sure as hell stinks and we'll most likely never know the real answers. But I do know that certain information passed to us by US officials are simply impossible or "explained" with utter bullshit.
Wasn't investigated according to whom? The government is not gonna tell you everything nor will any government nor will they ever. Who says they weren't analyzed? Some crackpot theorist with a camera & microphone making some shoty film he stands to make money off of as long as he can spin the web of doubt & decit big enough?
Every crime contains motive & I really cannot for the live of me understand what possible motive the United States Government would have in blowing up or destroying in anyway, any part of their Military Headquarters especially given the fact that it was so over shadowed by the towers destruction.
Is it indicative of a plane that was shot down?
Two things, 1) the plane was flying at very low altitude 2) the claims are not just cell phones being used but actual phones on the plane itself.
All your doing is fishing for a response that will solidify whatever it is you believe which you have yet to clearly state. You will not get it from me. Nowhere in any of my posts do I claim that the United States Government has not with held information. No where I have claimed that I believe they have told the world the entire truth of whatever findings they may have. No where have I claimed they've been forth coming & not with held any & all information. No where have I stated I believe everything I've seen or heard about the events of September 11th. The only thing I have made perfectly clear is that do not believe all these crackpot theories concerning The United States Government involvement & subcontinental "cover up" of that involvement in an act of terrorism that killed 1000's of people from all world & had an negative impact on Millions. Nor do I believe this was some form of tactic to persuade support for an eventual invasion of Iraq to gain control of Middle Eastern Oil because quite simply we don't need to kill 1000's of innocent people just to invade a country run by a ruthless dictator & criminal. Even though I do believe we currently have Oil tycoons in office that may have used 9/11 has an excuse & an opportunity it has subsequently backfired.
Unfortunately I am not skilled in the field of crash site analysis & I dare to bet that neither is anybody here. I simply cannot comment on something I know nothing about but once again maybe show me a picture of what a Boeing 757 looks like after being blown out of the sky?
Please tell me you are not so naive to believe that the largest government in the world is gonna publicly release images revealing the locations of every single camera in or around their Military's Headquarters.
Please enlighten me to what it is exactly that you do believe?
If you are so sure that it is properly investigated then how come the team that FEMA assembled to investigate the structural failures was denied access to the debris? To quote part of a new york times article "The full investigative team set up by FEMA was not allowed to enter ground zero to collect other potentially critical evidence in the weeks after the attack, and it did not get a copy of the World Trade Center blueprints until early January". For the full thing -> http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9806E0DB1230F934A35750C0A9649C8B63
"The larger the lie, the easier it is for people to believe it": Joseph Goebbels
Did I mention that it was shot down? No.
I'm not fishing to solidify anything. I'm just questioning things that with simple common sense can not be true or stink to high heaven. You just said yourself that the US government is indeed not telling the entire truth and is withholding information. Why.
I suggest you should look at airplane accident sites such as http://www.planecrashinfo.com/ or http://www.airdisaster.com/ and check out the photos there. It gives you a good enough view on what crashsites look like.
There is no need to reveal the locations of every single camera. All there is a need for is some quality footage that shows the approach and eventual crash of a boeing 757 aircraft. The problem is that such footage simple can not be provided and the most likely reason why is that it simply doesn't exist.
It doesn't matter much what you or I believe. Neither of us will sort this out and this will only result in an endless discussion where both throw arguments around, so I will leave it at this. You believe one thing, I believe another. Neither of us is (or even can) be proven wrong. Aint that a sad thing.
FEMA has since shown their inability to manage or respond to anything of any significance. I personally don't believe they could investigate their way out of a stolen candy bar from the local 7-11. I think it's pretty safe to assume that government has other agencies who take precedent over FEMA in matters such as these as far as investigating goes.
Random quotes from from random historical figures is a silly tactic. Quite honestly I can do the same thing & really has no bearing on the argument..
“There is nothing as deceptive as an obvious fact” Arthur Conan Doyle, Sr
“No question is so difficult to answer as that to which the answer is obvious.” George Bernard Shaw
Nevertheless their is no possible reason anyone could come up with to convince that they would intentionally destroy part their own Military HQ taking the lives of 184 men, women and children. Men & Women who worked for the government. I mean it is so completely far fetched. If it was the US Governments intentions to spread fear & pandemonium that could have just as easily been achieved without destroying part of their Military HQ & killing members & family members of their very own staff.
The video I am posting below is presented in the same manner as these crackpot theories. A list of variables compiled in a manner to lead the viewer to a conclusion. I find it hard to understand why a video like this is any less convincing than any other theory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8&feature=related
No I implied it several times but you seemed to have missed that.
A Government that lies to it's own people & with holds information from them? Oh my we're all doomed.Honestly since when does any Government of any Nation tell the whole truth? The US Government is not any different. As the grandson of a WWII/Korean War Vet & the son of a Vietnam Vet who severed his country dutifully for over 20 years, I can tell you after watching the crap my grandfather went through in his final years with the government they are completely full of shit, lies & deceit. I can give you first hand accounts of how much the government lies after having to deal with them personally in my Fathers final years & still am to this day almost a year after his death, they still keep lying. The US Government lying is really nothing new.
Still not seeing seeing any photos indicative of being a 757 that was shot down by an A10 Warthog. Find one of those & I bet you find a match for the United 93 crash site.
Why is there no footage of the first plane (Flight 11) when it hit WTC1? The obvious answer would be because nobody was looking at WTC1 with a camera as they had no reason to. Why are there so many clear shots from so many angles of the second plane (Flight 175) impacting WTC2, because 100's of cameras were pointed at the towers recording the aftermath of WTC1. People see the footage & the images of the 2nd plane & automatically assume that the images of the Pentagon crash should be of equal quality & equal number of vantage points. This is an extremely ignorant assumption. The simple fact of the matter is the cameras that captured what's said to be a passenger airliner crashing into the building at a very high rate of speed are nothing more than security cameras incapable of capturing the kind of high quality images captured by high dollar news cameras of Flight 175 hitting WTC2.
As I've stated before I'm not some mindless drone who sits around listening to good government bullshit completely incapable of free thought. I've stated several times that yes I believe there are discrepancy's in the official US statements. I've made it clear that yes I believe our government lies & believe as most Americans do that the government has withheld information but that doesn't make them criminals who masterminded the biggest & most atrocious attack on American soil in history. That's simply an outlandish claim with no possible motive whatsoever. I can promise you the US government has withheld information & lied about events surrounding Hurricane Katrina, does that mean they flew the hurricane into New Orleans? Wait I should probably stop there as I'm sure there's some lunatic with a camera somewhere right now making a movie that makes that claim.
Anybody who thinks that the most powerful country in the world needs to kill 1000's of it's own people, completely destroy its entire financial infrastructure, destroy part of it's own Military HQ killing 100's pf it's own personnel costing itself almost $2 Trillion is seriously grasping at straws & I'll say it again, needs to have their head examined.
BTW just so you know I am by no means taking an angry stance against your point of view. Nothing wrong with healthy debate.
Of course there is a motive and a very easy one at that but it's one that's too gruesome to believe.
On a side note, I sincerely hope you are right and that it were in fact a bunch of smart arab's with boxcutters that pulled this one of.
all remains were not bigger than 1cm
what are you going to achive with keeping millions of tones of debree which is nothing more than a pile of rock?
there was nothing to keep or nothing to find
the sooner they clean the ground zero site the better
its like an atome bomb will blow (you know, today they come in suitcase)
and you dispose every debree :d
there is nothing wrong with that :~>
anyway, it doesnt isnt matter, but all those conspericy ppl are annoying :d
but what if there is a terror attack with stuit case atom bomb?
will you collect and store the whole city?
when you give exmple you give them to the limit
of course you wont store the whole city !
there are expections !
what is eod? :d
And as for EOD, google it.
you saw the huge of those buildings?
now think its all rubble, all the stuff inside it are rubbles
millions on trillions of stuff are rubble
anlyze will take decedes :d
and they wont find anything cuz there is nothing to find :~<
just like an atomic bomb :~>
ronner, lets make love my bald man, not war :~D
the cops put a blenket on it, but infect they ruin the evidecne
some wont !
depends how much you pay for your lowyers :D
and a building close to the wtc where the fbi + mayor were posted but were moved only 1 week before this thingie + the building collapsed like they would do in a proffesional way when they had to blow up the building :D
etc etc lots of things that dont make sens
ppl died in that day, let them rest in peace
but dont forget that there are large amount of ppl given birth around the world every second.
ppl died in the 9/11
and you come and open a truley idiotic journal that can only match Sol statement that HezbAllah are a political party...
tbh now i hate uk even more than i hate it before !
bunch of drunken fat ppl...
get over the media telling u to feel sorry 6 years after it happend. imagine if the media gave u this impression for every single person that ever died in history. u would commit suicide because ud be so depressed.
thers 10s of millions of people in the UK. and because 1 person is spamming forums u now hate the entire UK. ur so hooked on stereotyps its not even funny. u like in isreal :s the most hated country in the world. or atleast ur flag is isrealien
second of all what the fuck has the media has to do with it? :x
there was a journal before this that remindes me that today is 9/11...
edit: http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=BzGd0t8v-d4
watch the movie "Zeitgeist"
its all about money
what episode / season please?
faggot
brb
Had to check south park dvd collection fot hat :P
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6680224505086911340&ei=p1bJSOWjAY_WiQKO_-zRAg&q=BBC+conspiracy+files
u gotta skip the first 8 mins though
DURRRR CONSPIRACY GUISE
like the osama bin laden videos 'sent' from osama are aparently real when there all fake. binladen was eating with his opposite hand, he was wearing his ring on the opposite hand.he was walking normaly when he has a hip problem. :s
get ur facts straight then come back =)
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=af07
Patetic comments from some people btw.
"A lie repeated 1000 times becomes a true claim."
terrorists..ok..i want to believe
Happy September 11th! How will you celebrate?
- Adolf Hitler
'imagination is more important than knowledge'
Albert Einstein
lol..... 'imagination is more important than knowledge' couldn't have said it better myself, cause it's exactly what this is, your imagination at work.
o no he didnt. yes evil zombie, he did
Once again your intelligence is showing.
/quit
let someone else write that :~<
No!
(wish i had something funny to insert here) give me 5 mins.
2) what do you refer to by this "maintenance group".. It would have taken DAYS or MONTHS to prepare and place explosives in both of the towers let alone the fact you would've had to ignite them remotely
3) these messages are mostly taken out of context
4) The statement that there wasn't a plane that hit the Pentagon is just ridiculous; how can HUNDREDS of witnesses be wrong? do they all lie?
I'm not taking either side of the attack, whether it was an inside job or an terrorist attack.
But when you get "evidence" out of context and show it to people they'll obviously start thinking the weirdest of things. Even the SIMPLEST of things/facts can be composed in a form that wakens up sceptism.
peace<3
im not an expert but that did look like controlled demolition + building 7 crashed the same way just because of little fires xd
this thing is largely debated among engineers
and a few days later another isreali woke up and thought i know today il set off a car bomb in a very dense area killing 100s of people but i know il choose the only time to explode that car bomb where not 1 person is near it.
and the best day of them all where all the failing started years ago.some isrealis woke up and thought i know il fill up plastic bottles with liquid explosives to try and fool security into thinking thats its water. yea yea yea and to make it even better il poke a hole in the bottom. but before we go on the plane il dispove of the evidence in a recycling bin which was being filmed by an undercover special ant terrorist attack team.
conclusion: if u want to commit terrorism on the US for the sake of simply embaressing urselfs plz come up with something that actualy works. since the only debateable real thing uve done in 6 years is fly a plane into a building.
are you on drugs?
yes the bottle incident is true. yes the car bomb is true.
look it up urself :<
plz stop
you should be held in a mental hospital :D
brb gonna contacts my friend in the MOSSAD
prepare to get a visit from a small death squad !
1) the steel structures of the building didn't have to melt in order to make the whole structure collapse, the jet fuel fired in a temperature which easily was enough to weaken the steel core of the towers.
shame that the tower isnt just offices, 3 times at equal intervals up the tower their are special reinforced thick steal beams many ft thick. MUCH thicker than the steel used throughout the rest of the building. and if you watch the footage u can see the explosions lower down at o look the exact point of each of these 3 intervals thers is an explosion 1 after the other as the building falls.
2) what do you refer to by this "maintenance group".. It would have taken DAYS or MONTHS to prepare and place explosives in both of the towers let alone the fact you would've had to ignite them remotely
btw the maintenance group came weeks before the incadent.
the best demolition experts in the world say in interviews if you want to bring a building down like the twin towers came down the ONLY way to do that is through a controlled demolition. they demonstrated exactly what would happen if a plane flew into a big building and it wasnt even close to what happend on 9/11.
o btw everyone that made it out alive who was on the lowest floors that was interviewd . ALL said they heard VERY loud explosions after the plane hit. now enlighten me . unless every single 1 of them was lying. it wasnt like 3/4 of them said they heard explosions and 1/4 didnt. they all did
when steel (in this case that was the building foundation) meet fire its becoming weaker...
the structure is unstable
stop it dude :(
wake up and grow a brain urself u have no idea how clever the person on the other side of the PC is. and right now hes 100 % over u
you already proven your brain by saying stuff you dont know
you just discover that 9/11 was a conspiracy !
idiot...
im going to watch Dr.who
atlist 1 good thing from uk :d
and believe its the truth :D
get well mate !
but i tell it again, i'm not on the "official" or "unofficial" side of things. :P
but check my reply to cainer about the windows blowing out
edit: take it easy guys, this debation to die for :D discussing sophisticatedly isn't hard, too much flame and insulting in this community already :-)
its like kennedy .. we will never know
eminem could be onto something there,.,
First of all, why would an admin delete this? What is disrespectful about this post?
Second, don't assume so much. My best friends sister, whom I know pretty well, was at the time an employee for one of the company's inside the WTC and luckily got into work late and just got out of the subway as the 2nd plane hit so she was lucky to grab a cab the fuck out of there. We didn't hear from her until she reached her apartment again, which was hours later, so you can imagine the shit we wen't through until that time.
Im not gonna comment on the conspiracy theory as we will never know what really happened. It wasn't a bunch of arabs though and it sure as hell wasn't a bigass plane that went into the pentagon, I can tell you that much.
: DDDDDD
The president of USA is controlled by the patriots!
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooool MGS2 FTW
that is not a false statement he is a fundamental christian and does believe those things. :) he has said all this in statements and interviews.
What plane parts? Please give me one photo of the crashsite at the pentagon that shows planeparts.
Where the hell did you get the information that the wings were already partially blown off before it hit? Can you point me to anything that shows this happened and can you tell me where exactly these wings have been found? Cuz if they were partially blown off before it hit then I'm sure they didn't pulvarize in midair.
124ft wingspan does not make a 30 to 40 ft crater. In fact it would make quite a big fucking mess. Are you suggesting it torpedoed itself deep into the ground? If that's the case I bet tons of stuff is to be found then!
Rofl? Getting a signal from anything above 10000 feet is already quite a miracle.