180 turn script? | Journals | Crossfire

why not?

why not ? I think using it requires more skill thats why I think it should always be allowed to use.

more skill than just normal turn around? or because 95% users of that script are finnish?

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I prefer having an option to use turnscript with no turnspread allowing me to win a duel even when getting backraped, it requires skill as you cant just use it and get advantage but you need to know when to use.

More skilled requiring ET = The better ET

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.. get sens

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when someone is behind you with turnspread its total luck if you are able to hit or not, and especially because you are backraped its no use if you are able to turn around aim at him but not getting enough hits. i know its easy with high sens but turnspread is affecting the duel with negatively which why 180 script should be allowed.

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turnspread should be removed, completely

there isn't a single compelling argument for keeping it

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just use scripts to turn around =)

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can it be done with a cvar?

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no but such a feature could be added into etpro even by someone of my coding ability

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using lagscript,sniperscript,mortarscript was also useful and smart as u say but its forbidden. and this is totally the same shit.

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lagscripts aint they allowed now too? everyone is able to change his fps or maxpackets, I dont think its any advantage tho.

sniper scripts = most snipers still using because its better, why have lack of skill with bad settings?

mortar scripts = I dont think there was any bad with it because the same was possible to do without scripts too. But the weapon was too overpowered anyway, nothing to do with if there was scripts or not

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totally agree. you cant allow one script and not another....

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"as you say"

have you even read what he said? he said more skill = good. how do "smart and usefull" things like mortar and lagscript count as skill? -,-

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so you want to say that pressing turnscript is skilled?

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why you whine? you can use it too if you want? and still get owned.

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oh god, why do people always turn things around? all i did was point out that you can't fucking read, i didn't say anything about agreeing with him or anything else.

atleast learn how to discuss properly instead of just whining about how other people are wron :-/

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why not?

why not

why not? oO

"Craig.. Dont be an asshole -.-"
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So you stop backraping people, you lame fucker.

180 script : insta skillboost

why not ?

if you allow this script. you also have to allow lagscripts, sniperscripts and basically any other script at all that gives you an ingame advantage....

thats why not, you no brained , shit repyling fucksticks :/

it's not that its allowed it just can't be disallowed, only way to stop it (at the moment) is to check demos, which sure might work if you suspect someone in a CB game, but nobody will give a shit in random pracs

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why not?

its not

so you can ban for using it ?

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forfeit the match, if he does it a 2nd time, ban.

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yes it is, just seen it on offi
besides, squall is using it

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Quoteit's not that its allowed it just can't be disallowed, only way to stop it (at the moment) is to check demos, which sure might work if you suspect someone in a CB game, but nobody will give a shit in random pracs

squall, butchji ect ect use it i know.

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so if they use it do some sanctions for them. watching 141 vs some finnish guys and metsuri is doing it all the time.

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well, should they get treated differently to some midskill player? i dont think so , they should get warned, forfeit and banned too? ! ? !

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obviously, yes (treated the same)

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does the console state when the script is used?

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while playing, it gives you an echo

"CVAR Violation cl_yawspeed xxxxx should be in [0-40]"

or smth

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then you cant proof for using it, ppl can always say its a highsens and they are able to turn exatcly 180 with flipping their mouse over. So your yawspeed rule is useless.

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cl_noprint ftw

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if you know squall is using it then why isnt he banned yet? i saw him use it many many times, i even remember in which games and you could use the demo;s as proof.. and since when isnt it allowed?

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butchji doesnt use it :p

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Hows mamut?!

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he used it on ettv before (month or two ago) dont know if he still uses it

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he lied to me then :'-(

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idd! BAN IT! GET HIGH SENS SKILLZZZZZ :O)

(sorry noedel fella) :D

the time it takes to adjust my movement and aim to the new position takes about just as long as it would to sweep my mouse across my pad anyway ;_;

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why even bother with it then...

havent you seen noedel do it btw? he lines up his shots running backwards! then he 180 3 hs them omgwtfbbqHAxHXHAXHAHHAXHAXHAHAXHAX :O)

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:DDDDDDDDD

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coz lowsens vae wont win EC without it, instant OC premier max skill.

lowsensors should be banned@!

because it doesn't give you an advantage in firefights really :-/

if a low sens user, gets backraped, by the time he tries frantically to turn round, he's dead. but using a 180 script, it at least gives him a chance?

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gives them more than just a chance imho ;)

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even when I play with 180/45 i dont really have that problem, some pretty bad lowsensers out there it seems

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god, if your sens was too low to turn around within a second you have a disadvantage in any close range firefight ;d

and really, if the backraper has only a bit of aim you're dead before you can turn around anyways!

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agreed. but usually, a backraper is pretty low :P so, definately shouldnt be punished for being so shit and backraping, its ET !

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hahaha that was the best answer in this whole fucking journal :DD
<3 "its ET"

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Just get a higher sensivity and you won't need a script like that .

imho i dont think it should be disallowed.. its not like a mortar script or sniper script.. u still need a bit brain & skill to use it

unexpected that it is u who is whineing

it gives you an ingame advantage over someone not using a script= cant be used.

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hmm no -> someone with high sense will turn better and directly give a hs.. while i can´t controll where is hould watch after the turn

so its an advantage for lowskillers maybe

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so by that way of thinking, someone using a sniperscript against someone not using one. how would your way of thinking work?

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smth totally different

the trn script gives the low senser a chance to kill the one behind him.. but still a high senser will always be betetr at such a turn

the sniper script gives a fucking big advantage do everyone who is useing it and no one could snipe as good as someone with sniper script

atleast thats what i think

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different, agreed. but still using a script, wether its a 180 script, a sniperscript, a lagscript. theyre all dissallowed in competative et?

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ye they are disallowed.. also lag scripts are disallowed.. but who does anythign against it? no one..

think we could discuss that 100years long if a turn script should be allowed or not..

smth like: lagscript against lagger is allowed yes/no

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highsenser will get aimspread, while 180-script user wont

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hmm never heard about that

but dont u also get higher spread if u turn fast?

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try cg_drawspreadscale 2, you will see a spread indicator in the right (same as for sniper)
try highsens turn and 180-script
with high sens it will be almost full and you will hardly shoot 3hs after such a turn, until it calms down and that takes seconds, while with 180-script it wont even increase by a millimeter allowing you to instantly shoot 3hs without any spread on any distance.
that really gives an advantage for lowsensers (well, the whole turnspread shit is actually also giving them an advantage, and imo it should have been removed a long ago)
Removing the script is only possible with complete removing of +left/+right/cl_yawspeed(same as +lookdown in the sniper script times) which is impossible(?) with a help of cfg, so we need a new etpro/antipro version to disable it (chaplja help!)

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watch other replay :P

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u ll make a 180 turn better manually than without script? thats something new

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a highsenser -> yes cause u can control lwhere you aim after the turn... and directly aim on the head after the turn while the script aims randomly (180 degrees)
a low senser -> depending on which sense but propably can´t even turn 180 degrees

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the fact that you control it wont help you since a very small percent of bullets will hit where you shoot coz spread is fucking huge

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hmm i read tha other replay frm u.. with r _drawdeacls blabla

i can just tell you what i experienced when i played with a bit higher sense.. that was like 1or2 years ago:
i could perfectly make 180 dgrees on both sides (had other mosuepad !) and when i did that , it was np at all to give hs and my bullets have been where they should be (the point i aimed at).

dont remmeber exactly which sense i used. i think you will only get alot of spread if you use a sense like 16 ?

how ever.. what if:
u just out your dpi on max and play with low sense? or increase windows sense?

btw at my old times.. i think i played with 400dpi (or 600) and sense like 3 or smth..
now i play with 1.0x and 400dpi.. which is pretty hard to make 180degree + aim + be fast with it. Ofc its still possible and i could be able to give 3hs in a second.. but still that script helps alot..

well as i said to kevlar.. its an endless discussion :(

but if you could find out if high dpi + low sense = no spread.. would be nice if u tell me then :>

bb gn8

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no spread happens if mousehz is twice or more less than your ingame FPS (250fps/125hz and so on), then it wasnt just forced to 125, so you havent noticed any spread
im at hospital with aa laptop so gtfo with your mice experiments :(

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:D
hope your getting out soon ! why are u in? :(
finally gn8 now ! :P

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nothing serious, just a week check-up for the military service (stupid faggots, im studying at university and have a deferment till i finish it, but still they made me go to the hospital and now im wasting time here :E)

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FROZZ
Viewing: Checking out beAsty

HES COMING ON TO YOU! WATCH YOUR ARSEHOLE AT LAN! :D:D:D

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lol ye now im scared :P

will he even come to lan?

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hes offline only, so NOT! =D

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nice .. thought already i can´t show up on cc5 :( :P

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why?! :<

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heard frozzen is a muscle übermensch !

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that sux so hard get sens:p

make a poll and it will be disabled in antipro

PEOPLE WITH LOWSENSE USE IT. THEY WHO USE IT IN OFFIS SHOULD BE BANNED. AND KILLERBOY IF U KNOW PEOPLE WHO USE IT IN WARS, WHY DONT U BAN THEM?
SHOW SOME BALLS, INSTEAD OF JUST TALK.

THEN WE CAN GET RID OF THIS SCRIPT USERS.

Thanks.

true its handy with lowsense afaik couse your not making large movements all the time and with one button you can + it spares your mousefeet :PPPpp

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Quote chmpp on 05/11/08, 23:05:05 PM | Reply

then you cant proof for using it, ppl can always say its a highsens and they are able to turn exatcly 180 with flipping their mouse over. So your yawspeed rule is useless.

:x

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cry more noob

thats what u deserve if u camp and hope to get easy kills

To turn or not to turn...that is the question!

why not?

i pm'd a link to killerb on how to kill the wait cmd in ET with lua, but he never replied :'(

prolly cause he's a squall and butchji fanboy + he uses it himself!!!

ohhhhh. and the plot thickens! ¬.¬.

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send it to donex, prolly won't work (according to him)

squall + butchji fanboy? lol'd

check my busts

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nonsensical scripts by lacy nc makerrs

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you didnt even try it out ... the guy codes lua, you're an etadmin :DD

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dont even know how to try it out tbh :D

me in cfgs = phail with a PH!

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can i has that? :OO

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fucking whiners :D:D:D:D:
how about tj scripts?

only lowskillers use tj scripts aswell

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180 script = extra protein in bodybuilding.

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tj scripts huh?

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trickjump

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no shit

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yes shit

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well.. even if they dont give a super über advantage at all i´m sure someoen will whine about it soon and they will alos count it to disallowed scripts (or i think ti is already). And no i dont use tj scripts :D

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nonsensical script

Every script should be allowed which uses allowed commands, which pretty much means every script should be allowed.

this uses illegal command but it is allowed for a millicecond (bug) which lets it work

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why? sometimes, I have feeling like et is just about scripts.. who has more, is Big boss.. fuck all these scripts.. learn et without special scripts for sprinting, sniping, lagging,etc.. get realskill kids!

i have no scripts except for spawnpoints and classes!

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wtf how can you aim without scripts ?!?

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Ok,these scripts are ok, because dont change your aiming skill, movements etc..
Gratz, you got 10/10 points!

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i wouldnt mind it otherwise but using it results in 0 turnspread so its unfair and should be banned

agreed.

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so go ahead and ban lowsensers. this is ridiculous...

image: jhq1b9

about time lowsensers would learn to aim

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i would want to see you whining if you for example played all your life with 60 cms for 180

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not that stupid, sorry

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you cant help it but some people like me are stupid and play with that sensitivity, sorry

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that's actually not that hard to move to another sensitivity, thought it will take some time and a tempopary aimdrop
Ii had smth like 44 for 180, but now I have 40/360 and it's so much better
I set 40/360 as my new sens, but left a+vstr old sens switcher on my mouse2
first i was always shooting with mouse2 pressed, but soon i almost forgot about it and finally unbinded it.

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dude i play with around that sens for about 5 years, do you think i can play any other 1? :D

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yes, i played with that one for a few years also, it's never late to change some crap :)
yes it takes some time, but believe me, that's worth to do

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and even if i change it, you should see the biceps on my right hand, playing with super lowsens is better than going to a gym ^^

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:))
btw if you try to play with smth like sens 3 after your 1 your hand will get tired much faster, it even might hurt after a while coz of much higher concentration and more wrist control

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the big bicep is from putting your hand in your pants too often :p DONT LIE!

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disable spawntimer, class script and binds for all commands !!! KK THX !!!!

i smell whine, please make more "play with default cfg" journal...

what I dont get it is, if it's forbidden then somthing should be done vs ppl who use em. and I never heard of someone being banned or a scrim being forfeited for this ?

disscussions about wheter it should be allowed or not is another thing, but if its forbidden how come there have been no consequences so far ????

my personal thoughts about it is, yes it shouldnt be allowed, because its more usefull for lowsens ppl, who opt to have an adventage in the mid-long range, so their choice should be balanced by having a disadvantage at short distances.

Quotemy personal thoughts about it is, yes it shouldnt be allowed, because its more usefull for lowsens ppl, who opt to have an adventage in the mid-long range, so their choice should be balanced by having a disadvantage at short distances.

what the hell

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:) meaning if u choose something for its advantage (lowsense better at mid-long range), it should also come with its disadvantages (cant turn easily= sucky sucky at close range)

so something that disables said disadvantage should not be allowed.

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I dont get your logic :/
There's no ideal senstivity, and if you want to turn fast with lowsens you should make a quick sens switcher and turn YOURSELF or just increase it, but not use a script which turns straight 180 ITSELF + without any turnspread... there's no difference between a bot and a script which both dont need any human reaction and sens control, same goes to TJ scripts
Stop refusing coz you're addicted to it, a lot of lowsensers play without it and never wanted to try it

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Quote by abortlow sens != skill

it should be disallowed

what the hell is a sniperscript anyway? I'm just switching to covie whenever I feel like sniping and everyone is like "nice sniperscript". How hard can it be to shoot and pull your mouse down again?

YOU SHOULDN'T FUCKIN ALLOW HIGHER SENS OR M_PITCH!

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SO THIS IS THE THING WHY VAE WON VS MAMUT!

USE TURNSCRIPT AND YOU'RE INSTANTLY A HIGHSKILLER!

shut up u bellend

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