Veterans/ Remeberance Day
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11 Nov 2008, 20:30
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For Americans it's Veterans Day, for some of you it may be Remeberance Day. Either way one thing we can all agree on is we all owe a great deal to those who have fought for us & those who have fought & died for us so that we all can enjoy the freedoms we do today.
Thank You to all of them, no matter race, nationality or creed.
They Did Their Share
On Veteran’s Day we honor
Soldiers who protect our nation.
For their service as our warriors,
They deserve our admiration.
Some of them were drafted;
Some were volunteers;
For some it was just yesterday;
For some it’s been many years;
In the jungle or the desert,
On land or on the sea,
They did whatever was assigned
To produce a victory.
Some came back; some didn’t.
They defended us everywhere.
Some saw combat; some rode a desk;
All of them did their share.
No matter what the duty,
For low pay and little glory,
These soldiers gave up normal lives,
For duties mundane and gory.
Let every veteran be honored;
Don’t let politics get in the way.
Without them, freedom would have died;
What they did, we can’t repay.
We owe so much to them,
Who kept us safe from terror,
So when we see a uniform,
Let’s say "thank you" to every wearer.
By Joanna Fuchs
Thank you Dad (R.I.P)
Thank You Dan
And democracy was brought about by a really witty greek, and his death wasn't a requirement of democracy to perceive.
What I'm trying to get at is that... what if there were no soldiers? We would all be ruled by dictators. It's true that ceasefires are what bring about democracy but it is the soldiers that give their lives so that tyrants don't just have their way with whoever they want. All I'm saying it that we should have some respect for these people instead of joking around about the stuff they do and bashing them about it.
I respect the ones that gave life to defend others. But I do not respect the definition of a soldier because it's just a tool that shouldn't ever be created.
Politicians are representative of their people. Even in states without democracy the leaders are represent the ideology of the country. Leaders are people, and often the most patriotic within their state. Their decision to take action is representative of their state no matter how small and insignificant their voice may be (within the context of their system). Your statement is completely illogical.
“You have freedom and peace thanks to the people that give the decision to cease fire, not the ones that start it or shoot the firearm.”
What about a war where a country invaded, and proved too strong for the other? Imperialism is based on the fact European countries started wars; won them; and then altered the rights of another state. Almost every single European war is based on this fact. And yet, a country can invade another and give its people more rights. Your statement is completely illogical.
“Actually I disagree with you. Soldiers are tools that are made to provide destruction. They are tools so one country can be overcome by another. I don't really respect them. I pity for them that they were brainwashed by propaganda and joined the military system thinking that they are gonna do good stuff, give others freedom etc.
I respect the ones that gave life to defend others. But I do not respect the definition of a soldier because it's just a tool that shouldn't ever be created.”
The way you think is ridiculous. The fact you mention Greeks, and still demean the right of war is literally laughable. Democracy is an abstract concept to biological life. We're governed by natural selection, and all conflict is justified for that very reason.
Everyone is a tool of their state. Soldiers just so happen to be the pointy-edge of the stick, and to discredit their existence because they're “brainwashed by propaganda” is laughable. A state without a military, and one which followed your ideology would find itself conquered within a year. Humans fight. They've always fought. And, they will continue to fight until they're wiped out.
“If there were no soldiers at all the dictators couldn't rule because they would be immediately dethroned - they wouldn't have the tools to threat others.”
It's literally mind-numbing having to read your comments. Have you ever read one history book?
When talking about how military system I didn't mean one country but the whole world. And I surely wasn't talking about history. I agree with the eternal lust of fight imprinted in human's mind. Mind development through education is there to prevent unleashing such atavistic shit.
If you really want it we may still discuss philosophical matters but I don't think we can convince each other, and I'm not really in the mood for eristique practice...
Well, let me tell you then. I don't think something like war is something that should be joked about. So no it wasn't a joke.
So, using your own example, why did the US enter the war in Europe? The Americans and British supported Hitler early on because he abolished trade unions and spent huge amounts of money re-equipping the German army.
Perhaps, what they were doing was morally questionable, but their behaviour was within allowed the system of capitalism. And, when the war really got started they stopped 'supporting' the Germans at all. They imposed trade restrictions and subsidised/replaced supplies to help the British. It was patently obvious whose side they were on.
Why did the British enter the war, and subsequently put the British people in financial hardship for over a decade after the war ended? We threw away our empire, and millions of lives for the liberty and freedom of some Jews. Talk about an unprofitable enterprise.
[e] I know you probably know a lot and that I'm offending your intellect but care, war has always been about money, the rest is just a stage. You don't have to be a genius to figure that out by yourself. Also knowing every detail what's taught in history does not prove a thing since the system is so corrupt and most of the History is not true or molded to cover up what's really going on. I don't want to argue about this and neither do you, at least I hope so :D
Yeah UK stepped into the war for charity, they were sorry for the Jews xDDD
If the UK wouldn't step into the war Germany would have a much greater chance of winning the war and that would not be relevant to the UK's interest as they would most likely be the next target. It was profitable for the UK to stop Germany from succeding as Brits saved their own "empire" from being overcome.
And about the Jews(the most ridiculous of your statements so far) - I bet the UK government was more scared of their own butts than of Jewish ones, especially according to the fact they did nothing when Jews were heavily repressed in Germany before the war. UK was scared of Germany using full industrial power and the resources they took when occupying Western Europe.
Sorry if my english is bad, I hope you got the point.
Short poem on this one
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RIP etc
"Your name is unknown, your deed is immortal"