Banned for knowingly playing with cheaters

The following users have been banned for knowingly playing with busted cheaters such as jetro and Leppi:

parra
hunta
vis
oldensan
rezta

people who knowingly play with busted cheaters serving a ban in cf / cb will be banned from cf, make sure who you play with and consider this as a fair warning.
as it is now, the ban lenght is 3 months. these players are still available to attend cc5 if they wish.
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good job decem =)
u're the best admin
but they are cheaters anyway
haha decem played with etx-mind so FUNNY , he should ban himself too :DDDD
I also played with you, but somehow you convinced everyone that you just typed the command into your console for fun while playing on a pub so I allow myself to. !:D
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ban me too please, because no matter what... i'll keep playing with vis and others in mixes for fun... I trust vis' judgement
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vis isnt cheater so be my guest.
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but he plays with cheators, thats why you banned him you said, so if i play with him then i also play with cheators, so ban pls
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your nick is pure irony, as youre nowhere near the point.

vis is banned for playing with cheaters, not for being a cheater
you can play with him as much as you want to.
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you misunderstood me...


I never said that vis was a cheator,
i only said that he plays with cheators.. why would you ban him then else for? So if i continue playing with him, then i'll be eventually playing with the cheators that play with him... so i'm aware of it, so i deserve a ban as well

hope you understand my point now,
thanks
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I got your point, thus I'd just suggest him to stop playing with cheaters or you stop playing with him whenever he is playing with cheaters.
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i think point is just being stupid for the sake of it..i was banned for playing with a cheater ..but i was a merc..i accepted it ..unbanned myself and made a new account lol :D...good idea tho coz i like blanket punishment
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You accuse everyone that gets a headshot of hacking don't you?
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I don't realy get what you mean, do you only mean in an offi?
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no, generally playing with cb banned players will lead to you getting banned from the crossfire site for 3 months.
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So, idealy, if you play a mix or pub you would get banned?
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ban all the allies on u|k public now please! :D
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leave out pub, but basically yes, if you know that youre playing with someone who is cb banned and as a good recent example, your opponents even notify you about it.
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that is such bullshit, what a fucking stupid rule
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Bad idea, the opponents have their own free will and can chose to leave whenever they want, and this realy encourages ID faking.
This rule could work if everyone had several mixclans like you, but that is not the case.
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ehm, whats your point?
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Atleast 3 points.

- You don't have to play the cheater if you don't want to and that is where the base of all this "cheat" things starts.
- Encourages ID faking, think it is pretty obvious what it means and what the following consequences probably will be, not positive in other words.
-You yourself and probably some others have organized mixclans which you can simply play with(or join if you are not already in them, this is quite big in Finland). So this rule doesn't hinder you from playing 24/7 if you would want to do so, unlike alot of other guys.
I would encourage this rule if it was a bit modified, it would then be a step toward the more competitive games rules. But right now with this rule, it is like cutting of your finger when you are supposed to cut your nails.
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what if I play against him and I know he's busted?
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Who decides if you "KNOW" that he was busted and banned on cb?

Everyone can claim he didn't know, and it could be true, no1 can prove that afaik
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thats when it gets complicated, thus bans like these wont happen quite often, but this definitely wasnt the first occasion.
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How do you check if the guy "knew" that he played with banned people?
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I suck dicks and I like it :)
banned from what? just the website?
just the website, if they are to go to cc5, they are free to.
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Ban anyone who has cheated in the past aswell
ok :) just double checkin
didnt want to try n get a 6th at the last minute :)
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there wont be many players left?
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ill be here :D:D
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Vis is a fine man
damn true thing!
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ban alexl aswel? hasn't happened 3 times know, dont tell me hes friends with admins?

edit: expected ignore
I see what you did there :)
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I dont know what youre talking about, maybe if it wasnt in engrish..
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maybe that he played 3 cups with [nC] jocke, nothing big tho
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well im sorry to say but I didnt know that, neither do I know the whole case.
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your not the first admin that ignored it, but if you didn't know nvm my whine then
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ban everyone who played with a cheater!!!
bb everybody!
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A fine line...
Mad man! You will kill us all!

But I guess it is worth it, hope those donks would think twice before installing botzhizzles.

One week ban or...?
3 month as thats what sheep got for playing with raskl.
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where did sheep play with raskl btw?
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signed up for a summercup team with afaik, got banned before the cup anyway. but i sear raskls been unbanned for ages before summercup. maybe i'm wrong.
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Sheep should have got a longer ban as he knew he was playing with cheaters and openly admitted to it.

edit: Topic title "Banned for playing with known cheaters"

Awaiting a Journal Title: "Banned for Knowingly playing with cheaters"
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* should have been killed for it
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I wouldnt go to that extreme but heh ;)
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Thomm on 19/11/08, 01:54:06

QuoteBut I guess it is worth it, hope those donks would think twice before installing botzhizzles
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This temp/ban is for playing with so called cheaters, not for installing botzhizzles as you call them.

Have to laugh as Vis ban btw, he is cool, who has the time to check if people have cheated in the past if your spamming mIRC as an available merc for a bit of fun when bored.
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Yes, I realized. But you didn´t realize that I ment that it could prevent players installing bots because no one would play with them, not even funwars, if they get busted some day.
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oO ... What happens if some old clanmate was busted once, but is playing without hack .... (what obviously noone believes)^^

Fail

image: boogieboardfaceplantav6
i've actaully seen that happen IRl was VERY the loLZ
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Happens daily in australia imo :-P
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Would love to see the rest of that
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the prolly cries :D
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idd, we've been accused a lot because on of our players got busted, they only whine about the old yawn from more than 2 years ago, but cba to check on cb to see that he already served his ban ...
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I play a lot with zeto....
no doubt that he is cheating but as it is now, he is not banned on cb / cf.
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like you can always be sure your mates are hacking or not -_- i mean, it turned out that one of the players of a former clan of me, who I play a few cb games with n stuff was hacking and I think I knew it as much as almost everyone who plays with hackers.
there is a difference between a random public bot and a private one
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nothing to do with what snoop ment -.-
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are you really this stupid?? :DDDDD
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i think there is a difference between playing with known cheaters who obvoisly hack and play with mates who you cant be sure about.
there should be difference in the rule..
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Its just impossible to decide wheter some1 knew his mate was cheating/had a cb ban...
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lol they were all on the vent channel below us :) + mize
hunta banned cause he knowingly played with a cheater? Weird.
he got banned for playing with himself
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:D:D made my morning
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Think about it.
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k cool see you in 3 months
Just wondering how you proof that anyone of the banned users knowingly played with a cheater?
CF watches all your moves fool!
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oldensan? :L
:D

edit: ban mama for playing with cheaters ;D::D;D::DDDD:D;D:D
vis is cool. btw he said that u should check once more if u banned MAYBE innocent ppl ... at least 2 names seem not to be correct (talked to vis yesterday after the ban.)
Ban all homos who are playing with smokeninja!

Mind
Sample (LoL banned already xD)
Donka
Vanhaomena
and who the fuck you are?
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vanhaomena is kinda obvious !
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yep, i have heard that he is going to get cbban because of sniperscript
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lol why did u ban vis, he's oldschool rtcw no way he'll play with cheaters without knowing it....
rofl what a rule
And another desperate strike by decem, well done lol.
I guess some1 just got raped.
how do you judge they knew? the whole team overload played with jetrom what makes you think they didnt know? i think neither of them will admit they know.. how does this work plz explain?
ban whole ovr team ofc,boy this is going to be fun! =D
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for those who were asking how did I know they played with him(them) knowingly; http://dec.pp.fi/stats/08-11-19-0138-team1-vs-KTA.html - messagelog should speak for itself.

ps. jetro reseted his stats few seconds before the end of round.
most damage given 14028 chmpp
FAKE
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waiting for ovr ban
Ok so FF X-Fi played with so called cheater gnajda, when he got banned the whole team got banned for "knowingly playing with a cheater". Now overload played with cheater Jetro, he got banned and overload gets a free pass (yeah they didn't know obviously).
its bit different case, but instead of trying to explain it, i'm gonna use the ultimate reasoning... they werent polish so no need to ban them.
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i dont think you could explain :) coz you dont have any logs of the players of FF x-fi where they say they know they play with a cheater. (atleast to my knowledge).. many people had doubts as to if gnajda was cheating and still today have as their was no valid proof for his ban.

all you have is some crossfire post of wrobel who says" you have butchji we have gnajda" which was just ment as a joke.

anyway keep the "polish" funnies coming
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not quite, but as I said, im not really interested in trying to explain it to you.
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ok professor
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another ovr lover, oh dear...
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if youre being serious, you couldnt get much more lost in the forest.

ps. http://dec.pp.fi/misc/czar.html
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to bad it's more then 1 year ago but hey,Prob PB's fault! i would make a poll if i were you!
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what's pb's fault? poll about what? youre not really making sense
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overload didn't play with jetro when he cheated, since jetro got busted yesterday( again thou)
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You just show your maturity
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my dicky hurts ;<
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i love decem<33333

ps. why oldensan?
he was playing with jetro one mix
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:XD JUSTICE!
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ive played with Phil (rasKl) you gonna ban me?
if you plan to continue playing with him, then yeah.
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But, for this instance, Phil doesnt use cheats any more, hes helped out tosspot, killerboy etc, so even if i play with him still whats that?

Also i bet 80% of the community have/still play with cheaters its rediculous
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yeah, he has only been making them for the masses and working for nc. you can ask him if he has fullfilled what tosspot asked him to in order for him to get unbanned & able to play again.
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Yeah, but im also saying that why are you banning particular people like parra?
I mean how did parra know he was cheating?
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you may read the logs from the stats that I posted. I'm jay.
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every1 here played once with a cheater bann everyone
I have played against them lots, not WITH them.
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love these dicktators
it's a good statement to stop cheater going on playing.
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im playing with M3RC, will i get banned? :DA:DD:D
ban defix guys, they plays with known cheater, hevimies
I smell a massive reduction in not banned crossfire users incoming...

And how can you prove they "knowingly" played with cheaters? I know people here who have been banned because they unknowingly took a cheating merc who was busted during the game....
check the logs from the stats. theres a difference between banning people for taking a merc that happens to cheat during that match and taking a busted, cb banned player and keep on playing with him even if opponent notifies about it.
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ok, that sounds kinda fair then, in theory...however I dont know many people who have the time to check on cb to see if the guy who is mercing with them is busted...fakenicks are a factor also. Plus you can rarely prove "knowingly", so the rule is kinda from the middle ages..
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apparently the opponent decided to play against them anyway. shouldn't that be punished as well?
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sure meight.
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n1 avoiding the topic at hand.

it's a stupid rule but then again this site is such a wonderful mess anyway.
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I'm not into such conversation with you, especially not on xfire.
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aaaaaaaaaw :/
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i shared a pillow with an known hacker (NO U R NOT IMO)
if im not the hacker, who are you sharing the pillow with!?
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ehehehhe busted :(

u werent there!!! and now me has to sleep with a girl in one room. no decem again.... or...?!
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I was there, but you were so shy!

will see, will see, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4pIxnuUG1k !
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i cant open at work. :/
im sorry im shy.... pls u were shy too as we met first time. ;)
but we had a nice day then. omg omg im so freaking around allrdy when i think about. its just 1 month to go... ;)
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So basically you have to make sure to take notice of each ban being done on CB and CF in order to not play with a possible busted cheater, otherwise you'll get a ban on CF, but spammy idiots like Loekino are still welcome on the site.

I just had to rofl at this stupid rule.
well theres no way to follow who has been banned from cf as a cheater so one should just check cb, but ideally they would be banned in cf aswell.
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it's a stupid rule. You are not going to check on CB or CF if some tard in a mix you play is being banned on CB/CF or not. And besides, that log shows that the oppo alerted them they were cheaters before the game starts, and yet they still played vs them. Same shit different pile.
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it is always nice to win against cheaters.. that's why they played against him and i bet 1 reason was to collect enought proofs to ban them, because if they had quit they couldn't know if Parra etc. continued playing with jetro.
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They would've had enough proof if they still wanted to play after they were told that they were playing with a banned cheater.

I think the bigger problem is in fact that ppl remain playing versus known/busted cheaters. IF you simply don't play versus them anymore they have nobody to play against, which would make it quite boring.

I'm not totally against the fact that you ban ppl based on them knowingly playing with cb-banned players, but you can't always know for every random mix you play. Besides that it also has some situtations such as someone playing a mix with tekoa or aza. Should they be banned on CF for playing with them?
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aza and tekoa weren't banned for cheats
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thus I didnt just instantly ban them, I told them whats the situation and they ignored me. the whole point is about people knowing that they play with a cb banned cheater.
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What if you caught someone playing in a mix with tekoa or aza?
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Neither of them are/were banned for cheating.
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They are/were CB banned, or does this rule only count for CB/CF banned ppl that are banned because of cheating?
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banned because of cheating.
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Hmmm.. I still think the rule will affect ppl that should not be affected. Take someone like fost or lunatic for instance. They got busted cuz of playing with an obvious hack on a public. Should ppl they have been friends with for years and played with for years suddenly stop playing at all with them? I for one would think that they were stupid to play with a hack on a pub but would also realise that their intention would never be to cheat in an actual 6on6 competition game, and would simply continue playing with them. Hell, I HAVE played with them in mixes during their CB bans and did not feel anything wrong with that. It's the cheaters in competitive games (6on6 3on3 etc) that we want to get rid of, right.

Thing is, we shouldn't care so much about a cheater on a public. It's annoying but that's about it. But a cheater in a 6on6, be it a mix or prac or offi, is a different thing and should be treated different.
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and if you really think deeper into it, the public cheaters are the reason the game is not getting new players anymore, thus leading it to die.

think of your example, just cuz they are nice guys, they shouldnt be punished at all? wow, a 3 month ban at cb to inactive guy who doesnt play competive besides random mixeds, shit he must be so mentally broken that he cant play for 3 months.
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I never said they shouldn't be punished, but I don't think that their friends should be for playing with them. If they were busted during a competitive game, then sure.. but not when their friend got busted with a random hack on a random pub. And besides that I think it's way too farfetched to think that cheaters on publics are the reason why there are no new players going into competitive play. There were tons of cheaters on publics years ago and that never stopped ppl then from going into competitive play. Pubs and competitive play are two different worlds.
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I do not share same opinion at all.
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no shit sherlock.
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I’d say you’ve to presume they’ve used hacks in competition if they’re caught hacking on a public.

Don’t have a decent analogy to hand, but say if you’re found drunk in your car, the keys might not be in the ignition, but the fact you’ve got the keys with you there’s a presumption you’re going to drive…

(Disclaimer you can’t perm ban anyone, so draconian bans, to me, seem counterproductive. Better to try to get them to play clean rather than push them further outside so it’s “fuck it”.)
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That's just being presumptuous. I know tons of ppl that used a hack on a public just for the fun of it to try it out or when having a stupid night with their friends on vent. It's absolutely ridiculous to think they would cheat in competition just cuz they got caught hacking on a pub.

The analogy with the drunk guy in a car is also easily debunked. What if the guy got out of the bar cuz it was closing, realises he's too drunk to be driving so he gets in his car to sleep. Ofcourse he's going to have his keys with him but he's just in his car sleeping it off. Done that tons of times and also got knocked on the window by a cop, whom I simply told "can't drive atm, so I'm taking a sleep first".
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Yeah the presumption was intentional… are the people you know not the exception that prove the rule?

Problem is you can’t apply mates rates, it’s gotta be applicable to everyone – so you’re against banning those that cheat on publics?

I think you’ve to draw the line and say no, that’s not acceptable, that’s malicious and we won’t have it. Host a private server with pb turned off if you want a fun night of hacking. I’m not suggesting perm bans, but there’s gotta be something preventative and something punitive or what’s the point? Sliding scale ‘n all that jazz.
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QuoteYeah the presumption was intentional… are the people you know not the exception that prove the rule?


That made no sense. You said that we have to assume that people that cheat on pub also cheat in competition. I say that that is bullshit and gave the example of knowing tons of ppl that have cheated on a pub once or twice and would never cheat in a competition game, ever. So I dont really get what your point is when you say the presumption was intential and the people I know are the exception that prove the rule.

QuoteProblem is you can’t apply mates rates, it’s gotta be applicable to everyone – so you’re against banning those that cheat on publics?


I'm not applying mates rates, I'm seperating pubs from competition and ofcourse I'm not against banning ppl that got caught cheating on a pub, but ban them on the pubserver and not somewhere that has fuck all to do with that pub-server.

QuoteI think you’ve to draw the line and say no, that’s not acceptable, that’s malicious and we won’t have it. Host a private server with pb turned off if you want a fun night of hacking. I’m not suggesting perm bans, but there’s gotta be something preventative and something punitive or what’s the point? Sliding scale ‘n all that jazz


I think pubcheats are taken way too seriously. It's the cheats in competition games we should worry about, not the silly and way too obvious pubhacks. There is nothing to gain from hacking on a pub, except satisfying a mischievous itch. There IS something to gain from hacking in competition and that's what sites such as CB and CF should be after.
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Phew, I never played with cheaters (A)
ban meez, he blatantely plays with himself multiple times a day :XD
this is horse poo. ban everyone might aswell
This time decem, you have tried to be too good admin and you failed.
Sorry to ruin your diss but this has been Crossfire policy for quite some time already. These guys are not the first to have been banned for playing with cheaters.
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agree..i got banned for merc'ing with them ..:(
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ok, then you tried to be too good admin long before.
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good rule
half of the posters here are fucking idiots. can't you understand the point? Those guys who got banned played with jetro YESTERDAY after the got banned, ovr didnt know at that time that jetro cheated cause he wasn't banned or obvious, FF guys played with gnajda, who was obvious like hell and they defended him. Read the logs that decem posted, they warned those guys but they still kept playing.
jetro busted, unexpected.
Good rule, good decision. Like said before, there is a difference in playing with a random cheating merc without knowing it and knowingly play with a busted/banned player. These guys obviously knew they were playing with jetro, who has also, just been busted/banned and thus they knowingly played with him, deserving such a ban.
would have been better if u had made some warnings about new rules before u use them. altough its a good rule =)
its not a new rule, it just hasnt been used much as not often there are situations where you can be sure that people are knowingly playing with the cheater.
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at least i havent heard of it, though i dont know anything about whole ET scene :o)
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Really great rule! It's by playing with the cheaters we keep them in the game.

Hoera for crossfire
I agree with decem because there are a lot of players out there that knowingly playing with cheaters & suspicious players and they think it’s “cool”. Playing with cheaters shows them support and they will continue to do so but if we all decided to stop playing with “that guy” then he would have nobody to play with thus meaning they will get bored and leave or maybe even buck their ideas up and stop hacking. On the other hand we need to take in account for example who is a hacker? or who is suspicious? well in my opinion don’t play with players known around the community who are known for such things. Looking back at gnajda’s case he was a hacker but the whole team had to suffer. If you are with somebody when they commit a crime you will be arrest to. In finishing I want to say that I have noticed a rise in people playing with ex-cheaters and suspicious players why is this? I guess it’s just a new gaming fashion.
your not going to play with me nemore?
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nah he needs his browney points :p
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And btw.. you can allways check that who you r playing with! So this rule is good! Rly good. Gj Decem :)
gay decision, die from aids while raped by chimpanzees.
Thats fucking over the top. You will have to ban all .be players cause they probly played with him!

OTT 2 Teh MAX
I think point #1 is that he is CB/banned, and people should not play with cb banned people, and if they play they receive a ban for crossfire, not a big deal they still can continue playing with them, they even can visit crossfire but their accounts are just banned, if they wish to take it that way, its their choice but its stupid to whine about this "rule" cause it only makes community better and does not even harm anyone

+ all be. players didnt knowingly play with him because he was busted 2-3 days ago. thats the difference leol
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Didn't parra get busted too?
lol parra
btw i played with emortal while he was busted.
hahaha this cant get any funnier
I hope this stays as a policy
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