need advise on new PC
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2 Dec 2008, 17:44
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Hey crossfire members,
I am going to buy a new PC, but I don't know much about them.
I have picked some stuff, so I would like some people to look at it and give me advise on what I need to upgrade/downgrade to save money/improve performance.
Processor Intel Core 2 Duo E8600
O/S MS Vista Home Basic 32bits SP1
Mobo ASUS P5Q-E,s775
Memory Corsair 4096MB,DDR2
Hard drive Samsung 750GB
As for graphic card im undecided between the GTX260 and the ATI HD4870
I prefer nvidia cards, but the GTX has 896mb and the HD4870 has 1GB and is cheaper, so not sure yet.
Any form of help is greatly appreciated.
I am going to buy a new PC, but I don't know much about them.
I have picked some stuff, so I would like some people to look at it and give me advise on what I need to upgrade/downgrade to save money/improve performance.
Processor Intel Core 2 Duo E8600
O/S MS Vista Home Basic 32bits SP1
Mobo ASUS P5Q-E,s775
Memory Corsair 4096MB,DDR2
Hard drive Samsung 750GB
As for graphic card im undecided between the GTX260 and the ATI HD4870
I prefer nvidia cards, but the GTX has 896mb and the HD4870 has 1GB and is cheaper, so not sure yet.
Any form of help is greatly appreciated.
take xp tho.
and what caused you to rofl if i may ask?
hmm...
srsly i use it and its fucking awsome :D
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will be even better with your 4gb ram ;)
i would switch mobo to gigabyte :(
im a fan of them and they are rly strong :p
good luck, tithadesh
edit: spend money on cooling of course !
but more programs supports 32 bit
32bit applications (as the most games) will run in a virtual environment, this will slow down any 32bit app.
There are only a few "real" 64bit apps out there, mainly in the professional sector.
The only real benefit till now is the native support of more RAM and the biggest benefit for sure are the driver problems with certain hardware.
download now vista ultimate sp1 64bit
buy computer without o/s
and when you get your computer install the disc you burn with vista on it
and i can tell you this
i use many many programs and games and i never encounter any problems with that o/s
believe me :)
you buy from store yea?
you pay a bit extra cash for them to assamble it yea?
just tell them you already have o/s D: so you dont need to buy one
nice picture
now we put to the test if sol going to give you warning points !!!
HD4870 currently performs badly under CF / x2 CF, dont know if its due to drivers problem, but be warned
He doesn't want to spend much money I quess, so why would he buy 2x 260GTX.
+ he shouldn't take a E8600.
for the e8600, its currently the most powerfull 775 socket CPU on the market, and OC like a tigerrrr (except for extreme, but they overpriced)
if he really have the money he should get it because there wont be any other 775 socket CPUs afaik ^^
so go with the hd4870
what the hell do you think i wanna do with it? :P play WoW ofcourse!
If money really isn't a problem take:
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550
XFX GTX280 XXX
GigaByte X48T-DQ6
HAHAHADHADADHADDAHADHA
I was going to find a TV show that has a character that is laughing as manically as I am right now to take a screencap and post here but honestly I don't think in the history of television that has ever happened.
Q5550 ==> 300€
Take good P45 mobo and E8400 ...
but as overview, which parts do you think need an upgrade? only the mobo? guess i should get a 1gb mobo if i understand what you are saying. graphic card doesnt have to be best of the best, but i heard that the GTX cards are good enough for nearly any game and this ATI card seems to be nearly equal. problem with better gfx cards is that the prices go up really fast and you can barely notice difference so then it feels like wasting money, tho I can afford it if needed.
and go for the ATI, it can max out every game except crysis on high
yeah overclocking is not really something im planning to do. so maybe 2x HD4870 is a good idea then, that would suffice for my needs anyway
22" => HD4850
More prefer HD4870 and even more prefer HD4870X2
HD4850GS is often good, HD4870 if you want something better.
Need power supply for:
e8400
hd4850
msi mainboard
I don't know if BeQuiet straight power 400watt (60€) is enough ;/
€ 89,90*
is it any good?:(
60€
I use only silent component for cooling that's proabbly why :D
haha, waste of money 8D!
I only have a 550W (Antec) but in fact I have :
2 overclocked HD4850 (CrossFire)
Asus P5Q-E
2 Raptor 36 Go @ RAID 0
1 Seagate 7200.11 500 Go
2 Go OCZ Platinum DDR2 overclocked to ~900MHz (4-4-4-12)
Intel C2Q Q6600 overclocked to 3,6GHz, with an OCZ Vendetta fan on.
Creative X-Fi Xtreme Audio
many persons overrate the power supply, unnecessarily ofcourse.
hf :p, and you've got a problem=> pm me !
EDIT : actually hd4850 is better price/quality
rofl, wat?
And it appears that he's looking for amazing perfs, so the HD4850 doesn't really fit to what he'd like, although it delivers good stuff.
- better take the HD4870
- don't buy your O/S. If you really wAAAAAnt to buy it : take XP SP3.
- the mobo you want looks a bit useless compared to what you want to plug in... would go for a MSI P35 Neo Combo-F here !
- 4Go of ram is useless, you should better buy 2Go of highly perfoment RAM (OCZ? - DDR2 ofcourse, dual channel, timings : 4-4-4-12, 800MHz or higher)
- About the harddrive... you'd better buy : a WD Raptor 36 Go for your OS and your favorite game & a 500 Go (Either Seagate 7200.11, either Samsung F1) for your other things (musics, etc)
duo > quad for gaming any time, even in the future(unless its e8400)
NOOOOOOOOO dont take the msi :D omg i bought it, only troubles, switched it twice, it's freaking shit ^^
Raptor is overated now. Prefer Asus P5Q / Gigabyte P45 for mobo, PCIE 2.0 support and P45>P35 in term of OC.
PCI-E 2.0 doesn't change many things afaik, you'd win, what, 5 fps ?
+ Raptor are maybe still overpriced but it's still one of the best harddrive out there right now.
P45 isn't not so expensive P5Q = 120€ / EP45 = 100€ seems useless now to buy P35.
Windows 7's going to be out in, more or less, one year. How much time for the fixxed version ? Let's say 2 years and it's going to be fine... until then... 2Go are REALLY enough
duo > quad because people are speaking about the old-generation quadcores. Have a look at the recent ones, it's better than duocores in many many things, including games.
Also had this MSI, never had any problems with it...
overclocking... that has always seemed to me something that only die-hard gamers do, so im not sure if i dare to do it.
4gb ram useless? can you explain why? and also if I take 2gb is TWINX a good thing or not? (shit is so confusing...)
will take a betetr mobo i guess since alot of people say I should.
as for the 2 harddrives, what is the advantage of taking 2 small ones rather than 1 large one?
sorry for not knowing shit and thanks for taking time to help
memory = since you are using XP, it wont take over 1 or 2 GB of memory, since it doesn't support it, but vista / windows 7 does
Overclocking consists in making one of your component better, via the BIOS in most of the cases. The most overclocked components are (in order) : CPU, gfx & ram.
e.g. : To overclock your CPU, go to the BIOS, find the right mitre and increase the FSB = your CPU will end having an higher frequency. But don't forget that it has its limit !
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4Go ram is useless because : XP & Vista blocks to 3 Go (well, 2 for XP but there's a software so you can see 3Go on your screen :D), + you'll NEVER manage to use them entirely... tbh, I can't use my 2 Go entirely...
I don't know TWINX so can't really tell you... go to some famous webjournals and read articles about it ! OCZ & Corsair are doing good products.
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as you want for the mobo, both are fine. The only difference is the chipset (P45 for Asus, P35 for MSI : maybe you've guessed, but it's better for overclocking and stuff) and the number of slots for pci-e/sata components. But there's also the price ! :p
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A "large" disk won't go fast enough (that's my opinion) for the O/S, especially if you take Windows, above all if you choose vista. That's why I proposed you the Raptor for the "speed", and the Seagate for the "large&quality".
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Did I miss a question ?
what i advice:
E8500
HD4870X2
GA-EP45-UD3P (not entirely sure)
4gb memory
enermax modu 82+ 625W (or more W, not 100% sure)
GA-EP45 ==> P5Q Pro
500W enough for PSU, and a good cooling like Noctua NH-U12 or smthing like that.
Sounds nice like that imo :D
same here, i suck at this
btw lol comment 69 : DDDDDD
dode rally tonight? =D I'll bring PSO ook. Defeated eindbaas @ hard. Pure win.
thanks for all the help anyway, i will try to make something nice out of it :p
but I might stop playing actually : (
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