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nice place to discuss this subject

well, i think so. this subject is close to et too. and anyway, here are many of much more useless journals than this one

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nice place to discuss this subject

Do I care?

do I know?

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what do you want, russification?

no, I want to dont have any significant "XXX_ation"

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People will have words like that for every movement to come. If you would undo that process, people would talk of "antiamericanization" or "europation" or so. If there wouldn't be globalization, there would be nationalization. I don't see your point.

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its again here : you vs me :D
in my opinion we should save our traditions (well, save or lost, dont exchange).. dont see anything good about copying traditions of anyone else

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So talking more english and celebrating christmas more with Santa + decoration in US-style automaticly means you throw away your own traditions?

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there are more ways how we are getting their traditions - but well.. we are loosing something of us

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so what was the style we had? Ded Moroz? communism?

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we had - and fortunately still have - traditions from age BEFORE CCCP occupying us

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and why, oh, why would we want to keep it that way? that's why we're abandoning them, we don't want them any more

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Quote traditions from age BEFORE CCCP

..it was here BEFORE russians.. and abandoning cccp traditions? yes,sure

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Like what? Give examples, otherwise you're just shooting with rubber bullets. I do think your right in a way, but that's how the world works.
Humanity is constantly adapting and evolving, in language as well as cultural aspects. And yes, although I don't like to throw my own traditions away, I think in the end the adaptation and evolving is a good thing, because mankind wouldn't be mankind without that.

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Quoteadaptation and evolving is a good thing

I have to agree with you. But imo it doenst have in common anything with traditions.
What we are loosing? Our language (just a little), christmas, style of music,clothes, behaving .. and many more :XDDD

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Like I said, it's the human nature to adapt and evolve to the best possible model available to them. It is better for any culture/nation/race to adapt to the best one in order to get better yourself. Meaning you adapt to something else doesn't have to mean that you're loathing your own traditions though!
I mean here in NL there are more and more people who decorate their houses with Santa christmas decoration stuff, but that doesn't mean they don't know or disregard the idea that christmas is based around the birth of Jesus.

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well,i am not so sure about people are envolving to best model.. just the most pleasant at the moment..

e: well,so decoration style changed..

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most pleasant at the moment = best model

Also, traditions and cultural aspects are dynamic. They originated at some point and there were most likely other traditions before that again. It's all just a natural thing.

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English comes from england and santa comes from the northpole. No discussion here.

Santa comes from Finland

Korvatunturi you froggie! Americans have fooled you to the north pole.

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No, santa claus comes from Denmark

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Greenland, which is the country closest to the Northpole! It is just you finns that are confused :P

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basicaly yes. but if there were not any USA, we wouldnt care about santa. they are (or we are ^^) replacing our tradition their

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Santa has been around way before US started to raise his head. And commercialization (is that a real word?) isn´t just an american thingie or their fault, it is just that people have more money to spend and more freetime than they used to have.

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well,it fact santa "was here" before USA doesnt mean anything. it comes to us (who didnt have santa before) from USA
and even people with lot of money can behave wise

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dont get your point, santa claus is an old european character, at least the basic idea of it

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as i told once already.. it doesnt mean anything where it came from the first.. the important is, where is it expanding now

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no idea what you're on about, christmas for me is still about jesus and not santa claus

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Santa Clause is based on Saint Nicholas, who was of European fame before he was "translated" to the figure he is today.

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Sure, but I don't see the bad thing about it. If people wouldn't like it or would care, they wouldn't accept it.

cant agree with you

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Then explain.

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its about psychology of people.. they see it everywhere.. it attacs their subconscious

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i think it sucks
yes, it is here
no, i dont agree with it

+1

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well imo ppl want to earn more money, by selling more christmas stuff, would you like to buy a christmasthingy *<) or a statue of maria?:D

so who to blame?

its consumption. it - particaly - comes here from USA too.. but we would have it even without USA.. but it doesnt mean anything on fact it sucks..
i personaly dont care about having much money, there are more important things ( lol, it sounds like i am monk xD )

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well tbh it's not just america;)

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yea

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one thing that grinds my gears is when sites have the language options English (US) English (UK). they're not two different fucking languages.

the other thing is on websites you can no longer say that you are from england, only that you are from the uk.

whats the different between saying that you are from uk and that you are from england?

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uk = england+wales,northern ireland and scotland -_-

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ah,in this way.. but well.. many countries have some parts..

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UK = United Kingdom = Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland (as a collective group)
England = England.

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Well that's a problem of your history.

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imo it would be nice if everyone could speak english... partly because I was out skateboarding when the other kids were learning other langs :p =)

yeah,its language, but what about santa,comsumption,McDonalds ( XD ) etc?

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aslong as I can wear my santasuit with nothing under and get wasted once a year, I dont give a flying pancake

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whats good about santasuit?

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Nothin, im bad santa

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AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!

well, they are like world police and it sucks :D

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but still: AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!

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no,just fuck america

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coming here, to save the motherfucking day YEH

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I don't really get the link to americanization.
religion loses its importance in the western world so you end up with what we have now. consumption only and noone actually cares about jesus.

hm?

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on another side afaik the Christentum is getting more important in Amerika

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JEZUS >>> SANTA !!!

+3.14

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+3.141592

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+3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105
beat me withou hax :D

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3,141592653589793238462643383279

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haha,i won :P

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Santa always was and always will be bigger than Jezus, cause people tend to believe that presents are much more appealing than going to church.

baby jezus gives gifts 2

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baby Jezus only received gifts

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we are getting gifts from baby jezus

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santa is much cooler than a bastard jew anyway....

read what you just wrote and gtfo

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ironically jewish people don't believe in Jezus

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thats bad :(
they r still waiting for a one

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christmas is commerce and usa sucks :<

wasnt so in the past

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but it is now, and thats not america's fault.

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whose then?

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ppl in europe who want to make a lot of money...

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what he sais.

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its good we can communicate in one language makes things easier and nicer.. so dont be sad. "we are talking about santa, instead of baby jesus" i dont know which country you r from, but in poland take talk about baby jesus xD. and style of decoration didnt change. atleast not in my life time.. true we eat in mcdonalds.. but the food is nice so care, we listen to american music and watch their movies, their movies are very shit lately, so i dont watch it.. same a lot of this commercial music.. i love othher countries cineame over what comes from hollywood in the cinema lately.. i love music form around the world more then the american pop.. it just annoys to hear shit music and see shit hollywood movies being advertised so much.. but i just look away or turn the radio off or change the channel. whatever the majority likes becomes popular, so if we like american shit we will americaniase. i am not americanisesing other then eating at mcdonalds sometimes.. but i prefer healthy greek food Lolz

ye really nice too eat burger made out of shit :p

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thats the funny thing .
Thats why im eating KEBAB all the time, if i wanna some fast food.
Its more healzhy afaik

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i rarely eat fast food at all, try to avoid it

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me too

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ok - language,its ok
i am from czech.. we are still talking in here about baby jezus but style of decoration of houses (appearing from outdoor) changed.. even when people believe in baby jezus, they have santa on garden or smth like that shit
as i see, you are against americanisation .. so.. +1 for you

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You have no idea what the +1 is about, do you?

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well, i have an idea.. MINE IDEA..

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Like about everything else.

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well, I am not ashemed of my opinions

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yea americanazition sux

you also play QW

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whats that?

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disscussed this subject 2 much @ school,

lucky you

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well. globalisation is for a great part also westernisation wich is mainly americanisation. But actually we did only get better from it.. so dont see the point u are actually willing to make

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so you are lucky you get better from it..

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yes ofc lol, why i should become sad panda if i become better of it and not harming anyone with it

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:d

mr.America :<

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were all living in america, coca cola sometimes war

America is wunderbar.

..oh,wait.. NO ..

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COCA COLA WUNDERBAR

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kofola > coca cola :o

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Und wer nicht tanzen will am Schluss
Weiss noch nicht dass er tanzen muss

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Ded Moroz> Santa
and our xmas is on 7th January :p but i never celebrate xmas anyway..dont even care about it :p

31 january is russian x-mas, best year party!
and yes, Ded Moroz is teh best!

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all > santa

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in Russia the people ar speaking about Europaisation

it has nothing to do with america, it's the world

what are you talking about? :D

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americans are stupid!

+1

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wise man speaking to the fools! hallelujah!

A countermove was on the way while Bush was president: People started hating Bush in general and US secondary.
Now Obama has chosen, Americanisation will increase once again.
Just look at the economical crysis nowadays (lol, couldn't resist it ;P)

so what do you mean? that there wasnt americanisation? It was here..

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Possibly there are more agnostic/athiest families out there then truly religious, they would not celebrate the way a Christian does so you shouldn't expect them to. Possibly there are more people who know how to speak English nowadays because they want to communicate with a dominant language. Only a few are more spoken: Mandarin (lol good luck learning that), Hindustani, and Spanish. English and Spanish are the only ones in that list spoken around the world. Most people 25 and under in the US understand at least a little basic Spanish. Why? Because millions of Mexicans whether they want to or not immigrate to the US a year. Do we call it Mexicanisation when we have to learn Spanish in school? The ignorant do, the rest of us call it adaption.

well,its not just about language + having one language to be able to communicate.. but it shouldnt influence speaking IN single countries..

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Well if someone truly wanted to learn a different language the best way is immersion. One language will take over eventually and the rest will most likely be forgotten, such is the way of evolution.

I've personally never been outside the US so I cannot respond to your specific situation. I can say though that this brings me back to Spanish influencing the US... which is about the same from what I can gather. I have no problem with it since knowing more then one language does not hurt anyone and if Spanish takes over it wouldn't be in my lifetime, which is probably the same for you.

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I am not afraid of lost of my language, because it will not happen (or atleast in near future). However we are loosing it a little because of english. Anyway I like learning new languages - but I still love my one most and I would never give it up xD

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america sucks because they want to take over the world(EVEN WITH CHRISTMAS DECORATIVES AND SANTA taking over babyjesus FFS), but gotta love the chicks from us( with fastfood theywill go fat fast but so far so good)

our last hope is they will all die because of they will be so fat

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unfornatly after that we will still have the middle easterns the coreans and the soviets trying to take over the world

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+ chinese..
..well, there will be ever someone who wants to take over the world.. but its about protection, not about letting them die xD

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i just wanted to say plz dont hurt pt you all spend ur holydays here =D

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:DD

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Santa will bring you a new etbot greenie !

u also forgot halloween

It´s here since ww2, nothing special.

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