Murderer in kinder crèshe
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24 Jan 2009, 17:17
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I just still can't believe what happened. For those who aren't interested in reading long stories, I'll try to give a summary:
On Friday, a crazy
Belgian RETARD killed 3 people in a kinder crèshe in Sint-Gillis, East-Flandres. He just entered the day care, pulled a knife and started stabbing babies, children and crèche workers. He killed 2 babies and one worker. 10 babies and 2 workers were taken to the hospital. After he did that, he drove with his bycicle away. Just an hour later, the police arrested this person.(Full story in English: http://www.deredactie.be/cm/de.redactie.english/news/090123_stabbing_daycare )
This man, only 20-years-old, must be locked for his entire life in prison. What do you think about it?
No need of typical crossfire reactions, this isn't something to laugh about. I'll just ignore them.
CARE LOL BAN
anyway, agree on such a tard, first news on cnn was like "belgium doesnt know what to do since they never had a schoolstapping like in the us or elsewhere in europe". Lets hope your politicians arent as stupid as the germans and blaming pc games.
rip
a baby hasnt had the chance to live his or hers life because of some fucking prick.
"pointless trying to make a serious comment on this site, just full of idiots like you."
thanks for proving my theory right.
if you had a baby with you wife (i'd be surprised) and someone killed him/her, you wouldnt care at all?
and i didn't call you a moron, i called you a moran
and moran is not a word.
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moran
:o
lowbob is a fucking wanker cunt, who sucks on his mums titties every night before he goes bed... he says he never wants babies, the only reason being he will never get a girlfriend. he is a fucking twat, ignore his comments.
true.
I have a 4yo sister, stop saying that some killings are better than others...
It's just retarded to say that... Any killing is wrong!
If so, you aren't aware of the fact that babies are the weakest people in the community. Older people can try to defend theirselves, babies younger than 3-years-old, can't.
he stabbed a baby of one of our family's friends
You'll only get flame and flame isnt really what this kind of thing needs
hahahahh :D
Dead baby in a clownsuit :::--=DDDDDDDDDDDDDd
he deserves a pure 2 hour long electrical shock, slow and painful until he dies.
That's like "wet water" or "hot fire", no need for the describing word.
No1 will miss him and he can't be trusted anymore.
but if you check how our famous murderer Dutroux lives atm he doesn't really get a punishment. Dutroux has a computer/TV and some more equipment. Maybe a lot of CF-retards might visit belgium and kill some babies! you might have a better life
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lols about the comments , you dont know what kind of mental-illness he got .... maybe he doesnt even know what he did 5 minutes later .... we are worse if we kill those ppl becoz we actually know what we do etc
there is no right for one person to take another ones life for nothing
"out of my way, kids"
By inflicting unnecessary pain upon criminals we are essentially no better than the murderers we detest. By inflicting unnecessary pain upon anybody we sacrifice what I believe to be the essense of humanity, for something as pointless as revenge. Revenge will not bring back loved ones, it will not undo terrible acts nor will it lay the ground for a better tomorrow.
It's a cliché but... the way we treat people around us, even criminals, is a direct reflection of our own morals and ethics. If we advocate public hangings and torture of other humans, because that is what they are no matter what they've done, we lower ourselves and make this world a colder place.
Remember the victims, honor their memory, send the loved ones left behind a caring thought. Keep those who are dangerous to the public seperated from the public, and leave it at that.
Love is the answer.
We all agree that dangerous elements should be separated from public. Where do people differ though, is how should this exclusion look like. And now you call in few terms:
- revenge. This is not about revenge. The guy did what he did. The punishment/penalty is exclusion.
- humanity. You rather wanted to say civilisation. Because humans by nature are not that swift and gentle.
Now to the exclusion part. You can eliminate the element by either taking his life away or locking him up. It is not like killing someone is uncivilised while the second option is very civilised. Both can be civilised, both can be uncivilised. As it comes to killing, you can hang the guy in the city centre and throw stones at him but you can also inject some chemicals and there is no pain involved. It is also cost-effective way of exclusion, since you do not need to spend money for creating the environment where he could exist.
Just kill the guy in a civilised way and there you find your answer - the love.
Yes, a person under strong emotions will do different things, but does it mean they are right and correct?
People don’t mean what they say? Of course that is true to a certain extent, but then you have those who really do mean what they say. It’s just that they wouldn’t have the guts to carry it out themselves, but wouldn’t have any problem if somebody else did it for them. Essentially there’s no major difference.
Oh but it is about revenge and the will to make the person suffer. Why else would you torture the guy when not strictly necessary? And if not necessary, what else is there than the cruel need for satisfaction of watching him suffer in pain?
What the nature of human beings is is too wide a topic. But humans are socially living animals who help each other out. And they are gentle and caring towards its kin. Isn’t that what this is about? Anger stemming from the fact that we do care about what happen to other people? Because we don’t want people to suffer, emotionally as well as physically? Can’t you see the contradiction between on the one hand saying that making people suffer (as is the case for the parents of the dead children) is wrong, and then on the other saying that we want to make people suffer for wrong doings?
We shouldn’t kill anybody who isn’t an immediate threat because of the simple fact that we treasure life. If we start to calculate life’s worth and measure it against other things, then life is not really anything special. Then you can, as you did, put a price tag on it and if life turns out not to be economically viable simply terminate it for reasons of cost efficiency. Such a society will be a cold one with more cold people doing cold things.
Keep him and the public apart, treat him as a human being and move on to try to make this a better world.
I am a father myself of a 16 month son, who just this week started going to kindergarten. This concerns me too.
You have the point about these two types of people. But what I'm saying is that the majority of people calling here on crossfire for dealing pain to the guy, would change their minds if they thought about it deeper and longer than 10 seconds. To make sure I'm expressing myself clearly - I think that 95% of these people (killerboy's and Matias' comments as example) would say 'Errm, alright let's just imprison him' if they, let's say, went to the court and were asked what would they do to the guy. They are just sitting in a cosy chair, browsing crossfire, etc.
If you checked closely, you would see that I actually agree with you about dealing pain issue. We both agree that the guy should be excluded. We only differ in how should that separation look like.
And there is the revenge issue. Having already agreed, that we do not accept dealing pain, do you consider death penalty as a wish of revenge? It is a penalty - so is lifetime imprisonment. Revenge is, in my opinion, binded with emotions. We have already agreed that we don't want to to deal pain to the guy, so there's only a case of how should we punish him. I see no place for revenge here, though my suggestion to remove that word from our discourse.
My main point about humanity part was fully gramatical. What you call social living I call civilisation and not humanity. Person that helps other person is civilised, not human. Human is from the nature, bad and stuff (here we can get stuck if you think the other way - depends on philosophies we think are the right ones :P).
What value has the life of someone who is separated from the society for entire life? From the moment of exclusion the guy becomes a leet. And again, we have to pay for that. It's not good for him, it's not good for us, I guess.
This concerns us all.
Cheers, just a discussion :)