icemat and g5/mx518? | Journals | Crossfire

first of all, congratz on your purchose !

second, i rly advice you to try the deathadder :~>

:D thanks, I've got the strange feeling that my razer destructor already wore out : ( so I though I'll give icemat a try (I've got 1st edition a looong time ago ;) )

As for the deathadder: it is working on an icemat with a first firmware, but it was buggy and it causes acceleration : ( The newer firmware doesn't work with icemat, as it got too low lift-off distance and the painted layer is out of range :( So deathadder is no choice for me :(

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omg i also have destructor :D

that + my dededer = love :~>

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Ye it was really nice at first :) But icemat is so cool and oldschool and doesn't wore out that fast :D

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well tbh im well known about how to protect stuff :p
never had stuff ruined etc :(
so thats why for me its good :<

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Oh well I've just played a bit on it :D

Not that it's totally unusable now, I just wanted to change anyway as in the first days of using destructor the friction was waay less noticeable :)

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g5 doesnt lagg, you are just too drunk

lol :<

it just stops in the middle of the turn, you're right though that "lag" wasn't the right word :)

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:)

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3G laser will work

Deathadder is using 3G laser and it doesn't work at all with the new firmware : ( And the old one is too buggy.

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I got diamondback 3G and it works good when I do a fast turn etc. But I prefer to play on fabric and not on glass

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On an icemat? That's interesting :) Maybe the diamondback firmware is better than deathadder, that's interesting ;) You haven't have any problems with fast movement throughout the whole pad?

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No afaik I don't got any probs with the diamondback 3G on an icemat, but when I play with the copperhead I got the same problem as you do.

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Thanks :) If I recall correctly copperhead is laser, so that's probably the point : ( I've got to google about the 3G non-laser mices though, it looks more confusing than I thought : )

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=) ye idd

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You know, I've checked the razer download zone, and:

razer deathadder got firmware 1.05 with a release note "– Lift distance on affected surfaces improved." However on the old one there's also a positive acceleration fixed at 1.10 so it's kinda needed. But, as for diamondback 3G there's none update at all, it looks like it was working good from the release. So it's prolly unaffected by this "bug". But iirc the old db shape didn't really fit me : ( I've got still the old db somewhere, so maybe I should check it ;)

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:) ye But do you got the diamondback 3g or the plasma version?

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no, by the "old db" I mean the old non-3gish diamondback (salamandra red ver ;) )

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:)

just stay by mx518 + icemat, works good @ me

Actually I don't have mx518, I'm using G5, so I'm thinking of buying a new mouse. "New" doesn't mean "newer" though, so it could be mx :)

Thanks for the info that this combo works!:)

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if u more like mx518/g5 feeling in the hand, so take mx518 without doubt.

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Thanks for the input!: ) It seems like it is indeed the best option.

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black icemat should work with most NON-LASER mice like deathadder or mx518
steelseries ikari optical is especially good with icemat but it has too weak buttons so they would press themselves

ye, I know about the "non-laser" part, I've read somewhere that G5 with the newer firmware works on icemat, but now I don't want to know how "not-working" looks like. Damn marketing :<

I'm confused with the deathadder part. The 3G sensor in, for instance, lachesis, is laser, but deathadder and diamondback 3G are using the optical infrared sensor?

Anyway, a friend of mine uses a deathadder and he told me that with the updated firmware is totally crap on icemat because of waaay too low liftoff distance, so razer mice are probably no choice for icemat now :( He tried to play on the older one, but got pissed off by the acceleration the old one had - they fixed this and changed the liftoff distance and one apparently :( Have you heard about that? Are all razer's 3G mices behaving like that?

BTW: much thanks for your help!

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O_o liftoff distance is totally ok with icemat.I had no problems while was testing DA + blue icemat, however i remember some people whining that it becomes weird when the pad is old or wet.Also there're different coloured icemats, from what i've heard black ones are the best perfomance wise, maybe your friend has some white or transparent one? ;o

anyway pm urtier to know exactly about deathadder+icemat combo. He's the person who probably knows the most about hardpads, especially glass ones

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Got blue icemat here too but it dosent work with the deathadder when you lift mouse a little and swipe to do fast turn it fucks up . So from what ive seen the deathadder definetly dosent work with icemat with latest firmware.

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He got the black one :(

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any decent optical mouse will do fine but afaik some color versions of the pad will work with G5, dunno which tho, black maybe :S

Khm, maybe I've got to test it with the non-refreshed edition I've got laying somewhere and flash it to the newest firmware and check whether it's any different. Because mine isn't working very well : (

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The new firmware is supposed to help, do that and try it.

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Tried it, but it looks like it's the same as refreshed edition

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new pad or optical :>

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Ye, it looks like I've got to buy mx518 :D or switch back to destructor/buy a new pad. Gotta think about it for a while, but from all these cf users' great advices it seems like the mx should be the proper choice.

I'd be missing the tilting wheel though. Damn ;D

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well mx518 and Icemat is win if you like the way the pad feels :>

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hmm, and I will be like another oldschooler out here whining about all the newer mices and pads saying that "The best combo was made back in 2006 and all that was produced later is only overadvertised shit for non-educated everyday users with too much money". Damn, and I'd be right :D

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Well the Qck+ and Titan Monstermat? have a nice feeling with both optical and laser mice and the precision is really good, it's cloth tho but glides last forever and you can even wash them np, pretty good choice if you don't wanna waste money, can't really go wrong imo.

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Well, I see your point ;) But this pad could be used with the optical mouse as well, the laser technology isn't really needed AFAIK :<

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Well if you get a chance you could try them they're quite nice, not everyones taste but maybe try it when you get fed up with hard-pads :>

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hm, I'll try to memorize your words :D

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plz don't

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdiz0k0Rudw

:D

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The firmware update for the G5 only applies to the old G5s,it doesnt work on the new blue version ones,so new G5s and icemat are a no no,i switched to a Qck + steel pad and it worked fine.
Just got a Roccat Kone recently and out of all mice ive had (518s,g5s,deathadder,copperheads) its by far the best

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Use optical. Laser doesnt work on glass.

I was curiuos about the newest lasers - whether they are any better then they were when I last read about mices. But it looks like they're still weaker than optics: (

And btw, deathadder is optical if I understand right, and still it doesn't work on icemat very well, so also not all of optical mices works on it : (

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I use icemat, always will. mx518 is ok on it, Ikari is awsome on it when its new. frictionless. but sadly my ikari died, i dunno if its a common problem with the mouse, so dont let me put u off buying one!

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h8me already did, saying that the buttons are too easy to push :D
and I've heard that "next" and "back" buttons are unbindable in the optical version?

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mouse 4 & 5 worked for me. The mouse in general was awsome.

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nonono mouse4 & mouse5 are ok, the mouse itself is rly amazing, i liked it a lot except for 1 thing: mouse 1-3 are too sensitive - when you pick your mouse up to move it over the pad and then put it,\ at least one of these buttons pushes for sure. I have mouse3 binded as kill so almost every time i put my ikari on the pad it made me s/k :X especially on a hard surface like icemat. ;(
oh and the other problem is a wire which stops working in a few days/weeks

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I see... it looks like it got a nice shape, but I think I won't going to buy because it's more expensive than mx518, got less buttons and because of your warning. Enough cons for me :)

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indeed.. im using g5 on icemat atm and its not super :p im gonna change mousepad soon

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yep, I'm surprised how much people out there on zeh internetz claims that it works on icemat ^^ They must have like superhigh sensitivity or sth.

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hehe yeah :P

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I used to use my MX510 and MX518 on my Icemat 2.
Went through a dozen other mice mats then, now I'm stuck with QcK+ with MX518. Best combo for me :)

You made me wanting the mx518 even more ;)

Thanks for the input!

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I bought an everglide titan mousemat to test as well last year, and although it's a nice mat, I still stick to the QcK+
You should go to a store and test them out :)

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qck+ is the "carpet" one, right? :D

Well, I've got somewhere the old qck mini but I didn't really like it, and it was moving too much :D maybe that's because it was mini, I don't know. I somehow started to like the solid pads ;)

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Carpet? D: http://www.tweaknews.net/reviews/qck/
Everglide titan is easily 2-3 times thicker than the QcK+ and comes in a nice metal tube for easy transport/storage :PPP

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Well, I mean carpet = the biggest pad on the market :D

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It is quite big yeah.
Alot of people put their keyboard over it too though :P

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It's like super-mega-monster-size, but my keyboard is on my Everglide Titan as well :)

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I've got a MX518 and an Icemat. If you spin it fast enough it'll still get clipped on an Icemat but not a Qck or Everglide Titan. If you could play with G5, a MX518 will probably have more than enough headroom though.

You might wanna try a Deathadder, although I never got to try it on my Icemat cause it broke a long time ago.(Was my brother's mouse)

looks like icemat is a really demanding pad :)

But I'm not a really low-senser, so I guess I could use it with mx ;)

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I have/had absolutely NO PROBLEMS AT ALL with my DA on the icemat (black, 2nd edition, 5 years old). Reload used this combo for a couple of weeks as well and didn't complain about skipping.
Then again he and especially me use way higher sens than most ET players, so that actually could be the reason why I didn't have any problems.

Be sure to replace the original feet with hyperglides or whatever, if you use them. Don't glue them on the stock feet.

The G5 in general is crap though and it will skip on any pad, unless you use quite some high sens or turn around slowly.

If you really like the G5 shape (can't believe there are actually ppl that like this alien shape), go and get the MX518. Performancewise you won't notice any difference between the DA or the MX518.

E: If I don't forget it, I'll test the Icemat tonight with some low sens. Feel free to remind me if I don't enter the result here till 22 cet :-P

E2: It might be useful to post your sens here (360°/cm) so I can actually get an idea with what sens I should test this!

I need a new mousepad :( diamondback + low/medsens, any recommendations? :-p

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Ich würds NOIDpad mal austesten. Ich find meins bisher top.
Quasi wie ein QPad, nur dass sich das NOIDpad nicht abnutzt. Zumindest bisher nicht.

www.noidpad.com

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fett *habenwill*
1,35 oder 3,5mm? ist das vom gefuehl her anders?

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Ich hab mir das 3,5mm in grün gekauft.

Vom Gefühl her kp, ist vllt etwas schneller als das QPad, ansonsten doch sehr ähnlich.

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dann komm ich damit sicherlich auch ganz gut zurecht 8)

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I have a blue Icemat and DA skips on it if I do really fast moves. I didn´t like it anyway so np...I use it as a table mat for my telephone now :)

I´m considering to buy a Steelpad SX, did you try that one yet?

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Yes, it's great the first few days until you gotta clean it the first time. You'll wash off the silicon layer and after that it just becomes a normal metal pad and starts scratching. I ditched mine after a couple of weeks..

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k, I guess I´ll give it a try... I had only hard pads so far and all of them wore out after a few weeks or 2-3 months. I think that´s the curse of nearly all hard pads :[

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My personal experience with the DA and Icemat is also very positive. No skipping, very precise.
Just as a reference, what do you consider a high sens? I've just measured my sens in cm, turns out it's 18cm/360°, still feels atleast twice as slow as what I use in any Quake though. :P

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I'd consider that as highsens tbh.

High: 1-20cm/360
Mid: 21-30cm/360
Low: anything below that

Well, approximately :-P

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Firstly, thanks a lot for your helpful input!: )

You're obviously using the updated firmware (v1.10 or sth), right?

Well, the DA part I was talking here was from what I heard from my mate, although we are playing on the similar sensitivity, doing about 540° per 5L ^^ so it's about 22cm/360°. He claims that after firmware update skipping on icemat is way too frequent to use it, if I remember correctly he tested it on an icemat original loong time ago, and now as he got 2nd edition recently, he tried it again and was having same problems. And I found after googling that there are people having this problem on some forums and a reviewer who have updated about the icemat problems. Only a few sites though. That's an interesting thing - is there a chance that some of the DA's are defective?

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There's always a chance that there are faulty mice.

About the skipping then: I'm using KINDA the same sens with 20cm for a 360 and it's not skipping for me at all. So I doubt those extra 2 cm make any difference.

Strange stuff!

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hm, idd strange ; )

If I may ask, have you noticed that DA lifted on the minimal height over icemat stops tracking instantly while it could still track over normal surface?

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Eh, it's a bit less on the icemat maybe, yea. But I don't have any problems with that as I never raise my mouse usually.

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Thanks a lot for info!:)

So it looks like it's rather a rare problem he got ;)

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mx 518 > all

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