Moviemakers!

Hi guys. Ruipperi and ender asked me to write a litle tutorial for them, i was busy and couldn't write it, but tomorrow i have some free time so i though about this:

What do you think about write some basic tutorials for moviemakers? Basic ideas like: How to tweak graphics, how to use uv moviemod to search demos, how to use capture tool by crumbs, etc etc etc.

I though about build a "Et installer" for moviemakers, with tutorials, ET folder (because its highly recommended to use a folder for movies only), with some tools (capture, camtrace etc). The pack would be 500+ mb bigger because of HQ textures :<

Good idea? Bad? Would u be interested? Maybe its a bad idea. Got only 30 pms of feedback with around 5000 downloads :X

Give me some ideas from what you would like to see/read, etc.
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Good idea
Sounds good.
RELEASE YOUR GODDAMN MOVIE
Waiting for some stuff, + waiting for some free time. But exams are ending next week so i could try some stuff
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who gives a shit a bad movie is bad whether it is shot in 1920x1080 with custom textures or 800x600 picmip 3

tutorials just create copy cats, we don't need everything with the same sodding style we need variety - it's why I very rarely watch gaming movies these days

people focus on unimportant shit instead of things like music, flow, sync, pacing and structure
Seems you CLEARLY misunderstood the point. This tutorial isn't about to give settings to everyone. Its about how to instruct people for some usefull tools etc. Its like a step-by-step tutorial.

Some people is missing the basics of moviemaking. Im bored of read stupid questions everyday at my bnc.. people ask basic stuff so i though about write everything, even Question-Answers pdf.. some tricks, at vegas and after effects etc.
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you could just not answer them

if they can't figure it out themself they wont make a good movie anyway

and neither will you for that matter... or to be more exact: you won't make A movie anyway
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Ok you just proved you are mentally retarded. What tutorials have to do with ME making a movie? Like i said, i don't have to make movies, i don't even have to prove myself to some guys like you. I do whatever i want.

Get real.
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If you didn't feel the need to prove yourself/ego you wouldn't waste your time writing this shit. Unless you take some weird pleasure from writing tutorials for things as opposed to actually doing them.
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I like to teach/help people. Some people did it before with me and im really greatful. So i though about help other guys, but it starts becoming complicated because they all have the same questions... better make a tutorial that could answer all their questions (i know what they usually ask so...)
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they wont read that tutorial and ask those questions anyway :O
atlest you can link the tutorial and send him away !
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Thats somehow my point.. I always get question that are covered at other tutorials, or even at some of mines.. People are just to lazy to read, thats why i though about make something newb friendly!


Good idea?
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same opinion. they waste most of the time creating high quality instead of focusing on the important things, like sync the video with the music.
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Like i said down, my idea is to teach them step-by-step and fast how to create some good quality and how to use the available tools, so they will decrease the time of making a movie and they can use this extra time to focus on creativity (edit, sync etc).
Im not the right person to talk about this since im a quality whore and i waste to much time on this instead of focus on edit etc :\
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You made a point there, but a shitty movie with nice quality is better than a shitty movie with bad quality. :O)
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NO, shitty movie is shitty even with nice quality
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Who doubted that?
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its like saying you would drink 1 liter piss instead of 2 liter piss. o_O
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So yes. I prefer drinking 1 litre of piss to 2 litre.
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nice idea!
would be nice if it is a videotutorial
you always need other people with your ideas. be independent bitch
Remember, support/feedback (positive or negative) = motivation = new stuff coming out.
I dont do this for me.. i do this for you/everyone else.

Its a way i found to give motivation to some people to start moviemaking.
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i hardly doubt it will motivate people to actually make a movie, and if they are motivated a bit they would look for tutorials on youtube (musashiii)
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nice idea!
That installer thing is good idea
+1
great idea, thx in advance. Maybe a little part on image.exe, I don't get everything for example.
The tutorial will cover EVERYTHING u need to make movies so..
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well if ur going to put ur textures in it, atleast make sure you dont replace the red/blue smoke from airstrikes/arties...
Its deleted in your HQ textures.
also there are some bugs, for example on delivery and GR in bank
thats the kind of stuff i would like to fix etc. Can u take screens and explain me what did u report?
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here is an example i found while making my movie. the same problem is with the ground in GR bank. yellow/black textures. Proberly the ground in delivery and in the bank is from the same image you deleted/replaced

image: 1233363110-830
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Using image.exe ?

Check your setings
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screenshots of vegas are for some reason bugged and far from the quality i get in tests
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wai-

how is that related to what i wrote ?
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i thought you were whining about the quality of the pic:)
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That's a missing/conflicting texture, image.exe has nothing to do with it.
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Hmm well it could've been :p
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sp_delivery_te looks correct for me with ag0n's textures, so my guess is that it's a texture conflict with some other custom map that you have.

Do you have other custom maps installed?
Does it look correct if you just remove ag0n's textures?
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it looks correct if i load the map when i deleted agons textures
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this is nothing about my pack. "my pack" have all textures u need.. this some kind of "conflict" at your pc. try to do a clean installation... every map works fine for me.
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If people don't know how to search demos from the official uvMovieMod docs, then they're too dumb to understand them from any other tutorial. :-\

Good luck, though. I kind of agree with Meez. Moviemaking is a creative thing. I found it interesting that he mentioned music. So many people just take it for granted that certain music in movies is a matter of taste. I disagree. For me, I suppose since I'm a musician, the music is the most important part for me. I will always have a full soundtrack ready before I start editing, and if people take issue with the music in my movies I will never just say it's a matter of taste. I will argue until the end about how appropriate the tracks I used were.

He's right on several points though. Show me one good movie where the editor didn't decide to figure out how to do things for himself, instead of constantly pm'ing someone for the answers.

Also, I used to feel bad about ignoring PM's with silly questions...so I would answer them, but now I feel like some people just shouldn't bother wasting time making a movie. They just don't have the commitment, creativity etc to follow it through to the end. :(
QuoteGood luck, though. I kind of agree with Meez. Moviemaking is a creative thing. I found it interesting that he mentioned music. So many people just take it for granted that certain music in movies is a matter of taste. I disagree. For me, I suppose since I'm a musician, the music is the most important part for me. I will always have a full soundtrack ready before I start editing, and if people take issue with the music in my movies I will never just say it's a matter of taste. I will argue until the end about how appropriate the tracks I used were.
+1

I could write fucking essays on this if I didn't stop myself. The effect music has on mood and pacing is something that should influence the movie immensely. Too many people slap some random punk soundtrack while using "grungy" colour/tones (usually a preset they stole from someone else) and slow first person frags... it's just all mishmashed together with no real sense of flow, coherence or logic.

Gonna force myself to sleep.
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There is a difference between slapping ANY old single over the top of your scenes and choosing music that fits and is synced but others may not like.

There has been many a movie where I've watched it and acknowledged that the music used was fairly well done but wasn't really to my taste. And whilst watching the movie I had thought, /Song A/ would fit PERFECTLY here instead of their choice, which would still need to be synced obviously but would suit the scene.

For max to say that ONLY his music fits the scene and nothing else would work is completely ridiculous. It's a matter of taste, end of. Fair enough it's his movie, and in his mind, for the story he is trying to portray to the viewer he believes the music used is the best way to convey it, but it isn't some absolute truth or anything.

I just think you are both arguing different points :P
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You are right. But my point in here is "teach" the basics how to get some good quality and how to use the available tools. It will help them and "decrease" the time they need to learn everything , so they can focus on other stuff that can make their movie diferent. How? Effects, sync, edit.. etc...

Maybe im wrong, but its my pov.
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don't think an installer is a great idea becasue we will see several movies using same cfg's, same textures, same evrything.( it is great and your pack is used alot, so thats enough imo ) And i think there are tutorials enough for moviemaking itself. ( grafics tweaks, ...etc )

The only thing people could use ( including me ) are tutorials for megui ( new one ), becasue google gives only megui tuts or settings for dvdrips and stuff like that.
Or tips and tricks for vegas, vdub, adobe, ... would be nice

don't get me wrong , i would apreciate the stuff you do but i think you've done enough with releasing your pack and configs.
I disagree completely

Turn all postives into negatives and vica versa and I agree completely

People will get the cfgs somehow anyway, it's about the editing (after effects, vegas, megui,..) what makes it different, making tuts for that would mean everything looking the same
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everything makes it a personal touch , so config and editing, music. So for that we don't need tuts.

By tricks and tips i mean, how to split files in vegas, how to beatsync .... but anyhow .. use a bit of google and youtube and you got it also.

The only thing I would like are megui tutorials , what does each thing with the ET movie . not with dvdrips,... .

Its still a pitty to have a nice movie with crappy compression, or great movie @ 100 MB/s f.ex

why spending time on making an installer ? whats so hard about installing second Et, moviemod and copy/paste your texturepack ( if needed ) ?
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There are plenty of good enconder profiles out there tbh
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and does a profile make you understand megui :s guess not
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You don't have to understand it in order to use it
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I dont get you wrong. Thats why im writing this journal. I wanna know what people think about this, otherwise i dont write the tutorial..
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Just do it. ;]
Well i think its a great idea...there are lots of new movie makers out there and some always ask the same shit so a tutorial would be nice ( also for me )!
awesome ofc!
I don't believe in writing a single tutorial that covers "EVERYTHING", it would be a lot better to just have a Sticky in the tutorial section that contains an overview of the different steps/tools needed and links to other tutorials where necessary.

That way it's easy to just "upgrade" the sticky with new links as you (or someone else!) writes new tutorials, easier to find stuff, and a single link to give to newbs asking stupid questions.
Well, some info about making a movie couldn't hurt could it? I mean I understand that some people don't want to see decent quality but crap editing, but it's not like a tutorial about making movies is gonna accomplish that. It just helps people who would like to try making a fragmovie.

By the way, if you watch a fragmovie and it annoys because the music sucks, editing is stupid or it's just bad then you can just turn it off :P
all have been written already, people novadays are just too nub to search for information , then consider themselves as really good moviemakers, but how the hell do i make this camtrace work? :E
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