Clanbase admins - what they do and what they don't?
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20 Feb 2009, 01:05
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Hello,
Nations cup has been on for almost 2 weeks and if we take a look on clanbase page http://clanbase.ggl.com/cupcard.php?lid=8339 then we can see an extreme amount of yellow/red cards. Lets take a look:
As one red card doesn't mean Your team is out yet, but here comes the question:
Is it easier to an admin to add cards on the page or should the admins do their only job on server: check guids, if the players on the server have the same guids as they entered on the clanbase page, if they are on the roster and pause if it's needed.
2nd thing is that should admins talk to one team in any other language than english since as far as i know Clanbase is international site and english is the main language and i think both teams should understand what admin is trying to say.
3rd during CZE vs UK game i noticed admins acting very wierd by basically saying "stfu and play" during warmup... isn't it that players ready up when they are ready... it used to be like it.
So here in the list are:
3 times mentioned that a team had a player playing which wasn't on the roster. <-- Did in any of these games admin tell to team that please check or correct it. NO, none of these cases they did.
2 times mentioned that a player was not using other nick than on the clanbase page. <-- Did in any of these games admin tell to team that please check or correct it. NO, none of these cases they did.
1 times mentioned that a player had wrong guid <-- Did in any of these games admin tell to team that please check or correct it. NO, none of these cases they did.
related to this is team NL ronner "captain no more" post http://www.crossfire.nu/?x=journal&mode=item&id=78297
My point is that something has to be done, being an admin isn't about watching the game in the server and "glory" see me i'm on the ettv, everyone can see my nickname, i'm kewl now.
Nations cup has been on for almost 2 weeks and if we take a look on clanbase page http://clanbase.ggl.com/cupcard.php?lid=8339 then we can see an extreme amount of yellow/red cards. Lets take a look:
As one red card doesn't mean Your team is out yet, but here comes the question:
Is it easier to an admin to add cards on the page or should the admins do their only job on server: check guids, if the players on the server have the same guids as they entered on the clanbase page, if they are on the roster and pause if it's needed.
2nd thing is that should admins talk to one team in any other language than english since as far as i know Clanbase is international site and english is the main language and i think both teams should understand what admin is trying to say.
3rd during CZE vs UK game i noticed admins acting very wierd by basically saying "stfu and play" during warmup... isn't it that players ready up when they are ready... it used to be like it.
So here in the list are:
3 times mentioned that a team had a player playing which wasn't on the roster. <-- Did in any of these games admin tell to team that please check or correct it. NO, none of these cases they did.
2 times mentioned that a player was not using other nick than on the clanbase page. <-- Did in any of these games admin tell to team that please check or correct it. NO, none of these cases they did.
1 times mentioned that a player had wrong guid <-- Did in any of these games admin tell to team that please check or correct it. NO, none of these cases they did.
related to this is team NL ronner "captain no more" post http://www.crossfire.nu/?x=journal&mode=item&id=78297
My point is that something has to be done, being an admin isn't about watching the game in the server and "glory" see me i'm on the ettv, everyone can see my nickname, i'm kewl now.
just tell me what i'm doing wrong as admin..
ESL Nation Cup pls!
Not thát relevant but I find it hilarious that playing with a player who's not added to the teampage or playing with wrong guids results in only a yellow card while playing with a merc (which an sich is not different) results in a removal from the cup for that team and that particular merc being banned for life on Clanbase © KilL3rBoY
merc (who were you talking about with lifetime ban anyway?) = yellow card
wrong guid = removal / red card
else it wouldn't be hilarious but completely logical!
And no, it's like I wrote it. And it remains hilarious. Both can be a merc as well!
but it's weird since austria got a redcard for having a player with wrong guid (limbonic), dunno.
playing with a merc: well mostly u see that gtv has the lu that will play but sometimes ppl just won't show up and u need a merc or a person that u have sometimes played with and sometimes u might have thought u added him but then something came up and u didn't and now if it was so then admin should fix it.
tbh eesti should have one more yellow card since i had also wrong guid from changing hdd and i noticed it later and changed it on the page but admins never even saw it
But as you said, maybe admins should've taken some time checking up everything.
Give me a break
We had 3 admins on the server: Essah, Blazer, and B3ck.
With 1:22 on the clock, we had unpaused from a previous 999 only to find syK had lagged out so we asked for one of the admins to pause for us as we had used all of ours. With 18 seconds until our next respawn surely that would give them plenty of time to react. Unfortunately none of them seemed to be paying any attention to our pleas and it wasnt until 0:59 that one of them reacted, thus giving sYk yet another full spawn. I really do wonder what the hell they were there for, of course they were soon on the ball when syK reconnected with his fake nick, with B3ck immediately requesting that he put his correct nickname. I really didnt like their attitude, of course we complained and flamed, perhaps a little more restraint should have been used, but understandably we were annoyed. They didnt care about it, they gave no apologies, and simply responded with some sarcastic comments and 'stfu' type of remarks.
What he was talking is that if teams run out of pauses admins should react and i'm not talking about oh "He has phone" admin pause or crane thing, ofc admin can't see that coming but if it's about 999 then can admin see it?
GUID check, so admins are on the server, it usually takes 10-15 minutes to start the match, why instead of taking guids and seeing whether they match or not and point it out BEFORE the match start admins just shit chat and take picture of guids and see if they matched who knows when.
If You want Cup to up punish teams then go ahead, i thought Clanbase stood for competitions, making everyone play fair and keeping cheaters away.
I think You agree with me that it's easier to check guids first and say it, than give cards and write reasons for cards and other shit, comparing 12 guids/lines won't take an hour and isn't too much to ask before game imo. And how can even happen a thing that a guy how isn't on the roster can play? Do admins compare gtv lu's with ingame, or how is it possible?
Yeah so if you were there simply for the coverage, that still leaves two other referees doing what exactly? I'm not here to whine about how we lost, we probably would have lost in the end anyway, either right there on supply or on a decider, but I think that if they sign up for something like this, they should do their jobs properly, and I think that includes things like pausing when someone lags or gets disconnected. We did plead for the pause before the previous one had run out, so it was pretty evident that no one was paying attention. I checked about the 'stfu' type of remark, Essah said "shut up and play" thats all, not so bad then. An admin is there to try and keep the game running smoothly and fairly, and I must admit alot of the time they have done without any thanks, but its at times such as this that they let themselves down.
cb admins aren't the nanny of a team. People using mercs and random nicks, knowingly breaking the rules. And you want cb admins to kindly ask you not to do it?
yea right...
CB clearly states their rules.
It can't be so hard to play a game with your own nick, so those are completely players' own fault.
The "mercs" or whatever guys that aren't in the roster could be added there at any time. So it's captain's fault if they aren't added there.
Another thing is the guid thing. At least my guid changes kinda randomly, so there's no way to know that (without checking it often) and that's a bit harsh in my eyes and shouldn't cause a card. Admins should check the guids before they let the game start.
Maybe u should try adminning yourself. It surely isn't an easy task. I've been admin in some earlier evu cups and eventhough it wasn't so serious back then, it was surprisingly much work.
I think we should be thankful that CB still organizes events for us crying kids that never do else but whine about their decisions (not to euruz in particular but the whole scene).
I just want to see that admins are going to act more.
I don't know how much admins have to do overall, but imo during the game their main objective is to watch the game: kick players that are not involved to this match and somehow got the server password, pause if there's someone 999, check guids before match etc. Maybe i'm wrong and admins do something else too during the game.
My point is that admins will start paying more attention.
If You look at the UK vs CZE game You can clearly see that if admins had paused on right time UK might of had chance, it's just maybe but we will never know it now.
I just want that there would be no such thing during the games i would play in, it would piss me really off. And i saw somewhere a comment like "maybe he was on irc" I can't belive anyone would even say it not being embarrased.
And i'm not saying that being and admin is easy, but if You take the job You also know You have to dedicate lots of Your time on it and do Your best.
players have wrong guids
players use the wrong nicks
teams run out of pauses
now seriously, do you want an admin or a nanny?
In most matches there isn't even a ref, when u run out of pauses: bad luck. same goes for this case when the ref was not paying attention or w/e.
On the other hand if u have a ref on the server that pauses the match every 30 seconds cause a player goes 999 that can't be the solution either can it?
Why there is even an admin on server taking server capacity, we can also send them the screens with guids. problem solved. I'd rather take Your very loved word nanny than admin who does nothing and it isn't about every 30 sec admin pause but if it's needed.
I seriously didn't get Your point why should the admin be there then.
They did, so the fault is the player's not the admins.
I don't mean to attack you, it just annoys me in general how people whine about cb even though they made mistakes themselfes.
I can't recall someone writing a journal/column about cb when they were 100% right.
It's always like "oh yea we broke the rules and we know we did, but it's cb's fault they have to sort our shit out".
But it's not like that. It's the teams/players and especially the captains task to check everything if it's right.
but it seems like there are too many people who aren't able to fullfill the easiest requirements from cb rules, eg. the nick rule.
To point out again what is the point of my whine:
If u made a mistake as team/player and broke the rules, do not blame cb for punishing it.
On the other hand if u have a ref on the server that pauses the match every 30 seconds cause a player goes 999 that can't be the solution either can it? "
So the game should be played 5v6 instead if there is a 999? That would ruin the game completely as it can take a few minutes for that player to reconnect. Its not that often that you get four seperate 999s in a single map, and its already bad enough luck that someone goes 999 and gets a full spawn in the first place. From previous experience, if there wasnt a ref on the server and a team had used their pauses, the opposing team would kindly pause for them. We play this game to compete fairly and have fun, not for internet connections to play a lottery.
I agree about a team using a merc however, they know they are breaking the rules, such as the USA and Canada.
There’s also a responsibility on the players. This isn’t 2004, this isn’t your first match. You’ve all played hundreds of competition matches, you’re playing NC, so by right, you’re the best / most experienced your nation has to offer, the standard rule set has little changed over the years so you should at least be familiar with it. You needn’t know the intricacies of every rule, just an attitude of general fair play would suffice. It’s a sad indictment that some teams cannot be relied upon to play fairly & honestly.
An admin shouldn’t be necessary to get twelve players on a server & a match played controversy free.
Also needs said that match admins are generally not ‘CB’.