Captain no more
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20 Feb 2009, 01:06
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I got home at about 22:30 or so and turn on the pc and then Joop pm's me on MSN with "nice fail".
I'm like "wtf is he on about?" and then it appears they have just played a match vs Czech Republic that was somehow forced. This is where I went "wtf?!"
This match was scheduled to be played last sunday.
I was away on a company trip to iceland and got back home pretty late to find out that:
1. Joop was sick and couldn't play
2. M1lk wasn't available cuz he was rushed to the hospital because of a family-matter.
I tried to contact the Czech's to see if we could reschedule the match, but didn't get an answer from Loo.
I talked to Bartichello to ask him if we could reschedule the match and what I got from him was:
[CB]Bartichello: mijn regel is de dag zelf = wildcard
[CB]Bartichello: well in theorie staat er niks op van reshedullen in de regels
[CB]Bartichello: das iets die wij zelf doen
Which translates to:
[CB]Bartichello: my rule is "the day itself = wildcard"
[CB]Bartichello: Well in theory there is nothing in the rules about rescheduling
[CB]Bartichello: that is something we do ourselves.
Not too happy about it I wildcarded that game because I had little choice.
Then I come home today and find out it was already played because it was forced.
The rules state this:
"When a wildcard is used, the national teams have to reschedule the match immediately to one of the days into the same or the following matchweek of the original match date, and inform the supervisor."
It also states this:
"If no agreement is communicated to the Supervisor within 48hrs of the original match time, he may force the match to be played as he sees fit."
So in all CB is in their rights to simply force the match, but in no way has any supervisor tried to contact me to ask about wether or not this match was rescheduled or not. It was simply forced and that was that.
So first they bend rules to their likings so that I couldn't reschedule the match leaving me no choice but to take a wildcard and then they start to follow rules very strictly by forcing it without communicating anything to the captain of the teams involved.
So basically I've decided to just drop myself from this NC. NOT the team, but just myself.
To put it simple, I have better things to do with my time than to be jerked around by the randomness of choices and the yet another incompetence series of events by CB.
Wether or not the guys of Team NL continue in this NC is up to them, but I'm simply not gonna be captain anymore.
edit it seems there is another rule in yet another block of text in the collective works of shakespear they call "CB Rules" that states "Rescheduling on the day of the match will require a wildcard being used."
Good to know that the cup supervisor says that there is "nothing in the rules about it" and that it's "just something they do themselves".
I'm like "wtf is he on about?" and then it appears they have just played a match vs Czech Republic that was somehow forced. This is where I went "wtf?!"
This match was scheduled to be played last sunday.
I was away on a company trip to iceland and got back home pretty late to find out that:
1. Joop was sick and couldn't play
2. M1lk wasn't available cuz he was rushed to the hospital because of a family-matter.
I tried to contact the Czech's to see if we could reschedule the match, but didn't get an answer from Loo.
I talked to Bartichello to ask him if we could reschedule the match and what I got from him was:
[CB]Bartichello: mijn regel is de dag zelf = wildcard
[CB]Bartichello: well in theorie staat er niks op van reshedullen in de regels
[CB]Bartichello: das iets die wij zelf doen
Which translates to:
[CB]Bartichello: my rule is "the day itself = wildcard"
[CB]Bartichello: Well in theory there is nothing in the rules about rescheduling
[CB]Bartichello: that is something we do ourselves.
Not too happy about it I wildcarded that game because I had little choice.
Then I come home today and find out it was already played because it was forced.
The rules state this:
"When a wildcard is used, the national teams have to reschedule the match immediately to one of the days into the same or the following matchweek of the original match date, and inform the supervisor."
It also states this:
"If no agreement is communicated to the Supervisor within 48hrs of the original match time, he may force the match to be played as he sees fit."
So in all CB is in their rights to simply force the match, but in no way has any supervisor tried to contact me to ask about wether or not this match was rescheduled or not. It was simply forced and that was that.
So first they bend rules to their likings so that I couldn't reschedule the match leaving me no choice but to take a wildcard and then they start to follow rules very strictly by forcing it without communicating anything to the captain of the teams involved.
So basically I've decided to just drop myself from this NC. NOT the team, but just myself.
To put it simple, I have better things to do with my time than to be jerked around by the randomness of choices and the yet another incompetence series of events by CB.
Wether or not the guys of Team NL continue in this NC is up to them, but I'm simply not gonna be captain anymore.
edit it seems there is another rule in yet another block of text in the collective works of shakespear they call "CB Rules" that states "Rescheduling on the day of the match will require a wildcard being used."
Good to know that the cup supervisor says that there is "nothing in the rules about it" and that it's "just something they do themselves".
and i never said that its "old" or "oldskool"
I've always been on the good side when it comes down to cheaters, but mize's always been a tricky one, i gotta give u that.. Let's just see the good side of the ppl and say he didnt cheat..
Btw, if he would cheat honestly, u really thing he would cheat in every match? Cause he didnt really play different from the normal matches :EEEEEEEEEEEEE
Just because he got busted, doesnt mean he cheated _every_ game:EEEEEEE
just wanted to say another pwner who played.
related to this
Too bad to see you quit, but to be honest - I've thought of it, too. Which makes it even harder in my case is that I'm a big part of the team, so I can't just quit when others want to continue.
I'm really disappointed in this season's admin work (like euruz states in his journal).
Why do we need them anyway? To flash different coloured cards? Why can't they open their mouths before the match? Of course it's our/my job to check that everything is ok and according to the rules, but quite often you just forget about it.
But I understand both sides of the story.
alternatively you could stop being such a whiny bitch and man up.
but back to the main point; why be such a little girl? it's a game son, either you enjoy playing it or you don't.
i just don't think it's a good idea to quit as a leader when shown th slightest bit of misfortune.
I understand that it sucks for you but he's done nothing wrong, I'm not even sure what bending the rules you're talking about that forced you to take a wildcard, it's simply how it is; you're unable to reschedule the match by talking to opponent = you have to use a wildcard, nothing else to it
He pretty much forced me to take a wildcard when there is nothing about it in the rules that I can't reschedule the match prior to it taking place. So yes, he did something wrong by making up their own rules. He even states himself that there is nothing in the rules about it but that it's just something they "do themselves"
And tbh we were probably as surprised as you to see the match forced. We phoned our 6th to get home asasp @ 21:30 CET....almost didn't make it.
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you still have 2 i c? and i didn't received ANY CB SPAM MAIL ABOUT ET NC MATCH
I'm a CB admin but not in ET. I've just read 2 journals in a row about how nazi-like the admins have been running the cup.
Sucks for ET I guess.
just for a minute I thought it was hentai actually admitting fail and fucking off the scene...
oh dear never mind
AND:::big edit...would u have whined if holland had beaten the mighty cze....I doubt it...accept it, live with it...
Just to make it clear, I dont care they lost vs the Czech's. To be honest I would also have quit if NL had won.
And anyway you're prolly going to the playoff so wtf
So much anger could be solved by captains simply reading the rules and then following them - adding players in good time, reschedule matches when they're supposed to, have people in the IRC-channel. Disagreeing with rules is one thing, not following them because you're a totally awesome and cool guy is another.
The CB NC Ruleset says
Reading your post and this I can't see that CB has been wrong in any way.
"Rescheduling on the day of the match will require a wildcard being used."
That's quite straight forward.
else he's getting pretty old cause everyone knows you need to wildcard if you find out you cant play right before the match, always :p
If I'm not misunderstanding you didn't talk to czech to reschedule that first date, but talked to an admin instead. So, you told the cb admin "we can't play". What else than a wildcard should be used in that situation? Without knowing all cb rules by heart, but isn't a wildcard exactly to be used in that case?
As others said or quoted above, rules are clear after that. Reschedule the match on your own, if you won't / can't, cb will force one.
Just another whine journal about cb - when it wasn't (at least not completely) their fault.
"I tried to contact the Czech's to see if we could reschedule the match, but didn't get an answer from Loo."
But still, wildcard was the right decision.
could be translate as:
Rules do not offer the possibility to reschedule. Either the result is a "noshow" or you use wildcard.
rules are there as a general set, last OC we were screwed by donex and his retarded rule setting about wildcards by not involving them on the rules page and only writing them on the main page (who the fuck reads the main page and the rule about wildcard is STILL not in the rules set), now that's a fuckup with the rules, this is nothing like it, anyone who ever lead a team knows he can talk to opponent and have the date changed
But afaik, you couldn't contact the czech's at the matchday itself, so yes you should've used your wildcard anyways.
Yes, you get 48h to reschedule the game, but I see that as your job, - and you should let the admins know if you did get it arranged. Otherwise they have all the rights to force it to any time they see fit.
What DID went wrong here, is the lack of communication between admins & captains.
Its not really THAT obliged, but it couldve saved allot of trouble if some simple messages were exchanged.
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