Blame videogames and poker!

Ok, now it is official, yesterdays shooter was a nerd.

Quoteplayed poker together, both in person and online, as well as a multiplayer video game called "Counter-Strike" that involves killing people to complete missions.


Source: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g-7Dbm7W0ADoXhfKS2O_sUrZu4NwD96S47T01

I just knew it, where else would he get idea of killing people than from internet-game. And poker loss pushed him over the edge.

Video of him just before he shot himself: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7938790.stm

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you retard it was butchji and he plays ET, not CS
praccing irl > playing vs M_M
suicide irl > /kill in ET
he missed the spawn btw :D
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ye he forgot that it's last man standing
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Me retard? Stop calling me by bad names and take care of your bastard-child instead
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/4977334/Baby-born-with-two-penises-in-Russia.html
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QuoteIn June last year, a baby was born with a second penis on his back

x'DDD
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Yea :D

I guess he has a bright future in porn business.
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he got an operation and they turned 2 dicks into 1 dick :D
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Ye, I know. They didn´t quite think it through.
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going to do school masacre, brb
pop by an english class while your at it
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You totally owned him. :D
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STILE ON KOVA LUU
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shieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
we gon' see about this son.
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take your time since here I am once again! rerise the base!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1rtilFHu9s only for you my beloved stileeeeee
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If you're talking about "masacre" instead of "massacre" look at your own shit first ;)
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i flushed my toilet already, was a good shit though
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You should start a comedian career
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was just about to :(
thx for ruining my dreams
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oh I'm sorry :( but there's still a free spot for some english teacher in my school!
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why do u think mystic is not coming back from army?he just enjoys wearing gun and shooting around :D
They saw his actions in the army and realized that he is too good and dangerous for society. Now he is locked down in a secret army base, they won´t release him until Russians try to invade us again.
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"A heavily armed 17-year-old"

lol he used a random beretta.
compared to other random 17-year old puppies, its heavily armed imo.
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here we go again
Ofc..blame the video games !

Next we see is that L4D get blamed because a cannibal did something nice.
And GTA for slapping your ho´s if they don´t pay you enough!
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GTA taught me that problems are solved by violence and running away!
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yea ofc blame video games & poker, they will do that to every normal kid. There was nothing wrong with the guy, blame video games.
So very simplistic.
Anybody has the extended version?

"I'm told that this footage goes to show that he takes his own life"

Also:

QuoteThere was no immediate indication of motive, but the gunman's victims were primarily female: eight of nine students killed were girls, and all three teachers were women. Three men were killed later as the suspect fled.


Guess he wasn't getting any pussy.

Let this be a lesson to all you women out there, if we men want some pussy from you, you will give it & will not hesitate when answering "yes". You have been warned.
Or men had some experience for strafing without hitboxes?
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they had lagscript
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Wouldn't suprise me if it actually went something along those lines.
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I really hope they figure out the real problems behind that shooting this time (in the media and politics), and not blame it on "violent video games" again... otherwise we will have a hard time not to get them banned in Germany Germany this time...

P.S.
on the other hand i want to mention that i am really ashamed about a lot of the comments i recently read on crossfire making sarcastic and bad jokes about the tradgedy that happend... it just shows again how childish a big part of this community here is :(
Mr. Serious Biz.
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ye the internet is so mean sometimes.
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Already wrote that somewhere in a german journal here:

The games aren't the cause, but they're for sure one piece in the puzzle.

Banning them won't help anyway (we all know forbidden things are more interesting).
Yup. Besides, 93,2% of killers haven´t played FPS-games (in western Europe, percentage is confirmed by cuttyP), so...
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its the fucking table-tennis!
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and bread!
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goddamn bread munching table-tennis jocks!
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if cuttyP confirmed it must be true...

I heard it was the other way around... 90% of the killers played FPS :P

anyway, read something "funny" yet interesting today:

90% of killers played fps
100% of the killers eat bread

Silly, yea - but there is some truth in it.
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Ofc playing fps-games could act as a catalyst for some troubled teenager, but banning the games isn´t the solution, it is just hiding one element of bigger pile of problems, as you said earlier.
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10 million people actively used Xbox Live as of 2008, the three most popularly played games being Halo 3, Gears of War & Call of Duty 4.

If violent games are the catalyst, we're fucked - generation of sociopaths! Bring on the summer of rage...
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So you say that playing fps did not have any influence of any of those killers at all?
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I’m sure many things influenced him – but I’d be shocked to learn it was the cause, or even the trigger.
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i will kill you
pew pew
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nice knowing!
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oops that was reply to Thomm
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The big problem behind it is that there are polls this year in germany... (Bundestagswahl @ September 2009)

politicians will use this shit for votes... and gun associations (sport shooting) and hunters etc are the "random voters" for CDU/CSU party for example... they will blame the easiest thing with no real lobby etc for it... and those are the games imo... that will please the majority and make them vote... it's sad but true... noone cares about the real facts... a 16year old gamer-kid can't vote... it's all about power, not justice...

we will have a really really hard time this time in germany with our beloved games... i expect them to be banned in common and not only some 18+ restrictions tbh...
Even if it comes down to a 18+ restriction it will be the end for the growing eSports market in germany (ESL with Pro-Series etc)... but hopefully i am wrong...
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Yea I wrote exactly same as comment below. More or less exactly
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simplified and prejudiced idea, always after these incidents they say same and it always felt same. Maybe we should send youngster all way to Siberia so we couldn't do any harm for clever adults, who are suffering from our acts.
Anything about his music taste? I bet he liked metal so he was totally controlled by SATAN!!!! And with maniacs like him, SATAN will take over the world!!!! omg
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QuotePolice identified the gunman only as Tim K. But the name on his parent's home was Kretschmer and local media identified him as Tim Kretschmer.



LOL

flRs name is Kretschmer :DDD
perhaps it was his brother :P
he got the gun from his parent, so i wont primarly blame fps.
he had his own guns afaik
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Something else I want to add:

The reason why politicians now come up again with the idea to blame the games is easy:

People demand help, a solution, something that won't let this happen again.... What can politicians do?

Making a law to ban games can be done within 2 minutes. Changing the society, get better school systems, get all weapons out of private property can't be done easily :)
personally I think this is bullshit, what about the killers who lived before 1980? ;) they hadn't any computer games, but they still killed people.
It probably cannot be stopped, people done this shit and they will do this
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but ppl want something to blame it on... and politicians want to give the ppl want they want to make them vote...

so blame on the thing that gives you the majority of votes... it's like i said earlier about power, not about justice or any kind of logic !
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this is somehow true, but I think they would get 100x times more votes if they for example made games cheaper or smth like that :P it depends on personal thoughts of every politician
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yea, but the murders before 1800 didn't have airplanes either they could hijack and fly into buildings. Still there are high security standards on airports :P

But I get ur point :)
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"«Das Motiv hängt mit dem Internet zusammen», sagte Polizeisprecher Klaus Hinderer am Donnerstag in Waiblingen. Auf den Computern des 17-jährigen Exschülers der Realschule wurde nach seinen Angaben ein Kampfspiel, eine Variante der «Counterstrike»-Spiele, gefunden. Darin sei ein Teil des Motivs für den Amoklauf zu sehen."

Quelle: yahoo.de
I had a nice discussion about this with a teacher couple of weeks ago.

I said, gamer as I am, don't blame videogames (don't you hate that word btw), they're just entertainment. Kids who kill other people are just mentally disturbed kids and playing a game does not cause someone to go berzerk all over the place, the cause is something else. Perhaps that a game can push an already insane person a little bit further to the edge.

He then said something like, "Well, what if you're right and that a violent game can push someone over the edge, or at least 'aid to the cause', to kill other people. If you say that you don't want violent games to be banned, or at least to be part of some sort of well regulated regulation (:D), then you could say that for example 50 people die every year because you want to play your videogames."

Lots of people come up with the argument that 'it perhaps can push someone retarded into being dangerously retarded' but if that's true wouldn't that be enough to put and end to it? I think not, but we do know that games are a different experience than for example movies or books, since games are interactive: You pull the trigger from first person, not Denzel Washington from a 3rd person perspective in a movie.

It's kinda complicated.
It sure is. And our society has get so numb towards violence nowadays, imagine shooting like this in 1970s, it would have been a huge shock. Now people are just "eh, another one?" and make jokes about it.

Not sure if I had a point when I started to rant about this, closed my browser and had to start again, now I don´t remember if I had anything to say.
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Come on!
U can bring that argument in on any random point:

Ban sports, because many people get killed while doing sports.
Ban planes, because there are at least 2 planecrashes per year.
Ban cars, because there are hundreds of crashes everywhere.
Ban sexual intercourses, because many get aids and die.
etc. pp.

Just another way of trying to simplify things to avoid people from realizing the truth and discover the damage in our community.
The favorite way of every politician.
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Valid points :-)
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HE WAS A NERD????? WHAT A FUCKIN SURPRISE!!!! fuckin sick bitch had no life and wanted to kill others before he dies as a virgin, np for him
I heard tank top + love island flag both double the danger of goin amok in ur ex-school.
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where did u hear that ? :o
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People go to war and kill, millions of INOCENT SOLDIERS HAVE DIED BECAUSE OF OUR GOVERMENT... ONE GUY KILLS A COUPLE OF PEOPLE, BUT WE TORTURE AND KILL POOR SOLDIERS AND PEOPLE WATCHING, BUT NOTHING IS DONE.

BAN THE GOVERNMENT AND WAR.
lol of course, games will make you mad and forces you to kill people.. thats old news alreadyu roflol
who doesnt / havent played cs
more adequate question would be if he was on any medicine like prozac
or why the fuck he has a beretta to shoot around.

i havent seen a massacre yet, where the guy kills lots of people with a katana or something like that. guns are the fucking problem.

why the fuck a normal everyday worker needs guns? close them up at where they are used like at military, police etc.
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