LCD tips 2009

by smOke • 29 Aug 2009, 11:02 • Journals
Hi,
last year I was going to buy LCD and people http://www.crossfire.nu/?x=journal&mode=item&id=66936 told me that best for gaming and multimedia is ASUS VW222u. I sticked with my 17" Hyunday ImageQuest but I must leave it at home so another LCD journal from me. Time has changed so what do you think?

My favourite is stil ASUS VW222u 167 Euro, what about some new Samsung or Illyama? Thx for tips and experiences :)

Samsung Syncmaster 226BW or Samsung SyncMaster 2253BW has good reviews too but its hard to buy them, most czech eShops dont have them :( Maybe some new models?
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MOESKROEN 29 Aug 2009, 12:04
Yes buy ultra pro shit for ET
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smOke 29 Aug 2009, 12:06
I want it for casting CS, CSS, CoD2, CoD4, W:ET, TF2, WiC, W3 and MW2 and SC2 :)
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garf 29 Aug 2009, 12:08
i have the asus for some time now and i must say it's like new and never had any problems with it in games or movies etc.i would say it's a good choice and not that expansive oO
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smOke 29 Aug 2009, 14:43
thx for sharing, I will take that :)
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Spirea 29 Aug 2009, 12:11
I got samsung 2233rz. ET is playable with that and finally I got rid of my big crt :/
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Shuki 29 Aug 2009, 12:22
Et is playable with a 75hx monitor until you play on a CRT for a while :)
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Spirea 29 Aug 2009, 12:27
not for me :(
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v3rtigo 29 Aug 2009, 12:15
if you want 22inch, go for Dell 2209WA just read some reviews, everyone praising this screen, and it has E-IPS panel and with that price not getting IPS panel screen is a joke.
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smOke 31 Aug 2009, 12:55
I am not familiar with types of LCD screens, IPS is something better?
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bradur 29 Aug 2009, 12:16
HP w2408h :)
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overdrive 29 Aug 2009, 12:21
samsung 2233 is the best TFT you can buy atm with 120hz displayrefresh and an average outputlag of around 3-4 miliseconds compared to 16ms on default TFT's.

its no CRT, but its damn close to it.
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Shuki 29 Aug 2009, 12:25
16.67 ms is just the time interval between each fram at 60hz not the actual input lag. Unless you are talking about those shitty ancient LCDs.
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overdrive 29 Aug 2009, 14:09
http://esreality.hexus.net/?a=post&id=1735036
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Shuki 29 Aug 2009, 15:10
Quotecompared to 16ms on default TFT's.


I was referring to this part of your comment.
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Spirea 29 Aug 2009, 12:26
any tips how I can make the widescreen resemble a normal crt :d ?
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Shuki 29 Aug 2009, 12:29
Attach a mini-fridge to the back of it.
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smOke 29 Aug 2009, 12:27
Its this? http://www.alfacomp.cz/php/product.php?eid=105145006000000KYO&Search=samsung%202233&SearchType=1 looks good, same prize as ASUS VW222u. Its written 5ms but I saw many articles that this numbers are very biased. Do you have it?
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Spirea 29 Aug 2009, 12:51
5ms doesn't matter. 120hz does
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smOke 29 Aug 2009, 13:02
thank you so this samsung 2233 is better than asus vw222u right?
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Spirea 29 Aug 2009, 13:09
that's right
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smOke 29 Aug 2009, 13:41
Thx, but I cant find this 120MHZ in specification?
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Spirea 29 Aug 2009, 13:52
http://www.clutchkills.com/videos/samsung-2233rz-review/

120 Hz not MHz :)
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smOke 29 Aug 2009, 14:08
My mistake, but finally I have found one small problem - its 470Euro for 2233RZ thats 120Hz one and 2233BW is what I was talikng about damm.
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Spirea 29 Aug 2009, 14:27
yea they are pretty expensive :p
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Ronner 29 Aug 2009, 12:30
sadfully 1680 x 1050 :(
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Shuki 29 Aug 2009, 12:35
Just play 4:3 with black borders and use the 16:10 for movies?
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Ronner 29 Aug 2009, 12:39
I didn't mean that, I meant that 1680x1050 is kinda shitty for developing. I've been using 1920x1200 on a 24inch for a while now and it's so much nicer to have all kinds of panels (nav, debug, console etc) open at all times. With 1680x1050 you just miss that bit of extra space.

I don't game on the tft though. Never could get used to it, so i have two monitors. Vision master Pro 454 for gaming and iiyama prolite e2403ws for developing.
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abort 29 Aug 2009, 12:52
Have to second that as the IDE usually takes up most of the space, it's nice to keep as much coding space as possible =).
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Ronner 29 Aug 2009, 14:36
yup. Eclipse with nav, debug, console, outline etc open (which is nice when coding) will take up quite some space. On a 1920x1200 screen it's doable however :) on a 1680x1050 you just don't have enough space to keep all the things open and still be able to see enough code, so you have to keep switching between maximizing and minimizing your code view, which sucks :D
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Spirea 29 Aug 2009, 15:11
btw, how do u make black borders in ET?

I might try it
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Shuki 29 Aug 2009, 15:13
Well if there is a 4:3 aspect ratio as a feature in the monitor itself it's easiest. However you can do it through nVidia drivers as well.
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Spirea 29 Aug 2009, 15:14
ok, gotta give it a try
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Shuki 29 Aug 2009, 15:31
Some cards have trouble with this feature.

One solution I used on my LG monitor was this.
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abort 29 Aug 2009, 12:36
VX2268WM is doing better. Can't notice any input lag + the 120Hz is actually more clear (no color blur) than on a CRT screen. Have to get used to the widescreen though. The screen also supports 110Hz and 100Hz on native reso.
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Ronner 29 Aug 2009, 12:39
again.. 1680x1050 :(
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abort 29 Aug 2009, 12:41
Wait for the Asus VG242H
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smOke 29 Aug 2009, 12:51
Do you have some tip for good LCD about 170 Euro with good parameters?
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overdrive 29 Aug 2009, 14:10
why do you dislike 16:10 16:9 resolutions? it just needs some time to get used to or am i missing something?
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Ronner 29 Aug 2009, 14:34
read above, it's about more space on screen when developing ;)
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Shuki 29 Aug 2009, 12:45
QuoteVX2268WM is doing better. Can't notice any input lag + the 120Hz is actually more clear than on a CRT screen


Surely this is impossible due to the refresh type.
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abort 29 Aug 2009, 12:51
CRT loses sharpness quite fast and suffers from colour blur. I never said there wasn't any input lag, I just said it is unnoticeable.
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Shuki 29 Aug 2009, 12:55
Regular TN - Panels have 6-bit colour which use dithering in order to try and replicate 24-bit through dithering. CRTs are so much better for colour reproduction.
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abort 29 Aug 2009, 12:57
Where did I deny that? It's just easier to track models, because they appear better in fast motion. I guess it's also just a combination with the sharpness.

Any good designer works on a CRT because of the way better colours. I know that =P.
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Shuki 29 Aug 2009, 13:01
I find good CRTs to be sharper than good TFTs.
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spiROZE 29 Aug 2009, 13:25
I got a Samsung P2270 (1920*1080) atm but my graphic card ain't good enough to run that resolution ^^ so tuesday I'm gonna buy a new card (100€) so I can use this screen decently :)
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overdrive 29 Aug 2009, 14:15
buy gx260 @ 170 € its a beast of a video card and worth every penny you put into it. best performance / euro you can get atm.
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spiROZE 29 Aug 2009, 15:10
I'm gonna order a new pc next week (tones), I'm just gonna buy a new graphics card for my old pc (wich will still be used by my parents and my brother).. and my old pc only supports AGP-cards.. It's the Radeon HD 3850 512MB AGP card (one of the best agp cards that are still on the market).. any news yet on the upcomping 5xxx series? should I wait on that or will they be overpriced during the first months and I'm better off buying a 4890?
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