pok3rstylez

I know alot of you guys are obsessed by poker, well so am I. I'm thinking about buying a book to get anymore of the pokerstylez, I'm not talking about a beginner book ofc but a real pro book. Any of you guys know what to get for my christmas =)?

extra: I'm thinking about playing again poker online at pok3rstars since that's where the most online players are.. good choise?

Grtz
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you should get another hobby:(
I play tennis too!
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poker is too overhyped :c
Start with basic books like Harrington On Hold'em trilogy. You can easily get it from the t0rrentz.
Play vs your brother? heads up? xD
I played so much already with him that we both know our gamestlyez 100% .. you could say that then we should change our tactic against eachother, but that's not that necassary yet cause we usually play in a group and we don't want to see each other lose :D and our opponents are usually guys who play dumb
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so you wanna become pro by playing vs retards? xD meh online poker is overrated:p You can't see the facial expressions:p Which sometimes reveils flaws or how shall I say it: fear to get callled:p
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wnb kotkis
wnb vanhis
zegt gij mss is eerst wie ge zijt ipv u onder zo ne fake acc te hiden , busted cheater


hehe x
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Deja vu ! love you too eh
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books are crap , if you know how to play the game just develop your own style...

Reading about some other guys about how they play AK or how they won a tourney with a crap hand really can't interest me...
Dont like posting shit about poker on cf, cause rarely people know what there talking about. Developing your own style is great and everything, but adapting to other peoples style is allot more imporatant. There is tons you can learn from reading books.

spiroze - Buy this http://www.amazon.com/Harrington-Expert-Strategy-Limit-Tournaments/dp/1880685337


Hes tight but it will devolop your game allot.
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I seriously doubt you play higher stakes as I do , only know vanhaomena , iron & mind play higher stakes than me...

So I really think poker books are utter crap.. You need to adapt to the players on your table , what is a book going to tell you about that? None of the players you play against are described there.. Every situation is different so for me throw them as far away as you can
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Regardsless, the statement "So I really think poker books are utter crap" Is a load of bollox to be fair. Make a post on any Poker related forums saying reading Poker books are useless with regards to devoloping your game, watch the lol.

Of course you need to adapt your own style to the other players at the tables style, but as Im sure you know, you can never stop learning in poker. Reading books widens your knowledge of the game.
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Experience by playing > book knowledge

Same as in science
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They go hand in hand
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Envolves less mathematic, chances... xD Can't be compared... =(

I will have to say these harsh words: GTFO!

A horse and a tower is not the same as some cards!
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if you think poker requires more thinking your pretty stupid. difference is luck is a very big factor in poker, in chess there is no luck, only skill.
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"Luck" is not a factor when considering poker strategy & amount of thinking required.
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How much I love the game I still have to say eventhough you can make a 100% perfect play , Luck sometimes takes it all away..

Chess is completely your own mind so chess > poker in what he's saying
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You gonna make a strategy based on a "Probability theory" which is not guaranteed so it somehow always depends a bit on luck :)
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What's not guaranteed? A correct decision is a correct decision no matter what the outcome is.

Short-term results depend on luck. Strategy and thinking, which were the things I was talking about, do not.
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The term "correct decision" is only made at the end after the hand is played :)

Ofcourse I get your point and I know a noob can't reach a flying fuck with poker just by luck but don't say luck isn't part of a poker game :)
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QuoteThe term "correct decision" is only made at the end after the hand is played :)


"Correct guess" is what you can determine after the hand (or after everyone tells what they had), but "correct decision" is based on game theory and probability... The correct decision means the same as "most profitable play" - the most profitable play is always to make the move which has the highest expected value. Example:

1) Kotkis bets his last 2000$ on the river into a 5000$ pot. You have KK on a board of KQ822. The correct decision is clearly to call the bet as you're extremely likely to win the hand. You call, Kotkis shows 22. There's no arguing whether your decision to call was correct or not...

2) You have 42o in the next hand. Kotkis shoves 9000$ in the middle preflop. The correct decision would be to fold since your chance of winning is clearly below 50%. You however call because you feel lucky, kotkis shows 32o and the flop is 444. Calling was absolutely the wrong decision although the guess was correct :P

Luck is a part of the game. Luck is not a part of the strategy, however.
Making the most profitable play, in other words the correct decision, is completely up to the player and luck or superstition won't change that. Your decisions determine your skill as a player, and skill and luck together will determine your results. However we weren't talking about $-wise results (which are affected by luck), but skill, strategy & thinking (which are not affected by luck).
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bullshit and you know it. chess is just way harder to be really good at then poker.
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Maybe you replied to the wrong person, I didn't say anything related to that, I said

Quote"Luck" is not a factor when considering poker strategy & amount of thinking required.


Also for some people (and all artificial intelligence systems) chess is easier than poker - and guess what, in both games "absolute skill" has no relevance: it's about your skill in relation to the skill of your opponents, which is usually very low in poker.

Also mindfuck: poker isn't a game
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its a way of life.
+chess is easier for highly gifted people yes. and you really cant say luck isnt a part of poker. of course if you have a good strategy you chances will increase, but luck is still a factor.
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1on1 Blitz game on www.uchess.com now! :D I use the same nick there.
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have to go to school in 30 min :( maybe tonight
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learn to read.. Where do I say it envolves thinking, your argument is totally irrelevant!
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+1, chess is awesome
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it's all about the openings. how many do you know?

and don't google
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For me that sounds like saying "Playing ET > selling cheeseburgers at McVomit"

More enjoyable, yes, but less profitable
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true, but chess is just the ultimate 1on1 thinking game.
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Get free books via http://www.twoplustwo.com/
(including the book flushje mentioned, which i already got off that).
you can download them

you should read Super System (1 & 2) by Doyle Brunson. I guess that's one of the best ones (only one I read.:))
there are sites you can watch videos on if u aint into reading.

pocketfives.com prolly has a list of em somewhere
I was thinking about that aswell but I'm playing so good since I started and I'm scared that I'll play completely different if I read all those pro tips :D I did read up on some stuff like probabilities etc and I think Im good for now on the tips, already got lil over 50 cents on everest :P I'm just gonna learn it myself playing for small ammounts and then steadily raising so I can get a feel for playing with real money. I'm pretty good in the finals on them tournaments I've been in ~12 or so and only came second twice so we'll see how it goes :p
I'm pretty sure that you're not playing good at all at the moment :P

If reading pro tips will change your style, then it's almost surely a change for the better. I mean, pro players usually know what they're talking about
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Prolly not but I'm not playing for hundreds of thousands or even millions. I have a really good feel of guessing what other players have and I'm especially good in 1on1's or when its down to the final 3.. but then I'm playing noobs... Wonder how you started, bet you made thousands on your first day.. btw fu for not answering my pm even tho Ic ant even rmember what I wrote and prolly made no sense anyways
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Do you think reading someones advice will somehow destroy your ability to guess what other people have? o.O
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vila seems to not have understood the point.

I'll bet 100$, that almost every good highstakes pokerplayer has read Super Systems 1 or 2.

Books are amazing it really helps you develop your game. But even more important try getting your math in shape that's really important.
Deal


Most pokerpro's don't read books or watch pokershows on tv, only big tourneys to see if they made a wrong play or w/e, but they don't watch the whole show, just their move...

Do books about football learn you how to play football? No they don't
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They do!

Online high stakes players perhaps don't. But guys like Patrik, Moneymaker,Gus,Eastgate, Doyle and even the new wsop champ cada are/were big time readers.

Esfandari & Jamie gold even said that the reason why they're such a good players are because of the good litterateur there is about poker.
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Ok thx for the lol of the morning.
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If you ever read his book you'll really get the impression how fast learner and who good he is.

Never underestimate him :)
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