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15 Dec 2009, 22:52
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I know alot of you guys are obsessed by poker, well so am I. I'm thinking about buying a book to get anymore of the pokerstylez, I'm not talking about a beginner book ofc but a real pro book. Any of you guys know what to get for my christmas =)?
extra: I'm thinking about playing again poker online at pok3rstars since that's where the most online players are.. good choise?
Grtz
extra: I'm thinking about playing again poker online at pok3rstars since that's where the most online players are.. good choise?
Grtz
hehe x
Reading about some other guys about how they play AK or how they won a tourney with a crap hand really can't interest me...
spiroze - Buy this http://www.amazon.com/Harrington-Expert-Strategy-Limit-Tournaments/dp/1880685337
Hes tight but it will devolop your game allot.
So I really think poker books are utter crap.. You need to adapt to the players on your table , what is a book going to tell you about that? None of the players you play against are described there.. Every situation is different so for me throw them as far away as you can
Of course you need to adapt your own style to the other players at the tables style, but as Im sure you know, you can never stop learning in poker. Reading books widens your knowledge of the game.
Same as in science
I will have to say these harsh words: GTFO!
A horse and a tower is not the same as some cards!
Chess is completely your own mind so chess > poker in what he's saying
Short-term results depend on luck. Strategy and thinking, which were the things I was talking about, do not.
Ofcourse I get your point and I know a noob can't reach a flying fuck with poker just by luck but don't say luck isn't part of a poker game :)
"Correct guess" is what you can determine after the hand (or after everyone tells what they had), but "correct decision" is based on game theory and probability... The correct decision means the same as "most profitable play" - the most profitable play is always to make the move which has the highest expected value. Example:
1) Kotkis bets his last 2000$ on the river into a 5000$ pot. You have KK on a board of KQ822. The correct decision is clearly to call the bet as you're extremely likely to win the hand. You call, Kotkis shows 22. There's no arguing whether your decision to call was correct or not...
2) You have 42o in the next hand. Kotkis shoves 9000$ in the middle preflop. The correct decision would be to fold since your chance of winning is clearly below 50%. You however call because you feel lucky, kotkis shows 32o and the flop is 444. Calling was absolutely the wrong decision although the guess was correct :P
Luck is a part of the game. Luck is not a part of the strategy, however.
Making the most profitable play, in other words the correct decision, is completely up to the player and luck or superstition won't change that. Your decisions determine your skill as a player, and skill and luck together will determine your results. However we weren't talking about $-wise results (which are affected by luck), but skill, strategy & thinking (which are not affected by luck).
Also for some people (and all artificial intelligence systems) chess is easier than poker - and guess what, in both games "absolute skill" has no relevance: it's about your skill in relation to the skill of your opponents, which is usually very low in poker.
Also mindfuck: poker isn't a game
+chess is easier for highly gifted people yes. and you really cant say luck isnt a part of poker. of course if you have a good strategy you chances will increase, but luck is still a factor.
and don't google
More enjoyable, yes, but less profitable
(including the book flushje mentioned, which i already got off that).
you should read Super System (1 & 2) by Doyle Brunson. I guess that's one of the best ones (only one I read.:))
pocketfives.com prolly has a list of em somewhere
If reading pro tips will change your style, then it's almost surely a change for the better. I mean, pro players usually know what they're talking about
I'll bet 100$, that almost every good highstakes pokerplayer has read Super Systems 1 or 2.
Books are amazing it really helps you develop your game. But even more important try getting your math in shape that's really important.
Most pokerpro's don't read books or watch pokershows on tv, only big tourneys to see if they made a wrong play or w/e, but they don't watch the whole show, just their move...
Do books about football learn you how to play football? No they don't
Online high stakes players perhaps don't. But guys like Patrik, Moneymaker,Gus,Eastgate, Doyle and even the new wsop champ cada are/were big time readers.
Esfandari & Jamie gold even said that the reason why they're such a good players are because of the good litterateur there is about poker.
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Ok thx for the lol of the morning.
Never underestimate him :)