RaZiel used negative accel ?

QuoteAfter unzipping anywhere, just some folder. Get it up and running, discard the message about the path of the game.
Click the picture of the ime3.0 mouse. Then click the second "show" button. "Mouse properties". Then you will
probably see something like this. If Enhanced pointer precission is on "1-5-10" and Sensitivity "10". That
is default values. Td4mouse1.jpg shows that.

So what is the reason for all this? Well, as far as I know. My program is the only one able to change these values
manually. In XP it's either on or off. If it's off, then all the values on the right side will show 0-0-0. Meaning
no acceleration at all. Read some of the text, but I found it useful with the ime3.0 mouse to put those values
on 2-2-5, and I used max windows sensitivity (thats the value labeled Mousespeed) at 20. It's not the
same as windows acceleration. But I believe it was a way of Microsoft to cheat ppl into believing the mouse
pointer itself actually was a lot smoother, because it did use a little negative acceleration instead.
Read the explaining text. When you can manually change the values, I just accidently found some values that
suited perfect for me. Used them ever since.


Just one question. Why ?
Dont really get it what is the benefit of useing that.
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QuoteI just accidently found some values that
suited perfect for me.


he just liked them :/

everyone has their own settings when it comes to mouse settings and obviously a bit o` neg accel was what raziel liked :)
isnt negative accel a bad thing ?
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It's bad if you don't expect it, and you wonder why you're falling short when you aim. But as long as you know it's there, then it's fine to have - if you like it.
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this sounds so bullshit xDdd
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its true though.

as long as you're used to it being there it doesn't reduce your performance.
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hij heeft gelijk aap
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could you explain what negative accel is at all?

i've been wondering for ages now :(
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_%28computing%29#Mouse_speed

But basically: The longer you move your mouse, the faster your pointer will be. So, you move your mouse 1 cm and it moves 1 cm on screen, but if you move it 2 cm then it might move 2.5 cm on screen (or if you moved 3 cm then it might move 4 cm on screen). Negative mouse accel is the opposite, the distance it moves on screen goes down instead of up.
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Isnt that the same as invert mouse settings?
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No. Invert mouse settings, inverts the mouse i believe. So you move right, the screen moves left (i believe). Negative accel is when the more you move your mouse, the less speed the mouse moves with.
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QuoteNegative mouse accel is the opposite, the distance it moves on screen goes down instead of up.


?? god Im so bad at this :D
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Well. Acceleration is an increasing rate of movement. I.e. i move the mouse 1cm, and it travels 10 pixels, for the next cm of movement it travels 20pixels (thats 2cm of constant movement, not seperate btw) =30pixels. Negative accel means that the first cm is 10pixels, and the second cm 8 = 18pixels.

Thats kinda the concept, no where near exact ^_^
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O OK thanks for explaining, one day I'll be a nerd like you >:)
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thanks for the explanation! =)
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well some would consider it a bad thing, but considering you have not been at raziels pc and played with it on his game it may or may not feel different than anyone else that trys to use neg accel. i dont think you can ever have the EXACT same feel in sensitivity by just with trying someones settings because i feel the environment that you are playing in has an effect aswell. Obviously neg accel with your tree for a mousepad would feel different to neg accel with his glass pad or what ever he had.

so unless you could have the EXACT same feel as him when he uses it then i guess we cant really pinpoint why he thinks it works :P
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Strange, i have a ms1.1 and a razer da, I like the ms more, feels comfortible but i have to use more cl_mouseaccel ingame with that. I think it has some negative accel. If yes then its really weird neg accel + more pos accel should fuck up the aim but NO, its really good. Only the one reason i use the deathadder is because at hard movements ms stops :-/ (i use low sensi with accel)

But now maybe i can make the same for the deathadder ?! gonna try somehow
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Check my reply, you don't even know half of the story, you have to look at the hardware aswell, not only the software(aka settings)

furthermore what you describe is actually what my conclusion says... Use the settings that YOU prefer! if that's some wacko settings with accel, use it though i would never recommend it myself and if you wonder why, because it takes away the stability..

No i'm not saying you can't aim with that, I'm saying it's possible in harder duels where u have to switch targets alot that ur sens will be different from a normal situation causing u to OVERshoot people(yes i tried accel once myself) which wouldn't have happened if you had played with the same sens for years ;)

All people will agree that changing your sens every day isn't really a good idea because that way you never get used to it ;) Well FOR ME Acceleration feels like changing my sens@random every day, maybe even every 5 minutes :p)

Hope I helped you out ;)
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No you didnt help because I am not stupid. Plus Where did i say I want to use his settings ?

I agree that you shouldnt change you settings.
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You are a stupid person if you're asking why raziel used neg acceleration because as i explained he never used negative acceleration, he used it to compensate the flaw in his mouse resulting in perfect tracking, which you can achieve by removing windows' accel and using a decent mouse like the deathadder, ms,mx510 or more advanced..
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tried 2-2-5 with DA and its a negative accel
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Like i said it's negative accel curve because a mx310 (the mouse he used back then) had positive accel curve of 2-2-5 (he found that out by trial&error)
--->>> + amount of accel minus - exact amount of accel = no accel

But your DA has no positive accel if you have patched your OS with the no accel patch ;)

Also what raziel didn't know whas that he included the mousefix of CPL but he actually never used it since he overwrote those settings with the 2-2-5 curve(smoothx, smoothy)

So basically he created he's own way of getting rid of the positive acceleration the mx310 gave ;)
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sir, that makes sense. i came to the same conclusion a few years ago. nice reply
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Oké just to get it all right: Raziel used a negative accel curve BUT actually he was playing without accel since a mx310 had a flaw that added accel he removed it with those values ;) He didn't know he actually did but he countered the positive accel the mouse had by giving it a negative accel himself ;)

resulting in raziel played without mouse acceleration

Conclusion: Does it matter what he used? use what you like, what feels good, it will benefit you more in the end ;)
Like Spie used the oldest shitty mouse in the history of the universe but still played med+
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Ya right buddy! ^^
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playing this game ince 2003, pardon but who are you ?
You do know me, I played with you MANY TIMES....... I quit ET and keep my ALIAS TO 0% now.... and yes I played since 2003
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2003? 7 years ago?
so you played ET on highest level when you were 12 / 13 years old ?...sure
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What? erm no :D, I only reached high in 2005 (late) /2006... I did play with him plenty of times under my old alias. In 2003 I was nub, playing RTCW and ET... I pubbed all the time with shitty old doctors mouse.
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i must been 2 newschool for that then...

started playing ET around 2005 ( but more etpub then et pro )
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xD, you missed ET in it's glory days. Although I gotta say 2005 was the best years of ET and my gaming life. I had the best friends who used to always be on and quite a lot of time off school due to lots of problems with the shitty school :D.

Ahhh loved them days :DDD
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2005/06? UK? Highskill? Wasn't in United KingdomSoF?

No.
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Sorry but I dont remember playing with someone from UK and he was highskill or something :o
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We was around med/+ then.

You were better than me, you was carrying a little bit :)
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cos he's full of it, he keeps talking how he was "GOOD" and he played with "GOOD" players back in the days with another alias but he never shows his old nick or any kind of proof

and yes, I've been playing back then and I have no idea who he is, only one that comes close to his nick from 2004/2005 is some iDan guy that played in a shit clan called net angels or something, and that iDan guy was crap
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haha you're talking about Idan? the san08 guy?:DDDDD just because I have Dan in my name doesn't mean I'm Idan from Israel lol tard.
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dumb a bit eh, talking about iDan from UK that played in a clan with net: tag in 2004/2005, and you peculiarly had that here on cf also, exactly the same
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Never played for net:, ever. I don't team hop. I was in 1 clan =GK= for many many years, after than in Promo Gaming, eSport etc...
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genesis knights? jeez they were lower than low, I remember we used to play pistols only vs them, and promo gaming with diza and vizion? they were medmax
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Excuse me but we didn't lose a game in Promo Gaming @ offi... =GK= was in 2003-2004 (early 2003 I think to late 2004)

danL you're like med max still now, you always have been med. You lose 90% of your mixes ;)
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you played an offi with promo? can't find on cb

and I'm still struggling to see with whom you reached "high", was it GK, promo, ik maybe? :DD

what mixes are you talking about?
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supa26 on 18/01/10, 08:18:40 GMT

GL iDan ;)

DanTheVanxxx on 18/01/10, 08:20:04 GMT

TY super pwner

????
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Notice the i CapiFUCKINGtal D? Not Idan, from israel??? lol you're a tard.
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whatever Neca said

and fanboy detected! ur aim wont improve by reading some text files some random owner made.
Thx hollander en natuurlijk ebt gij ook gelijk! :p

Speelt gij nog ET?^^
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yep speel nog ET, niet meer zo active enkel back-up/fanboy @ saiko :D
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Hehe mss dat ik binnekort weer es begin maar nu toch al tijdje gestopt met het ownen van noobs! :-D
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I hate it when people ask for sensitivity...
Sens is different for every pc, depends on so much things.
Not really. So how could I set my sensitivity perfect on lan ?
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i mean across persons.
We have different fov, windows sens, mousepad, mouse hertz, and different arm / hands

so if you dont think about that and just ask sens ur stupid
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DanTheVanxxx played against him in 1on1 and out aimed him plenty of times.. Still speaks to him now and again. He could ask him but it would be pointless.
Want Arni's email?
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If your sister is called Arni count me in.
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That would mean she is a man. Sure thing bruva.
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No it would not.
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his email adres is on the end of center of aggression so that doesnt proof shit
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Well I've never seen it tbh....
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were you close 2 him ? and i mean back in the day did u talk to him alot ?
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Suiy hasnt been taking his tablets :(( but apart from that we are all good :P
Ah right I see, must be hard playing with his random conversations that are no way relevant to the match nor life :D
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DanTheVanxxx played against him in 1on1 and out aimed him plenty of times.. Still speaks to him now and again. He could ask him but it would be pointless.
accel no accel sens 10 or 1 if you have aim u can play with whatever
Not exactly true, try tracking someone with 10 sens when you've been playing with 0.4 for 5 years. Impossible to track, ofcourse you can hit them but when they strafe it's near impossible to keep locked on. Even you would fail, otherwise make .avi and prove you can adapt that quick to high sens.
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Says mystic? I played with sens 20 mouseaccel this and that and still aimed well, not my top aim but it was still very good ;)
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Sure every-one can do that but that means you aim with your eyes not with your muscle memory or something. Thats why I always need long warmup when I am not in mood to play.
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I also first need warmup in quakelive in practise mode for a half hour or hour, And then I play online matches.
And what you said muscle memory thats what I mean by observing constantly...but I couldn't find the word for it, Thanks for that.
And the funny thing after doing muscle memory so much times you get sick of it it starts to get automaticly without thinking I think this is the best part of gaming in games.
I just love it when you finaly get it right after so so much months..
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But be honest, would you say that you could play in an official with 20 sens and still win? Even after being a low sens of negative 0.X and still hit 50+ acc? I tried playing with a higher sens. I got so many headshots but not too many body shots.

I wouldn't even try playing seriously with a high sens.
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I am a accelration player, when i removed it i had the same stat just didnt felt comfortible thats all. It's all about what you like and you will be almost the same :)
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If I would put my sensitivity x 5 I would still aim decent, no mather what :P
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but you are the god :(

teach me to aim :D

E: i have used the exact same settings as you did on CiC7 for 2 years now :O
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fanboy :-)))))
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no :( just obviously recognising he has an awesome aim :<
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huge fanboy then
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oh come on. you cant say urself that he doesnt have a good aim..
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"teach me to aim" even i could teach you..
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i am better than u so wtf is the point xD
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atleast im not asslicking maus
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Imo asslicking would be the only option in a case like this.
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im just kidding..
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xD got banned by fag admins because they befriend tards on here :D... trying to watch this danL bust me for someone using my config, i do know who it is though, he's a tard and thinks because someone uses my name switcher it's me. The IP's don't match, the PBGUID don't match. There was no way in 2005 that you could PBGUID spoof afaik :DDDDDDDD

enjoy it :DDDDDDDDDDDD

2low2cheat tbh....

PS... these are the guys we fullheld on GR and they won't admit it.
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nice trolling your fanbois :,<
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Okay I would like to take on that challenge..
Try my settings I use in a game sens 5 5600 dpi no mouseaccel accelfix for winxp razersens 10 windows sens normal and 1000 hz allthough im not sure razersens is on razer mamba mouse..
It took me some years to master..
And maybe I start playing ET again but im afraid I stay at quakelive cause there is almost no whine..and ET is ruined by whine and suspicion..
If only I could show in ET what im made of that would be so relieving and statisfying.
Oh and btw you need a razer mamba if you want 5600 dpi to try..and see the sickness of speed.
I noticed theres no razersens on the mamba mouse options dont know why...anyway If you think its easy your wrong it takes so much time cause its moving less then or half millimeters with your hand...I cant explain you would need to experience that feeling for yourself...and maybe im the only person in gaming land who goes to so high dpi..
But people always have different tastes and you can say what you want about negative accel blabla not good or are you crazy, but a positive thing can be my hands are sweating but my hand or arm doesnt get tired..even after 5 hours intensive gaming..in quakelive when I use rocket launcher I need about 1 cm or 1.5 to hit with a rocket..average..its like your eyes see and your hand is between standing still and moving..and that feeling now im going slow enough was still too fast.
But I said this allready and you have to see it for yourself..that the human body can learn even these kind of very slow hand moves..I dont know why I tell you all this maybe because im bored..
Also if your very accurate in aiming...could you be fast enough?
With turning? I can do on my icemat black in both quakelive and ET about 60 x 360.
And you use low dpi low sens who would be faster then, you or me?.
Btw your second movie is nice but the headshots are not super impressive they are impressive almost same as mAx but not that you can say wow thats amazing..take a example on mAx observe the movies of mAx closely..and see how you can try to take on a next level..just my 2 cents..no offense..
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i don't understand the whine about settings, i can perform with sens 1 or sens 10, i'm not saying i will be at the top but i will still aim good...

but what you are saying... 60 x 360 ? that's just insane, why would you even play with a sensitivity like that? oke a 1 x 360 or 10 x 360 but 60x ?
well two options...
1) you're uber noob
2) or well... you're just sick in the head :D

there is no need for such a high sens in any shooter, and don't tell me you will win a duel in QL cause u can do a 180 in 1ms... the perfect sens is what feels good, not how much acc/hs you shoot... it's all about the feeling

and btw, about the turning part...
you would be faster yeah, but what will the extra 1-2ms do?
oke you're a lil bit faster, but i will turn around and nail you down ;)
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well I have over 1000 wins in quakelive and yes maybe thats uber noob, but I let you decide that...and in duel I got whine about my shotgun hitting..like people say sure..with rocket launcher my average in statistics is 43 with 53% use..and im starting to learn rail gun now & lightning gun / machinegun.
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well the way u talk, starting to learn ... pls :D
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in what way do you mean that?
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why delete comment where it reveals you're a shitface that had invoke? :D
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You always have and always will think I cheat :D. Just because I did 1 good game on valhalla, why would I let people spectate me if I 'had aimbot on full'? I just find it ironic that the people who accused me of cheating were busted themselves and happened to be admin on crossfire and the LANS.

Which BTW was in 2004?
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I didn't delete anything, don't believe me go and see the cheat busters for IP matches and why guids all of a sudden change. I played then guids changed cheater, and I'm playing completely different GUID.

As soon as I see a danL bust, I'll be sure to get you banned for someone using your name pussy.
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guids all of a sudden change? what? the etpro guid stayed the same, pbguid was changed(that's real hard to change isn't it) and the nick is the same all the way, so either the guy that you claim isn't you loves your nick sooooo much or you're a stupid liar

and go ahead, when you see someone using my nick, my guid and is from the same area as me gets busted, you can get me banned 5 times if you want

as I wrote in the post that followed your deleted ones, the etpro guid is the same all the way(it wasn't that easy to spoof someone elses guid in 2006), the nick is there all the time(it even says iDan cless, iDan@mp3 etc) and the area is the same as yours(midlands) so...
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Yes and the guy was my RL mate, I fuckin linked you to his xfire, he was logged in like a year ago. He lived like 3 doors away, now he lives 2miles away.

Perhaps you should take a look back at 2005 and the hacking methods, there was no PBGUID SPOOFER AFAIK. On YAWN I asked them why it changed and why did it link my clean account and why did I get the same etpro guid after 3 years of not playing with new internet provider and computer. They said it doesn't matter, just unlucky and that it's not a bust since none of it matches. PB even just shook it off and said unlucky matching...

The guys name is Flex, he used my config which had a name switch (z was name echo and p was setname) tbh I had many names in there which he never used. I never used Flex, that's blackman talk (which Flex is). Yes I had @cless and @mp3 in my scripts, not like I should be explaining it to you.

Seriously all you're going on is a name??? ffs
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QuotePerhaps you should take a look back at 2005 and the hacking methods, there was no PBGUID SPOOFER AFAIK. On YAWN I asked them why it changed and why did it link my clean account and why did I get the same etpro guid after 3 years of not playing with new internet provider and computer. They said it doesn't matter, just unlucky and that it's not a bust since none of it matches. PB even just shook it off and said unlucky matching...

none of what you wrote here makes sense, honestly, read it yourself and tell me what were you trying to say with all that jibberish you wrote
yes, I know there was no pbguid spoofer, why is that relevant? what changed? what is unlucky, that you had the same etpro guid? that's unlucky? I don't get it really, translate it into english if possible

why don't you show your yawn from 2006 so we can compare
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I quit in 2006...

I sold my computer in 2005 (before xmas) the cheats start at that time. He played ET and cheated obviously. He finally admitted to it after many arguments at school... could quit easily get him on here to prove himself... but wtf has it got to do with you tbh....

The guids change because he's a completely different person to me, he had same ISP different ISP in 2005/2006 NTL were the only company to supply fast broadband internet afaik.

Nothing matches but the name, so please :/
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Perhaps instead of shouting cheater and do some research you will find I'm clean and always have been.

If you say you beat me in 2mins (lol fuck off u liar) then you sir must be extra hacker hey? LOL NO you lost, always have been shit haven't you?:))))

Also why would I, if I hate cheaters so much, write anti-cheat methods for ET, keep ET alive, bust other players, moan about cheaters...

Now go along on your shitty little bike, find where I've ever been banned for cheating, where you can prove it's me....

pussy ole
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perhaps instead of bragging how you were HIGH and pretending you were(are) so good you could tell the truth and say you were shit then and you will always be, you used invoke because you wanted to be better than you really were and we can move along

and as for everything else you wrote, god you're stupid :D
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Perhaps you should do more research into me then... Dan hasn't always been my name...

Invoke? I honestly' don't know what it is, wallhack? sounds like it tbh... and I tried to improve my skill by what? downloading a known hack and using it on random public servers? lol don't make me laugh pussy ffs...

shout cheater all you want, no proof.
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I needn't more research, there's nothing to research tbh, no1 seems to know you from then eventhough you claim you were highskilled, I can only find records of you being in shit clans, so how does one research you to confirm your claims of being an awesome player?

and invoke wasn't that known then as you say
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I have no idea what Invoke is, nor do I care... I guess it was a public hack since my friend was living with carers who didn't buy him anything really.

If it helps the specs I can list
1.7GHZ AMD
ATI 9800 graphics card?
1gb ram
Asus motherboard
80GB HDD

I got new comp before xmas, it was
AMD DUAL CORE 4400+
NVIDIA 7800GT
2GB RAM
FATALITY MOBO ABIT
200GB HDD

So go and check hardware if possible you will see the change, I know PB has this info since he did receive a PB BAN.... thankssss
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not that im an awesome aimer etc but its true what hes saying

im changing my sensivity every map (actually my dpi) because on some maps you cant play with a highsens (what im used to) like supply, a lowsens is way better. For maps like grush I use higher dpi and for maps like adler I use average dpi etc

i got used to play like this after my break (of almost 2 years), it just an habit after all
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You must be really unstable player
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not really, you can ask all players i play/ed with, my aim is very stable :x i got used by doing this
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im not going to ask them :D
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ye no doubt :p but i no problem of tracking even by changing my sensivity
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I actually do almost the same thing, so no doubt about it :))

But i dont change it each map.
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it depends of the map, example for grush and adler i got the same settings, if we go on supply i lower a bit my dpi to have a lower sens, for radar also, for delivery i use a highsens etc =)
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I just read this reply - I don't like him.
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i think players nowadays are better than he was
oh really ?:p
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THAT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THIS CONVERSATION, fucking noob.


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LOL STILL A MEMBER AFTER ALL THIS TIME :D
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better check out who u are talking to
before posting stuff like "noob"
you fucking noob.
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LOL ANGRY NOOB IS ANGRY
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LOLOLOL YA GOT SERVED NIGGA
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probably the reason why after a 2 years~ break when you try a comeback you feel rusty :D.
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i do not try a comeback! i play just for fun, i have no time to play serious, otherwise i would be the world class player i was before within a few weeks
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ye if you want to play sometimes dont forget to come on #elatus! :D
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probably the best 1o1 valhalla panzer player.. :D
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I miss your MG-tactics.
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en wat was t probleem?
do u rly think its cool to spam his email here? :D
Yes you did ego quit, either you or nick faker.... and no that is not me, once again another fail. RuBix is not me, just because someone uses my config with like 2-3 of my names it's me? Lol tard.
well I dunno dewd, he's from UK, from your area(midlands) and he seems to have your etpro guid and really likes your nick(he even calls himself iDan.cless for you), he listens to mp3 with it and all, he uses your nick like 10 times, even 2 years later he still loves your nick, weird guy heh, plus he likes cheats, but who wouldn't want to fake a HIGHSKILLER like you

and I don't get where you're going with that screenshot
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http://www.xfire.com/profile/xiaolinsoul/

This guy is Flex, ironically my RL friend. Notice the ban, his IP matched aswell. Oops.
Also erm? Nope I think it was fullhold on our behalf if it was correct you. You didn't even manage to get the tank. I had I think it was a 8man kill on you.
its saturday, lets wank on something else shall we?
Affirmative_Accel is da best
:( im sad admin.. it was funny! long cat!
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Wow that's long.
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Drama about RaZieL using negative accel?

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