Taking it to the next level against cheaters!
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2 Apr 2007, 23:33
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News
Warleagues is proud to announce that we are now 100% compatible with PBBans for all our games. This means that Warleagues REQUIRE that all games must be played on a PBBans streamed server. This means that WarLeagues now offers the highest level of security against cheaters. We hope that all fair gamers will enjoy this new addition to WarLeagues.
Warleagues have recruited a new security officer that will handle all issues regarding cheats and his name is mRx, and without further ado let's hear from our new staff member and a guild to streaming.
So mRx, Can you tell us a bit about yourself and what your new job entails?
Warleagues have decided that all servers used for any of WarLeagues cups/ladders, should be streaming to www.PBBans.com
Below is a guild to setup streaming on your server and info on what its all about.
What is streaming?
When you stream to pbbans you are streaming your sv_cheat.log / svlogs and your sv_viol.log in real time to an EvenBalance repository,they are then parsed and any detected cheat violations are auto added to the Master Ban Index(MBI) this effectively stops anyone claiming a "rogue" admin framed them with falsified logs or screenshots. PBBans will scan for known cheat cvars and cheat files within the game directory, if anything is detected a ban will be applied regardless of wether the cheat is actively running or not.
If you have no cheat cvars or cheat files on your pc you have nothing to fear, so its in your best interest's to make your mpcfg read only and to make sure you do not have any cvars that will earn you a ban in your mp.cfg
Most of the newer cheat releases are run outside of the game directory and the features are toggled on and off via cvar, we also look for things that are unique to this type of cheat such as log/txt/cfg files and pk3's for cheats that use console commands instead of cvars.
Why do we need to stream?
Its simple, no one can falsify a log entry and all pbss are accompanied by their digital signature (MD5#)
This will allow WL staff to concentrate more on the day to day running of the cups/ladders and make the whole process a lot more streamlined and efficient.
The PBBans recommended streaming method is via the PBBans Hub.
You have the choice of initiating streaming via rcon or using the FTP method. From the user feedback we get it would seem the rcon method is the most popular and less prone to user error. Before streaming can be initiated there are a few things you need to do first.
1.Register at www.pbbans.com
First step is to register at the site and the forums.We require every one to register for vetting reasons. We dont want cheaters or past cheaters to have access to the PBBans site or forum and every new registrant gets vetted for any past cheat convictions. If you have a cheat conviction then you are denied a full forum account and are prohibited from taking part in anything PBBans related.
2.Team account
When done with the registration you need a Team account.
With the Team account can you manage your own server(s), you can add/delete/change IP and a lot more, so no more posting and waiting if changes need to be made.
You can also submit screenshots for review via the Team account so posting the log info and the .png on the forum is no longer needed. All you need to make a pbss submission is the original .png. With the Team account comes a pbbans signature that shows live banning/streaming status/last banned etc etc
Team Account Requests
If you already stream to PBBans but have no team account you can request one here (do not forget to include the server IP/Port in the post)
http://www.pbbans.com/forums/index.php?showforum=395
3.PBBans recommended streaming method Hub. (Multistreaming)
When you make a request to initiate streaming a team account will be created for you and the server(s) will be added to the team account http://www.pbbans.com/forums/index.php?s=&showforum=347
PBBans use the Hub as primary streaming method this free's up the old method of streaming and will allow any admin to stream to another reputable anti cheat site if they so desire.
The PBBans Hub has "live banning" enabled by default. this is best explained like so:-
1,000 ET servers stream to PBBans using the Hub, if a bannable violation is detected on 1 server, within 4 seconds a new entry will appear in the other 999 servers pbbans.dat. In most cases the lamer is banned off all streaming servers before the kick/ban is applied on the original server he was detected on.
What is the Hub?
http://www.pbbans.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=19661
The most simple way to set up streaming is via rcon
Hub streaming can be done via rcon (one line at a time) if no FTP access is available:
/rcon pb_sv_writecfg pbucon.use
/rcon pb_sv_restart
/rcon pb_sv_USessionLimit 2
/rcon pb_sv_uconadd 1 63.171.64.245 pbbans pbbans
/rcon pb_sv_task 0 3600 pb_sv_ver
/rcon pb_sv_AutoUpdBan 1
/rcon pb_sv_writecfg
NOTE 1: if you're using HLSW or rconUnlimited, omit /rcon
NOTE 2: if you wish to disable "live banning" and other planned enhanced Hub features /rcon pb_sv_uconadd 0 63.171.64.245 pbbans pbbans should be used.
NOTE 3: pb_sv_task 0 3600 pb_sv_ver will send regular heartbeats to the Hub and will ensure your server shows as streaming at all times.
To verify that all is working, type /rcon pb_sv_uconlist, the server should give the following response:
PunkBuster Client: [Slot] [Type] [Mask] [Name]
PunkBuster Client: 1 1 63.171.64.245 pbbans
PunkBuster Client: End of PB UCON Profile List (1 Entry)
If you dont get this response off the server something is amiss with your setup.
Use this Troubleshooting guide to find out what might be wrong
Hub Troubleshooting
If you have followed one of the above procedures and you failed to get the proper server response to the pb_sv_uconlist command, please use the following checks to verify all is correct:
Check the latest version of pb is running on the server by typing pb_sv_ver via rcon
Check that bans delivered via the Hub are never lost after a server restart by ensuring that the command line pb_sv_autoupdban 1 is present in your pbsv.cfg (this is part of the pbbans_hub.cfg by default)
Check that the file pbucon.use is in your pb folder
Check that the file pbbans_hub.cfg is in your pb folder
Check that the command pb_sv_load pbbans_hub.cfg is added to your pbsv.cfg
Check that your pbsv.cfg does not contain these (or similar) lines at the end of your pbsv.cfg:
PB UCON Settings / Lists
pb_sv_usessionlimit 0
pb_sv_ucontimeout 300
pb_sv_uconempty
pb_sv_uconignoreempty
please edit and delete if they exist.
execute a pb_sv_restart via rcon
If your happy all the above checks out type:
pb_sv_uconlist via rcon
The server response should be:
PunkBuster Client: [Slot] [Type] [Mask] [Name]
PunkBuster Client: 1 1 63.171.64.245 pbbans
PunkBuster Client: End of PB UCON Profile List (1 Entry)
PBBans Hub setup via FTP
If you dont want to set up streaming via rcon you can do initiate streaming via FTP, folow the link
Scroll down to where it says PBBans Hub setup via FTP
http://www.pbbans.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=19266
Peace wl|Reznap
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is there support from pbbans to do this on all et servers?
FUKZZ
But then again, whats to stop people streaming to both of them :) Dont need to swtich :P Stream to both for added protection.
I completly disagree. What about players who have simple cheat commandlines or just cheated once time in their life because they were naive idiots at this time (e.g. razz). I am not talking about customers, they should be banned for their whole life. But these guys can still play ET with their private hax (guidspoofers etc), but the simple players who did once a mistake in their ET life can't.
P.S.: Surely a nice move, but it won't take this big effect.
gaan we een keertje uit ofzo?
waar woon jij weer?
its the question if u can be sure that certainly will NOT kill again
a murderer has too prove to psychatrists that he wont kill again - how do u wanna check the same for cheaters?!?
Quite stupid, cos making mistakes is something humans tend to do alot.
So it is not stupid.
Never judge a whole group of people based on what you think or think to know.
generally every human beeing has its own feeling of right&law
in my eyes sexual crimes should be punished with death...
in ur eyes cheaters should be banned for life (which isnt possible with todays technology), for example the whole v&e team would say: after a long period banned players should get a second chance (u know who i mean)
my opinion of cheaters is: they r liers. and my mom told me: never trust a lier even if he speaks the truth.
In reallife i give second chances. in inet where people r hided behind an IP and a nickname i give a fuck bout busted cheaters even if they r worth to give ´em a second chance.
why? cause the inet is (nearly complete) free of humanity!
There is always a chance and yes maybe a bigger one if you have cheated in past. But to generalize it so hard as you do reminds me on very bad times on history. So people who abused the law should be punished their entire life?
P.S.: And you still want to see razz being banned?
I'm not saying that a guy who never cheated, wont cheat. No I do not think it is the same logic.
"So people who abused the law should be punished their entire life?"
Deffinately in online gaming, there are other options for people in the real life; in online gaming there is only one option: ban for life!
This is exactly what is the problem with the ET community, people saying.. "ohh well he cheated once... he probably wont cheat again, so I will just play with him anyway".
Cheaters should be banished from the community, even by friends; I seriously do not see why people are protecting cheaters, if a long time friend of mine was caught cheating, I would not speak with him anymore and ban him from all channels possible.
Why are you and Rhand so anxious about not being harsh towards cheaters? Did you try out hax or download an illigal pk3 in the past? I'm just trying to understand you.
P.S. Yes
2) You would judge innoncent people. I hate the excuse (someone sent me a config with a cheatercommand) but I really belive in that this happened to many people. They should never be avaible to play ET again?
3) Even it's an online community and also it's not even close as important as communities in rl. It's still a community. So why should we handle online communities in a different way than "rl communities". You have in both kinds of communities some "free rules", otherwise a community wouldn't work. And I don't see the point why I should handle people online on another way than in rl.
4) PLS, I protect cheater? I spend a lot of time to do the opposite. I want to bust them and I want to see them banned. But I still think that a player who didn't buy cheats and who didn't get busted twice, should get a 2nd chance if he doesn't act like a retard and if he accepted the ban and regrets what he did. I just stay on my example named
5) It won't solve this problem. A player realises: "Damn I did a mistake". But even he did this stupid mistake, he notices that the community give him another chance. He will be thanksfull and will give all for using his chance, because he doesn't want to give up his hobby for this mistake.
Otherwise if you would get lifebanned for every single cheat or shit. You would be so frustrated that you would just cheat and you would try to fuck up the community as much as possible.
6) Where do you want to draw the line? A player who has a "cheatercommand"-bust which you can get with just typing something in your console and a customizer of e.g. nC should get punished in the same way?
I cannot really see the point in you comparison between online and IRL communities. If the same rules apply as you say... then what is the difference? Is your point that people cheat in real life communities and not get kicked or banned from them? If I was in such I community I would rant like I am doing now.
The razz case, well helix was punished hard for it and CB didn't stay consistent with thier way of punishing clans with cheaters. With razz being able to see through trees and bushes it gave him and in some way the entire team an advantage that the other teams didn't have.
A command line cvar is just as bad as any other thing in my point of view.
We do not agree on people getting banned for life and we wont come to an agreement, so lets just stop trying to convince eachother right?
Finally I would like to say that I am looking forward to ET:QW and some proper CD-keys ;)
Yes. That's why they should get banned for 3 months in my opinion. Fooling should be never an excuse. But 3 months bans for simple commands should be enough as long it happens only once.
Of course they are getting "kicked or banned". But not their whole life and it's always related what they did.(check point 6 above :D) It's not about "ban them or not". We completly have teh same opinion in this point. But I would like to give them another chance under the told terms.
Indeed. It was a cheat which should be earn in a ban. But not in a lifetimeban. :D
I fully agree. I am tired of writing anyway. :P
That would make many things easier. :)
1) not true, sad if u got that impression
2) colleteral damage - no prob for politicians, so why for us?
3) if ur opinion is inet should be treated as reallife then u r rly sick. dont mix up both worlds m8 ;)
4) i would talk carefully bout people i dont know. i had "teammates" who talked 4 weeks to be trusted again...at the end xCess was busted the 2nd time.
6) exactly, thats why there r only two ways to treat that prob: forever or never (theres no space for sth between imo)
Just one point...I don't mix up both worlds. Then I would support imprisonments for cheaters. :D I just compared the way of handling it.
ban them all
@CB better focus on introducing new maps cause who cares bout hax...?!?
PBbans ''Always Quality over Quantity''
Lolled, PBBans servers suck look @ telenet. You get kicked for something stupid, you appeal the ban @ PBBans and tell them it wasn't hax that kicked you and without any _real_ evidence or an explanation they say:
No, you got kicked so that must mean you are a cheater. =/
i sense danonic ip's
Good idea atleast
Kill them all!!!
Ban them from the game=>give them a life ;)
look the features
-Clean pb_ss
-Aimhuman ONLY
-Full pb_proof
-Wallhack + ESP + champs
-Pointers
-Spawntimer
-No recoil
-No Damage on/off
-Speclist (see who spec u atm)
-Menu
-ETpro guidspoofer
-For Etpro 3.2.6 / ET 2.60B ONLY
-ALP (anty-leak-protection)
and
ingame screen & pb_screen..
Realy sad situation, pb has to do something or Wolf: ET will be the new cheat0r home.
On the Left hand column theres a Box you can type in Server Ips to check there streaming :)
first check guids then server on an other site.
they need to implement a command like /server or smth where you can see if it's a streaming server etc.
this ain't gonna stop no cheaters
But first, this has to work before we're celebrating or whatever we're doing.
Tell that to close on 10,000 cheaters on the PBBans banlist.
whats "advanced" about inputting 7 rcon commands
Every ban on the PBBans Master Ban Index (MBI) can be backed up by streamed log info and/or pbss or demo.
Can your claims of "it was not hax" be backed up by anything other than your word ?
Every ban on the MBI is backed up by solid evidence, there are a lot of cheats that are run outside of the game directory and the features toggled on and off via console command .. PBBans dissects these cheats for anything that is uniquely generated by this type of cheat.
i.e. log/txt/ini or pk3 files all accompanied by their md5 sum
Do I detect a hint of sarcasm there :)
The PBBans Hub has had great success in detecting private paid for cheats via generic cvar scans and the fight is, as always, ongoing.
http://www.pbbans.com/mbi.php?action=5&ban_id=21527
http://www.pbbans.com/mbi.php?action=5&ban_id=20981
http://www.pbbans.com/mbi.php?action=5&ban_id=20859
Every other anti cheat group uses the old pbsvlog.cfg method of streaming.
The PBBans Hub will run alongside any other streaming method quite happily, so there is no need to switch.
I could go on all night lol.
Bottom line - WL are to be applauded for at least giving this initiative a try and PBBans will do their utmost to give WL as much support as it can to make this a success.
I dont know what the WL policy is on players with a past cheat conviction, I can only speak from a PBBans perspective, it is PBBans policy to give convicted cheaters absolutely nothing, and that extends to a full forum account and all PBBans services including streaming.
At the very least WL deserve the support of every honest gamer in supporting this attempt to provide as clean a gaming environment as is possible.
At the end of the day its like giving a racing horse hurdles to jump over. It's not gonna stop them.
^^^^^
Wasnt me that said that Fozzer hehe :P
Nice replys to the critics tbh :P
clanbase configs actually disable cvar and md5 checks before a match, WL configs will not.
Not a hard choice to make is it :)