Clanbase Global Rule Changes
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14 Jul 2008, 21:07
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News
I am not going to duplicate what clanbase have said you can read it here what i am going to say is what it means to you the clans.
The top and bottom of it is CB are moving away form using PBBans streaming servers and the Master Ban List to start a fresh with a new Company/Website called game-violations.org offering the same services. PBbans have served us well with 30k+ bans and as yet GV has none to its name. They will however come in time.
I have my own personal opinions concerning this move and i understand CB needing to standardise but they must realise they are not alone in running leagues for ET. If Warleagues, ESL and Crossfire do not follow suit where does it leave their leagues. A server can only stream to one repository by the HUB streaming method. Is this the end of CB and ET as we know it or the start of a new era? I will let time tell on this one. You have 4 weeks to change streaming method for CB leagues or games will be cancelled.
decem's EDIT: "A server can stream to pbbans and GV at the same time, but to do this you would need to drop out psb if you were streaming for them before. This means that the change of CB going for GV isnt as radical as bulldog was implying in this post."
Bulld0gs EDIT: "There are plans to use the Hub streaming method soon they just dont have the staff yet, so my post is correct 'ish
Good Job CB and Good Luck
/edit
Streaming Script for ET here
The top and bottom of it is CB are moving away form using PBBans streaming servers and the Master Ban List to start a fresh with a new Company/Website called game-violations.org offering the same services. PBbans have served us well with 30k+ bans and as yet GV has none to its name. They will however come in time.
I have my own personal opinions concerning this move and i understand CB needing to standardise but they must realise they are not alone in running leagues for ET. If Warleagues, ESL and Crossfire do not follow suit where does it leave their leagues. A server can only stream to one repository by the HUB streaming method. Is this the end of CB and ET as we know it or the start of a new era? I will let time tell on this one. You have 4 weeks to change streaming method for CB leagues or games will be cancelled.
decem's EDIT: "A server can stream to pbbans and GV at the same time, but to do this you would need to drop out psb if you were streaming for them before. This means that the change of CB going for GV isnt as radical as bulldog was implying in this post."
Bulld0gs EDIT: "There are plans to use the Hub streaming method soon they just dont have the staff yet, so my post is correct 'ish
Good Job CB and Good Luck
/edit
Streaming Script for ET here
and thanks to some "admin strict rules lol" i won't risk getting another 30 points, if you want to know why, pm me and ill send you the logs.
I think it's not new to you, so stop flaming us for getting an improvement in the anticheat world.
I hope you will talk with them one day and compare the behavior of their admins with the pbbans gods.
Omg Ive heard it all now!
they dont make any sense..
probably should add that to the newspost
"offering the same services", and configs ofcourse ....
http://www.game-violations.org/thread.php?threadid=19927
edit: after reading this topic @ GV, i dont like it at all, when i joined pbbans fozzer told me about something being 'stolen', so this is what he meant, well.. pbbans > GV :x
You're going to get 10 points for languageviolation!
I dont know about ESL and Crossfire but it is a rule and always has been for all official matches @ Warleagues to be played on servers that stream to pbbans.
What ?
http://www.warleagues.com/
funny how the next day they new how we got them + accounts got banned, and you know only 4 ppl knew this, + one was on holiday, the other was an xfire admin, so it was me or you... or pansemuckl grew some brains, which i doubt.
very logical answer i guess. "unlucky charm" XD
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"It has been impossible to talk with them. Maybe they had some problems with some CB admins in the past, I don't know, but talking with a guy and getting answers like you owe them something is not the way to get any kind of agreement."
that is what they are saying obviously they won't tell their stupid decisions either.
And yes, I think it's CBs fault too, but as what I saw from some logs, I feel that the problem might lay on both sides :)
GL killerboy.
We are not one of random AC organisation. Imo i would reather check the bans that we already made by those scripts.
I hope you will all download our scripts and join our chanell for support if you will need it.
www.game-violations.org
#game-violations @ qnet
I'm a GameAdmin for ET and ET:QW so any infos about scripts please contact me .
Greetingz [GV]team
PsB and gv use the same legacy rep method of streaming.
PBBans uses the PBBans Hub/PBUCON
The log info from legacy rep streaming, dependent on server traffic can take anything from 24hrs to several days to parse.
Log parsing by the PBBans Hub is instant
Additions to the banlist for both PsB and gv are dependent on how quickly the server logs are parsed.
PBBans additions are added to the banlist within 1 second of detection.
Psb and gv both have their own methods of updating their banlists.
PBBans have a team account flag called "enforce bans" this means that anyone on the PBBans banlist will be stopped from joining your server by the PBBans Hub.
This saves vital server resources and also means that you do not need to d/l or update a banlist from PBBans.com .. ever.
The streaming choices now open to server admins are;
PBBans+PsB
or
PBBans+gv
It is not possible to have;
PBBans+gv+PsB because PsB and gv use the same legacy rep.streaming initiative
Admins should be aware that gv streaming is only mandatory for matchplay and once the match is over they can revert to what they had before.
The problem for PsB streamers is that streaming can take up to 24hrs afaik.
I have no idea how long it takes to get a server fully operational in the gv system.
The partnership between clanbase and gv has no effect what so ever on PBBans streaming, its the same as it ever was.
The reason PBBans does not support clanbase is quite simple.
Twice we have been approached to set things up for streaming.
We even set up a special forum section for clanbase admins.
Twice CB pulled out at the last second with no explanation given .. it just happened and that was that :/
We found out via a third party what actually happened but no use whining here eh, whats done is done :)
No way will that happen a third time
As an interested observer it sure will be interesting to see were the gv checks come from for every pb enabled game, and it will be equally interesting to see how long it takes to collect / dissect / issue md5 scans for every pb enabled game too.
As we are all aware, the actual cheat is needed for comparison purposes for when catches are appealed. :P
For the gvb peeps that read this (I'm sure 1 or 2 will)
It might be worth reviewing this;
Crysis for LINUX server
Heres a link to help you out;
http://news.filefront.com/crysis-monthly-no-13-patch-linux-server/
[20:12:09] kick, [KiL|3rBoY] was kicked from [#pbbans] by
or is it
"once upon a time, there was a cb admin who joined pbbans, acted retarded and we decided to ban the whole cb members"
ROTFL, really do you even have the guts to say that is the most retarded thing ever?
at least we have a system,and you do act retarded with your motto "oh no let's make something that busts cheaters but refuse to work with leagues so that even if we bust them they won't ever get banned"
and btw
Quality > Quantity (biggest joke)
not letting CB have access to the MPI while pbbans job is to offer this stuff (even a normal pb streaming admin can access this) -- priceless.
if someone really acted retarded 'x' years ago ...... was he part of the ET section anyway? who was he? and wtf do me and the new admins have to do with your decision
are you a pbbans admin? don't act like a hero here, you know how much you flamed me on irc and in the private pbbans forums just because nobody could see it + you deleted the topic later on...
We are not interested in cooperation with CB in any way.
As fozzer stated, we tried it twice. CB wasn't interested.
can't believe you keep on denying it
this is what i am after
-Q- Done. Flags for KiL|3rBoY on #pbbans are now: +b.
<-- Q has kicked KiL|3rBoY from #pbbans (Banned.)
--- Q sets ban on *!*@progkillerboy.users.quakenet.org
lol, you are from CB, CB are all banned from pbbans. i've seen a kid being more mature than you, just because you have the power, you can abuse it
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http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/1404/foxdieconv2zs1.png
I remember the first time (?) when there were some negotiations and there was a ClanBase forum at pbbans. I was following some discussions there... and, suddenly, my access to the forum was just removed.
Maybe you had some problems with CoD guys but nobody from pbbans wanted to explain me why, even when we were ready to announce the agreement and we had all the news items + configs ready.
After this time all my tries to get a reasonable chat with any of the ppbbans admins were like talking to wall (hello foxdie).
Maybe you had some problems with CoD guys but nobody from pbbans wanted to explain me why, even when we were ready to announce the agreement and we had all the news items + configs ready.
Hmm. I've never noticed any discussion in staff forums about cooperation with cb.
Btw why don't you ask your cb mates?
I want to add I had never a single personal problem with any pbbans admin other than what I have explained at fozzer answer.
Well, that's enough for me, you guys came here and are trying to justify your "Godish" behaviour, now our decision is done as well as yours since 2 years ago.
Nothing more to add.
and i want to keep all that "search for ip/guid" shizzle.
and no, it's not my server, so it's not up to me to change or whatsoever.
Above quote from GV.
http://game-violations.ggl.com/gv_streambans.php
don't care if it works together with PBBans, why do we need smth new? we have the same thing for ages allready it's only called different.
For some poeple it's allreayd hard to get the server streaming with PBBans and now this new shit needs to be added to be able to play games on CB? why isn't CB setting up servers themselves for every match? then all probs should be over.
If they want to be better then the rest they need to offer more then the rest. Not offer the same things with another name.
For em this move just looks like plain fatuity.
"we (CB-ET) have never back-stabbed anyone"
So other CB-Admins did, why should they still be nice to the ET admins if they are from the same organisation?
And why can't u use PBBans? cuz you don't have acces to everything? why should you need it, it's about the players getting banned on every server inmidiatly. Not about having acces to the whole system.
I don't care that doneX or you can't add new servers to the PBBans streaming list, enough others can.
Maybe try to talk to the PBBans admins again and forget the shit that happened years ago, but it seems both CB and PBBans can't do that so both are shitty little kids who needs to grow some brains.
"hello can we talk pls"
Q bans <nick>
/q admin
" hi can we talk "
*******ignored******
as i already said, they act like 6 year olds, just because
which happened 3 years ago...... big deal rofl, but if pbbans stated it 10 times that they don't want to have an agreement with us, why bother? this shoudn't effect you cos A server can stream to pbbans and GV at the same time, but to do this you would need to drop out psb if you were streaming for them before.
And yes it's inmature to just ban somebody everywhere when u can't go over the same line together. But that was 3 years ago!
And besides that most people don't even care about streaming server for matches and don't even read clanbase rules.
This new (copyed) system is only going to work if CB set streaming using their config and lua so server admins only have to upload new configs and the new lua. Dunno if it's possible with lua to change streaming but it would be an idea to help server admins and to make sure the rules are followed.
For me this whole change looks like "he we are CB, we are mighty, we can do what we want"
going to take a shower now :D
is it because hes semi-active?
Being simple streaming game admin is another.
Quoted from above. Weird logic.
This feeling is mutual.