ET Masters: Rule reminder
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7 Mar 2009, 22:09
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Unfortunately it seems that Week 2 of ET Masters has not been a successful one, 3 teams have now had wins overturned after being issued yellow cards due to breaking the rules of the tourney.
Tag 4 - 0 Masculine Mans
Masculine Mans win by default.
Reason: Tag player Euruz caught using 180 degree script
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Punishment: Yellow card and forfeit match loss.
MouK 0 - 4 GzCon
MouK win by default.
Reason: GzCon player rizzle caught using 180 degree script
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Punishment: Yellow card and forfeit match loss.
Pidars 4 - 2 8Bits
8Bits win by default.
Reason: Playing with a player (olbaa) who was not on their allowed player list and who was associated with another clan (sublime in the group stages).
Punishment: yellow card and forfeit match loss.
Now i can say from my perspective that i dont like having to issue forfeit match losses to teams for breaking the rules but the blame has to lie with the teams and players, lets be honest, we were very clear about the 180 script, its stupid to be getting caught using it after we announced what the punishment would be and in the case of pidars all they had to do was speak to an admin and get olbaa added to their APL, since he had not played since the qualifiers this would have been allowed but you cant expect to just turn up to a game with a player without getting him on your APL, its lazy and stupid. Bottom line all these forfeit losses could have been avoided, however the rules are set and we will enforce them. Again it is the responsibility of all clans and players to read the rules, if you haven't then please do so now:
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giving wins to ppl who don't deserve it and forfeiting every 2nd match doesn't really cast a positive light on etmasters either tbh, just give them a yellow card / warning and let it be. just watch the other matches more closely and i'm sure you find another match to forfeit.
edit: what hayaa said.
+forfeiting is kinda lame, should be just warning/yellow card, or at worst case replay of game...
H2K win by default.
Reason: BBASHERS player lettu caught using 180 degree script
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Punishment: Yellow card and forfeit match loss.
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Server negotiations
Server testing begins as soon as an admin proposes a server. You will have the google sheet to reply to this as soon as possible but at least 1 hour before the official match starts.
Admins will propose a server up to 72 hours before match time, so make sure every player in your team is able to test it before. We will always try to pick a server fair for both teams, but sometimes this will not be possible due to issues with a player's internet provider or location.
The server proposed at match time is forced and can not be changed for the good of the coverage.
Matches are played 6 on 6. Showing up with less than 6 players is equivalent to a no show and therefore a forfeit loss; games cannot be played with 5 players even if both teams agree.
mm didnt have 6 players on the server at the time we should have started. They said they cant get 6th to connect to the right one. That was already after they could have changed it so there should be 1:0 for TAG and a noshow lose for MM. What comes next is just a random practice game played on ettv.
Waiting for some admins reply.
Masculine Mans already lost one match by forfeit because the opponent (Team
Also. 1. Squall won in the qualis -> hopped -> could play?
olbaa lost in qualis -> hopped -> could not play
e: lettu played and won quali and could hop for BB???????
shouldnt it be other way around? (i hope i explained it like i wanted roflolz)
e: pointless points aboveeeeee
And 180 script.. yea its not allowed but still kinda harsh, id more interested to know if bug planting is allowed or not
+ "in the case of pidars all they had to do was speak to an admin and get olbaa added to their APL, since he had not played since the playoffs this would have been allowed but you cant expect to just turn up to a game with a player without getting him on your APL, its lazy and stupid."
playoffs = qualifiers
Yea i know rules aint denying it i guess and it must feel great to plant the dyna in a place so partly i understand all the joy u get from there
because bug plant for me has always meant something that is impossible to defuse/or to reach that u mean a eg 3 man tower.
also the rule that says 180 degree script isn't allowed, should be then discribed as tuning scripts using +turnleft/+turnright command.
In general atm what MM vs TAG game showed was only one thing: sportsmanship never pays off. It will only create more default wins from every match that has the possibilty to screw ppl, not by me only. since u never know what someone made there on purpose or not but there might be a possibilty of loosing a match.
You're stepping on another gray area here... You have to ask the mapper what is by design and what's not, and then you could apply the same abuse rule to trick jumping.
(I don't even know which particular map/objective you're talking about here though.)
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I asked about it: 1st matches didn't start yet, i played qualy match for gZcon, and asked if i was able to join another clan( who was @ invite 1st league) there was NO rule about it it being allowed nor disallowed, yet chosen decided I had to wait till 2nd match finished:D:D the pidar case shows that each admin has their own rules hasnt it?!:D:D:D:D good cup!
In case of pidar, the forfeit is justified tbh, but as chmpp said, mamut should get a forfeit for it aswell (if they didn't pm the admins about it, for the meantioned APL)
Anyway, we know the rules now so that's positive :D
Matches are played 6 on 6. Showing up with less than 6 players is equivalent to a no show and therefore a forfeit loss; games cannot be played with 5 players even if both teams agree.
Server negotiations
Server testing begins as soon as an admin proposes a server. You will have the google sheet to reply to this as soon as possible but at least 1 hour before the official match starts.
Admins will propose a server up to 72 hours before match time, so make sure every player in your team is able to test it before. We will always try to pick a server fair for both teams, but sometimes this will not be possible due to issues with a player's internet provider or location.
The server proposed at match time is forced and can not be changed for the good of the coverage.
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dc55357k_0v795r3fw
This only makes me ask if players start joining server after the match time and then after 15 minutes they say that they want to change server which by rules isn't allowed neither is 5 vs 6 playing and the players are supposed to check if they can connect and what pings are before the match start. why do we get def loss when they weren't on server in time? In my eyes we should get def win coz they were not on server in time and the match that was on ettv was actually a ettv supported prac not an official and imo the rules only affect official matches?
@ hayaa - you cant put in the rules, 180 turn script is allowed if its not in a key part of the game, the rules are simple they aint allowed.
To others whining, i am just dumbfounded, everyone wants to see bug abuse out of the game yet the minute we enforce that you whine that its too harsh, seriously wtf -,-
the rule:
"Following tactics are to be considered illegal and will result in a yellow card:"
"- 180 scripts or any others giving you an unfair advantage will not be tolerated "
and it can include forfeit loss, ye np @ reading.
but rules like: any others giving you an unfair( not your team?D:D:D) an unfair advantage.... well that isn't even a CLEAR rule. this also includes spawnscripts/classscripts? i always click limbo menu:XD
another case like i wrote somewhere before, the groupmatches didn't start yet, i asked chosen can i join/switch other clan? since i played for an other team qualy already?
he said: No you have to wait till 2nd match finished.
rules: "Each team will have the opportunity to add/transfer players during 3 transfer windows.
Period 1 – Between 2nd and 3rd Group games
Period 2 – Between 5th and 6th Group games
Period 3 – Following completion of group games and start of playoffs.
no rule about it....
aswell i played a match under one of my random names: C.C. yet chosen/other admin forced me to put my xfire nick, while playing vs Mamut they can have a name as "merc" :D:D admin no word about it, even after saying it;O
can't think atm about anything more
I gave an ip for you (over an hour before starting time), Light wanted to change it at first but eventually said its ok, we had tested the server (pinging) and it was okey, (passwords changes an hour before a game so there was no possibilty to test it earlier than that and after it wasnt possible cuz our player wasnt available) So how the hell should we expect the server what usually works well now didnt let one of our member in? After we noticed it and did all necessary pc and modem reboots I told Light about our need and gave him 6 different ips for a new server.
i think it was just a bad luck and sometimes it happens, if it wudve been totally our fault (ie. pinging badly like mud we cudve played with it but instead it didnt let him connect, not much u can do there and especially u cant blame us about that situation)
what do u think if there will ever be a situation like this, will i ever allow to this kind of thing again? i guess sportsmanship fo in the future.
and that 180 script wasnt actually spotted by any of us (just meaning that we didnt hunt for u if u used any stuff, though I personally rate 180 scripts for the same level as aimbots and wallhacks) and I personally wouldnt have wanted to get a forfeit for it.. but rules are rules i cant make it any better for u
only thing what annoyed me was the plant tbh, otherwise you won good and fair
c) seem to know more about our "hackers" than me
explains
are you beeing funny on em because you aint yet been busted?
this kind of punishment is like beating up a babie for eating other babies candy
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to hayaa, euruz and other lowbrains, i propose to go and take some 'introduction to law' course on the nearest university - perhaps then they would find out that its not admin who punished them, but they did it themselves :)
why isnt it allowed? because its a second faster? in that case you should ban killrevives because it gives people more adrenaline.
it has turn spread bugs in it
now do you understand?
Let's ban everyone for strafing ingame since it's a bug of the quake engine.
Yeah, we totally deserve to lose that match because of RizZle using a 180 script and afterwards raging the whole enemy team!! seriously what the hell? Yellow card ok I can understand, but why the hell forfeit loss? It's not like it mattered anything to the match?
gtfo!
good job admins!
what about this pretty insane idea: follow the fukin rules
And btw, TAG vs MM was 4-0, not 4-2. Nice knowing the right score.
but you're right rules are rules and rules are clearly.
what's next? everyone has to play with ETconfig in a while?? :(
However i do think that the 180 rule is still stupid. I cant imagen that the amount of spread reduction is so immensely unfair that you have a great advantage over you opponent...
imo like all the other so called recoil/spread reduction tweaks or whatever, they only decrease them by slight fractions its just bs....
besides the 180script are tools like DInput or RInput allowed actually ?? couse they to give you a so called unfair advantage with the increase of accuracy now don't they?