Should p5 have all their EC matches forfeited? | Polls

I accidently voted no, I meant yes. ;_;

Wakker worden :(

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fuck, I did that too... -2 for no :(

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tundere :P

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well why not? same procedure for everyone, or am i wrong?

nope, you are right. CB Admins dont follow their own rules.

QuoteIf a Clan uses a banned player (also applies to ClanBase Hosted Cups):
Match the offence occured in will be forfeited.
All the players who played with him/her in a match will be banned for 3 months.

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he wasnt banned yet :x

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he was banned about 15 mins before the end of their match with dignitas

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THATS FAIR FO SHO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes for the main part.

"But all the results involving them for p5 this season stand. Is this the right decision?"

No for that?

Confusing poll!

oO

A better question would have been. Should p5's games be forfeited?

(23:20:30) (@nellie`) The more contentious poll would be should p5 have their matches forfeited :p

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Great minds think alike!

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fools never differ either.

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:(

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Couldn't agree more

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If a Clan uses a banned player (also applies to ClanBase Hosted Cups):
Match the offence occured in will be forfeited.
All the players who played with him/her in a match will be banned for 3 months.

Clanbase rules own.

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they weren't banned when the matches were played

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FAIR because of banned.
UNFAIR because of rAzZ & the forfeit wins.

i dont understand why people are voting no lo0ol lo0ol

Who cares!

no1 does!

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Like I care!

there is no question about it... helix got forfeited because of a damn rivatuner which is shit compared to what these 2 guys did... this shouldnt even be asked

Completely agree.

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i cant agree more.. and rulles are rulles

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Yep

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this man speaks sense

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agree

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Yes.

2bad4cb they dont care about 1 cf vote ^_^

DEFINATELY YES

LOOK AT SHEEPS COMMENT, HE IS JUST SO FUCKING RIGHT

Quote by shizoIf a Clan uses a banned player (also applies to ClanBase Hosted Cups):
Match the offence occured in will be forfeited.
All the players who played with him/her in a match will be banned for 3 months.

A banned player is a player who has been banned by clanbase. Problem here is that keran and shy only got banned a couple of hours ago +/- after the match vs dignitas.
I'd love to see the matches forfeited though, refering to the razz case and because pro5 decided to continue with 2 players who were on the verge of getting banned, which even cost them their sponsor.

in razz' case it was also clear that he didn't use the riva tweakings at the offis that were forfeited.. so yes pro5's matches also HAVE to be forfeited (imo).

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this vote is just ridiculous.

not exception of a rule

"Should p5 have all their EC matches forfeited?"

"But all the results involving them for p5 this season stand. Is this the right decision?"

Great work using two opposite questions in a yes/no poll. ;)

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Just want to mention that when Krp was playing OC at mud divisions semifinals, and then CB came up banning enSam and doNka, Krp couldn't play the final. So CB just can't be hard for highskills :<

Agree, if I am correct all other clans got their results changed or something?

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Well, as far as I know yes.

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who said that?

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What, I didn't get your point

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who told you, you cant play finals?

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Some admin can't remember the name. We won the semifinal against some guys and they had whined a whole week before match about ensam's and donka's warnings, and then when we had beaten them, the admin gave the bans and got us out from the OC.

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you deserved that fucking cheating gay kids rly

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Hi enSam how is your CB-ban going on

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deine mutter is blowing

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Ban this moron, he talks mixed languages !

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I'll mix your head with my blood nP

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the vote won't change anything anyways but i supose CB didn't forfait the games due to the current ec being in the playof stage(and they are allong quite a bit) instead of the groupsphase in which the razz situation occured.

What I'm wondering about atm is should the pro5 and dignitas result still stand though? Seeing as they took the risk playing with keran and he did infact get banned around the last match stage.

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that's the decision that has already been made obviously since the result was not overturned.

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A slice of carepie anyone?

O.o?

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No need to replay the whole EC - just removing pro5 from playoffs now would be enough

Or probably the most fair way would be to let winner of cadre vs impact play vs dignitas and winner takes pro5 playoff place

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Nice thinking.

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lol

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I doubt keran or shy ever used hax in EC games, but there are precedents of such cases..

Admins don't base their thought on our doubts, but on facts.

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such as?

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The evidence that those players cheated on a public server maybe? :o

They have no proof of the guys cheating in an official so there is no point in banning the entire clan, if you keep the current rules in mind.

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so if I rename a file to ss.log then I am a cheater right?

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I never said that, but if you have such a file in your etfiles, admins are allowed to ban you, so why put such a file in your etfiles? conclusion; then you aren't a cheater, but a moron.

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direction to first part of #75

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zero tolerance, i'd rather see some non-cheating (but rather suspicious) getting banned to instead of leaving some cheaters unbanned because of the lack of proofs.

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yep

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yes

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helix also got banned even though razz only used -> rivatuner<- in -> random scrims <-
all other pbss from all offis that were later forfeited were clean

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The rules were different then, no point in arguing with people who don't know the rules.

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thx Cash

Haha, when cb forfeits all zP/pro5 matches, another team would have gone through the groupstage which means every single playoff match has to be re-played. I can't stand another sNoOp flame marathon. THIS IS MADNESS!

voted for: "Like I care" ofc.

meinste den als razz gebannt wurde oder den '05er von p!mp-snoop

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waren beide nicht zu verachten!

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It's so funny see this poll after dignitas match .. : )

At least dignitas hasn't lost their... well, dignity!

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Like I care!

this decision is simply retarded in my opinion, wtf is the difference between this case and the razz shit?

razz used a external program in countless clanmatches, keran (maybe) and _shy used a cheat once on a public server.

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Wow that was an extremely biased statement... "Countless" clan matches? Haha, how do you possibly know that? PB screenshots for his officials were clean, and there was only proof of him using it in one practice. On the other hand, how can you be so sure that keran and _shy only used the multihack once on a pub?

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I dont know, I just try to defend my hero :<

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Ok, but do so based on facts not assumptions...

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i do the same as the guys who accuse keran of using or have used a cheat

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No, you see, you are guessing, those people actually have some evidence to base their accusations on. The fact is, there is absolutely no reason to have a file called ss.log in your ET directory, other than the fact that it was created by the bot and forgotten to be deleted.

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Or was in a package of cfg files which he extracted all on once, and accidentaly it came in there. Or he used the cheat on his localhost (which is not forbidden). So many possibilities.

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All cases of severe carelessness, which IMO should be punished when working with cheats... In any case, you can always make an exception, but there's a huge likelyhood that the ss.log was created because of the hack...

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carelessness

I CANT STOP FUCKING LAUGHING Xdddddddddddd

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You can't be absolutely sure he "only" used it once.

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I can, because nexus was detected long time before pbbans registered the ban of _shy, it would have not been possible for him to play a whole clanmatch with nexus at that time.

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So his oponents can't been disconnected as soon as they knew/thought he was cheating?

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I dont understand the logic of that sentence, sorry

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i'm afraid you've got no evidence in what you just said... so i simply ignore your comment

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ITS ALMOST THE SAME WHAT THOSE 2 DID COMPARED TO RAZZ

its not equal because razz took advantage by extreme tweaking and those two by actually CHEATING

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no, because there is no proof he ever cheated, everyone can call a file ss.log and even if he did, it was on a fucking public server, this guy is in a pro player about 3 years now and he always showed that he got skill. Not fair to ban him from the whole community just because PB are retarded idiots.

And all who voted yes too.

The whole pro5 team is clean, and its funny to see all the whine starting after dignitas got owned by a new team. If you guys cant handle a defeat then dont play ET in leagues.

Fucking jealous niggers

Why are you so mad?

Everyone can call a file ss.log indeed, but not everyone is so stupid to do it.

My second point: you have absolutely no right to talk about playing on a public as it would be less worthy then playing in a scrim/official!

last point, The whole pro5 team is clean <-- I Think we all know this is incorrect. You are acting like a unhappy fanboi who can't accept his hero is a cheater.

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PB is still a cheatbuster tool and not a tool to sort intelligent from stupid people (even if its sometimes the same), they got no right to ban cause of a suspicion.

Normally I wouldnt care about random busted guys, but this time IT IS WRONG, yes maybe they did cheat on a public server, and yes in my opinion cheating on a public server is less worth than if you do it in leagues, and I can assure you that Im not the only one who thinks like that.

Oh and btw Im an admin of netcoders, trust me I couldnt care less about cheaters ;)

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please don't try to save yourself with such a sentence: "trust me I couldnt care less about cheaters ;)"

You do care, considdering all those comments you've written.

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WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU

didnt you read the first part of that statement? I am a cheater, I do support cheats, and I do distribute them, so no I do NOT care about cheaters at all. I just dont want the wrong guys banned if they dont deserve a ban!

oh and by the way Its 6 o'clock in the morning and Im bored, thats why I take the effort of writing all these comments :)

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so you do care, because you have nothing else to care about :<

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so basically to summarise you're an idiot?

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not more than you

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great comeback, what next gonna fake my guid+nick on a public and use cheats? pathetic.

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nah making CB ban you because of a valid screenshot is more fun

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be my guest =)

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100% agree

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its not just the filename, it got the same md5 value, meaning its actually the cheat file for sure. besides, they admitted it.

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ofc, matches should be forfeited.

Same rules for everybody, all helix matches involving Razz were forfeited so same should be done here.

yes
but noone cares about CB EC anymore since there are tournaments with more prizes.

who cares about prizes when they are relatively minimal anyway :D ?

but I agree CB is losing their status as number one league/cup hoster

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yes, no doubt

playing with known cheaters, everyone knew ban was coming. clans should be punished extra for playing with busted cheaters when they know they are busted.

SOMEONE PLZ LISTEN TO THIS GUY AND DO WHAT HE SAID

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At least the matches played after they were busted should be forfeited.

sounds fair

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No , nobody cared when they were playing vs him and won , you only care when you lose

ban the cheaters for LIFE.

no

yes...

Forfeit the team that played with known cheaters and had the nerve to keep on playing.

Fucking tards.

No.

yes, pro5 = nazis :(

the same happened with razz in helix, so imo all their matches should be a forfeit loss now.

was für ein behinderter vote OMFG

no

CB is bunch of people who can't stick to their game, and bow before bignames - as if that would give them more fame.

4 all dignitas fanbois who voted yes i have one thing to say - fu!

p5 is great team, and after they were forced to do many lineup changes they are still able to win matches on highest level... so hell NO ... p5 for EC winners!!!

im not funboy, and i voted for yes, ur attitude is like 2 years old babybaba :<

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no...

p5 was forced to change lineup 3 times in this EC[if im right], and still they have chances to win! give them chance i think p5 deserve it...

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SO BECAUSE THEY HAVE CHANCE TO WIN THEY DONT NEED TO FOLLOW THE RULES? you are one retarded twat.

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Quotep5 was forced to change lineup 3 times in this EC[if im right]

its true but the question is :

Should p5 have all their EC matches forfeited?

little babybaba :<

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and thats why the anwser is no...

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pffff

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so, u think it's ok to play with "known" cheaters?

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they were 'forced' to change lineup after 2 busted cheaters?
FORCED U SAY??!

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Everyone just talking about forfeits etc. Just let the last map, or even the whole match of d. vs pro5 be replayed without keran and shy_ imo. That way both teams can show wether they deserved to win/lose.

I voted. *Like I Care!!!!!!! *

yes!

They should've suspended Keran and Shy for the timebeing, proof was pretty obvious. Ban should be 1 year tbh.

6 months? Looks like clanbase obviously doesnt have a zero tolerance policy... its like saying "hey guys just get a guid spoofer for the time being, play under a different nick then comeback as some amazing player in 6 months :o

n1 clanbase... but to be quite honest it's nobody's fault other than PB, being outsmarted by a bunch of kiddies @ netcoders

Like I care!

NO!

BAN! 1337 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

et is dead, so i "care"

ofc not :))

Idd. But if this pool goes to "Yes", what is gonna happen?
Nothing. It's gonna be still same. ^^

Clanbase will fap over how unhappy they can make people will their retarded decisions, that's what will happen.

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h4x

yes ofc

Its just shit to make poll if they dont do something about it..

Clanbase wont do something so care.

need new poll with perfo :)

who cares

OOO JAAA TALK DIRTY ZU MI JA JA

Fucking jealous niggers

No proof of them cheating in a clan war.
I mean it's ridiculous, I have friends who get bored of ET and go on a pub to cheat.
This is just the next level.
Go out and have sex with a friend,
instead of crying us a river in here.

imo non-cheaters shouldnt be banned at all, but meh
if youre going to prevent the whole clan from playing then just ask another clan to play instead of them.

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