Do you believe in God? | Polls | Crossfire

im not convinced yet.

you sir, is a proof that god exist ^_^

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XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

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if god wasnt here, then i could not met you ='(

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so were happy with god! :<

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hug me !

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*hug* o:

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touch my anus :P

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to much! XD

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thought the same xD

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You can say that, but I came from my mother, not from someone called god. God is just a fantasy.

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now i will have to ask you, from where your mother came?
this will go till billions of years before us but in the end from where we all came from?
and the thing that create the thing that create us from where he came from?
i hate to conflict about god :<

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She came from her mother tho. And her mother from her mother, etc. Like years ago we evoluated from the monkeys.

Nah, god doesn't exist. There is no proof at all.

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try to follow me here, in the end there must be something that cannot be created in order to create all of us, that thing is god :)

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No, god is impossible. There is no-one in the black world who created us. It's just impossible. However, there is more, but no god, no jesus, no allah. Only Satan is there.

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as i said before, every man should live by his beliefs
i belive you dont
have fun :)

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And who created god? Or was he just there?
Due to your argument, there obviously must've been another god that created your god. So why don't you worship that other god? Or all the other gods for that matter?

And to end this with a quote: "When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

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but if that "god" is created by other god then its not a god lolz xD

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every man should live by his beliefs...
you cant rly expect to make a point? :<

cuz i can see how pp willl try to convince other this and that :>

old poll!
ps. hentai rename to spree2

:))))))))

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Atheist here

xfire is not a good place for bringing such topics up

Why? Not all of the community is retarded.

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LoL

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thats your opinion :p!

look at current commentaries :D

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Your point?

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nothing just saw it when i clicked your profile :|

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Yes , I Believe in Myself

I'm a multi-cultist

I believe in Kazuu , mAus , Winghaven , Statti and Shoes.

They did when i was younger, they themselves don't attend the equivalent of church (mandir) often anymore either though.

I dont believe in God.

Believing in God gives us spiritualism (spirit thus), denying God is like favouring the application of the theory of Newton, relating and seeing everything as mathematical equations, which is so wrong. People should learn to embrace body mind and spirit as something unified and whole, and not see spirit as in terms of something divine and higher than us.

And yes, God is just a creation of the Church to make profit and keep societies under a leash. Other belief systems copy things from the Christian belief (both gnostic and catholic/orthodox), and every belief in general sees God as a connection to our spiritual self

Also, the worlds creation with the Big Bang (how big?, how do we know that we are not an ant society in relation to higher beings?, that those higher beings are not an ant-society to other, more higher beings et cetera) is just something noone can give a reason for it to have happened, not God nor science. Its just a question we just dont need to answer

It's all a conspiracy!!!1111!!111

Why can't believing in God be possible amongst the beliefs of science? I personally believe that science is proof of the design of a higher power. I simply refuse to accept that random quantum fluctuations and the spontaneous creation of the singularity are responsible for creating a universe that suits mankind. Sure, it's possible that the universe isn't designed for mankind, and that we are indeed living in a chaos formed from the singularity, and that our minds impose design upon it to create what we see as order, but the ability for our minds to impose order is what gives the world beauty. It's possible that one could also argue that God is in our mind, and that our ability to impose order on the universe is what makes it special, and thus our mind acts as what some consider God to, but i really don't think my mind is that cool. Would be funny if it was though.

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It doesnt matter if our creation and our universe's creation was random or not, just think of this: even if something more divine than us created us , shouldnt we be Gods for AI then (in relation to the ant-society theory i mentioned)? My personal belief is that looking for God is looking for ourselves, our spirit, what we can and cannot do. It doesnt matter if God is an old grandpa with a stick, it is whatever we want to, whatever makes us whole and complete.

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God as a concept is an omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent being. We would be none of those (or omnipresent, though you could argue otherwise if belief remains in a transcendent God) to AI.

In the sense of a higher power though, yes, we clearly would be the God relevant to AI (or the equivalent 'ant society'), because we'd consistently have power over them. The 'I Robot' idea for example is ridiculous, because man would never create something smarter than itself, and if it did, man would always have the off switch, thus we would always remain the greater force. Furthermore, we'd be living amongst AI in a very different way to how people consider God now. We don't see God on an every day basis, but AI would and most probably will soon enough.

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Maybe the AI has different concepts on how it views its God(s), which concepts are created just as you said by their experience and living together with human beings, their creators. But just like the machines, who can say that someone cant pull the plug and let us all die in an instant? And yes, the concept of God is similar to the concept of control, whoever has control over someone else (like in killing him), is a God to the latter. But this is very subjective, control may vary ofcourse in relation to the God's ethics, value of his creation's life etc.

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It's definitely an interesting point, i mean, for us to imagine God would be us applying our own limited knowledge to a greater being. If we haven't seen a universe being formed under our own eye, it could be argued we have no reason to attempt to understand the creation. A creature with 5 senses attempting to define and understand an all powerful being can be considered pretty silly!

AI however would be programmed to even further limitations, thus it's concept of a higher power would naturally be different.

It's also interesting talking about control - For mankind to exist it may be possible that God's concept remains existent due to the human desire for control, and that as humanity grows more existential, the desire for control resides and steers us to an atheist society.

I on the other hand choose theistic existentialism and have the best of both sides. Greedy, but lets me sleep at night :P

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agreed + If there were a God, in terms of a higher and divine being, im sure he would feel pretty insecure about his own identity right now, people have a different God now (money), our relation to him would be weakened every second, and this is something the christian bible has calculated, it says that we will all be judged in the end and if we are good and kept our faith, we will be rewarded, and in any other case we must face hell. And yeah, although its a human creation, its wisdom cannot be parallelled with any other known document to man... but that doesnt matter.

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I think you're just bored ._.

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yeah, couldnt go out so im stuck here boring ppl sry

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No problem Mister

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"God as a concept is an omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent being."

Yet he apparently gave us free will...and so God vanishes in a puff of logic.

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we think we have free will yet our actions and how we think etc seem so predictable and so "controlled" and "restrained". As long as we accept something stronger and better than us humans that has control over us, noone can be sure to have free will

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edit: what hellhammer said basically

nvm :oD

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agree

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Newton believed in God!

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read the da vinci code

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xDDDDDDDD

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i am not only not believing in god, I KNOW that he doesn't exist.

you cant KNOW anything if you cant show any PROOFS that its really false and that you know that its false.

no offense. :)

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would laik to see his reply

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if you cannot proof that the given thing exists, it doesn't exist!:)

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if you cannot proof that the given thing does not exist, it does exist!:)

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So if I said I had a pink elephant you'd believe me simply because you cant prove it doesn't exist?

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you obviously missed the point i was trying to make.

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definitely he just wanted to show darnok, that the sentence he (darnok) had said is wrong.

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the burden of proof is (imo) not the problem for the skeptic, it's the problem for the theist

it's debatable though

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No it's not debatable.

The burden of proof is on the theist. End of.

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Mmm, I meant the issue/concept of the burden of proof itself is debatable, not the actual side at which the burden of proof would theoretically belong to

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For many centuries electricity couldnt be proven to exist. Does it mean it hadnt existed before it was discovered? ;-)

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That would be like me saying that a cross between a great white shark and a pig exists. It's a dangerous fucker that can walk on land and swim in the sea, it only looks a bit dorky with that weird nose. Now, YOU proof to me that that being does not exist, ok?

Doesn't work that way, now does it. Believers should proof that god exists, not the other way around, period.

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Believers dont need to prove anything. They just believe ;-).
(Ah you meant they need to prove it if they want someone else to say He exists^^)

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I'm sorry but if people are trying to manipulate society, law and the moral zeitgeist in general into a specific tradition...they'd better have some proof that it actually has any truth to it.

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Amen. Oh eeeh I meant "right on!"

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Seems like the number of those people is enough to manipulate it ;-( But it should change soon as people are getting more and more intelligent (in general).

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ever heard of the flying spaghetti monster? :D

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i kinda expected this :D n1

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your absolutly right

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oh so fucking agree

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and many people believe in God because of their experience, hopefully u will have the same experience

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i'd rather shoot myself than being deluded

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do u know what experience mean? there ar different kinds of experience, which u dont even imagine

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What about the people who shoot people because God or Jesus told them to? Are they crazy?

How about if Zeus told them to do it?

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Misinterpreted feelings and the hopeness, which is responsible for your so called personal experiences. If you had grown up in a world, which believes in pink penises you would tell me your "personal experiences" with a pink penis. It's striking and sound stupid, but it's true.

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there ar different kinds of experience, which u dont even imagine

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Ah ye....great argument...lsd, marijuhanna and Co. could cause the same. ;). The power of the will & imagination is unbelievable strong. Well investigated phenomenon...

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for examples many people saw angels, so what, they all were ar drugs? bb im off from discussion

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Yes drugs, but not what u understand under drugs. I just wanted to point out, what ur cognition is able to experience. There are also body intern drugs.

If the will is strong enough then you will imagine angels. For example: You see something, which is very far away. Your brain starts to handle the given informations and is 'giving out' the result to you. When u come closer you notice it was something completly different. The "LOL, I firstly thought it is a xxx"-effect. Like the 3430409249023409304 optical illusions you can find in the internet.

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ATHEIST FOR LIFE MOFOS

I do NOT :-)

Some interesting articles by Bertrand Russell:
What is an Agnostic?
Why I am Not a Christian
Am I An Atheist Or An Agnostic?
Has Religion Made Useful Contributions to Civilization?

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Is he not the guy who proposed we use mathematical equations to solve philosophical questions?

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I don't know about that but even if he did, I don't see how that's relevant!

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It's not :(

I did read the articles, some of it was interesting, some of it was pretty shitty.

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y0u are going to burn in hell

pisanie w jezyku ojczystym po spozyciu alkoholu jest trudniejsze niz w jezyku obcym lol

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Sorry, but those texts are plain bullshit.

Quotesex is more interesting than trains

Stoped reading beyond this line.

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Is it not? ;DDD

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I had to find sol's profile here and check.

Answer ir Yes.

i guess so

"I don't know what to believe."

More like a "no"!

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Depends on whether or not it's a genuine question ;p If asked with a rebellious tone like a child to mother "Why should i?!!?" then ye, i guess "No" is more suitable :D

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To me it seems like "I see no reason whatsoever to believe in god".

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whats up with the shit polls lately? heres a better idea: which game you cant wait for?
mafia2
max payne 3
rtcw2
guildwars 2(will be prolly best rpg game in the year 2009)
prince of persia 4
red alert 3

pick the games u like...

Clearly rtcw2 would rape the polls.

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in this site maybe, but obviously not in other places :>

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This is crossfire you fool. x_x

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i dont care, i personally dont care about rtcw2 and there are much more who will just choose diffrent
oh yeah "do you believe in god" poll is much better, fool Oo

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You're a minority on this site if you don't care about rtcw2. Do you believe in God is clearly a better poll because it's a much more conflicting poll, as you can see from the results!

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rofl

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make a poll what is better, a believing in god poll or games poll \o/
QQ

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definately Fallout 3 :P

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dono it :/

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http://fallout.bethsoft.com/index.htmll

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I do ofc.

what do u believe in ?

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in god

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LOL

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what's so funny bout that? =(

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dunno

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sad for u =(

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GTFO

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nooo ofc

god doesn't exist

give proofs!

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give proofs that he exist!

neverending sotry :D

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if he wouldn't exist, there wouldn't be anything, or how do you think everything started? :D

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Read theThe Last Question by Isaac Asimov

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tell me more plz

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So how did god's existence start?

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God's concept maintains that He is an eternal being.

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The cop out of all cop out's.

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Let's say if you believe in god or anything "like it" (different religions, but all have something like god, except e.g. buddhists) you believe in something that's not "from this world", which also means that god's existance never had to start but is adn will be eternal w/e, therefore it doesn't follow these worlds laws of physik.

:D

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heres proof:

image: jesus

look for the 4 dots in the center for a couple of minutes without blinking, then look at a wall close to you. Try blinking now

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wow cool, how does that works ?

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so-called afterimage effect:the visual phenomenon coming into existence after irritate the retinal with strong light or ofc after longer looking at something

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fucking hax :D

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you definitely convinced me !8D

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I've done this @school before and it acutally scares me :p

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omfg its jesus xDDD

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read Bible and u will find many proofs
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bible is such a reliable source!

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isnt new for me, coz i was saying the same :p
and btw how can u say its not reliable if u didnt read it? dont u think its stupid to say?

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I read it and it's just terrible. Even the church says nowadays that it's just the summary of stories and expriences by people in that times.

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how can you know whether I read it or not?

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Quoteand btw how can u say its not reliable if u didnt read it?

how the fuck reading the bible change the reliability of it?

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not really. it ends now. You can neither say he does exist or he does not. It's the fact.
And now all of us are left here with two options - you can either believe or do not. It's up to you. Simple as that.

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gtfo proof he did exist, some retard wrote some shit on paper and all the retards are following him

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existance of god != sources of any religions

gtfo urself! >:(

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what source? some random paper writting by a drunken man?

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!= = "means not" afaik :O

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well tbh it were more retards, and all about the same thingy etc and i just found it hard to belive that thingy is all made up balbla its just to much.

i would lie to belive otherway cuz then i could just go to the whores without hard feelings etc blalbalb :p

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no its not to much, its just a big fucking hype cause all low minded people want to believe in something that doesn't exist and over the past decades it just increased with more and more mindless people

look at the pope that tard is doing nothing, just touring around the world for free and annoying his last years for free

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well i agree @ the pope and 'katolisisme' att all i disgust it also
but its just the bible is imo to much to made up by one man, also i found the idea of a shepper much more believeble as when there was nothing and then suddenly a bang there was an earth with apes with eventually seemed to be humans, you cant be so convinced that it doesnt excist, afaik there arent solid proofs for it, NEITHER are there proofs good exist, only the bible but that isnt solid enough for a lot of ppl

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and tbh existance of god != following any retard

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Would I need to prove you that there is no pink penis with sun glases in ur wall? I hope u now what I mean... :P

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i belive in smth, but im not actively going to church

i am atheism incarnate.

i'm a science-person, always have, always will.

furthermore, my life's goal is to see all religions eradicated and all fundamentalists hung, drawn and quartered

that sounds pretty fundamentalist if you ask me

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i'm glad to see someone failed to see the irony

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lolol

"when i was a kid, i prayed every night for a new bike. later i understand god doesnt work that way, so i stole a bike and prayed that he will forgive me"

=D

Sure i do. He speaks to me everyday.

i lol at people who see god as some kind of person xD

i imagine him as a big blond woman with big tits :D

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ye god is up in the invisible sky looking down at you!

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i hope she will see what a big dick i have ^_^

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soz man but god is both female and male, so he is kinda a shemale or something ;/ even if heshe is blonde with big tits, check whats under =/

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you sick jew ='(

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WE NEED SPREE ON THIS SUBJECT, I EVEN HEARD HE EMAILDS NASAA!1

i rly loled xD

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i am not sure, tbh.

I dont believe in God like the church teaches he/she/it is (u know old man with beard in the sky, sitting on a cloud and playing harf or whatever)

I do believe more that "god" is in every creature of the world, meaning the good and evil as a part in everyone.

i believe you are a witch

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witch? Meaning like the church teaches with believing in "SATAN!!!" or whatever, practicing strange blackmagic-rituals :DDDD ? lol sorry, no.

If its wiccan religion what I believe, then maybe ur right, else, no sorry mate.. NOT.

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neo-pagan?

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I dont define myself as a witch or whatever oO I dont want to get pushed into any category tbh

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i refered to this one
If its wiccan religion what I believe, then maybe ur right, else, no sorry mate.. NOT.

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ah well religion, no matter which, is useless imo .. believe what u want, and accept others if they believe something different. Fine by me, if someone believes in god

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lolz you dont understand what i'm trying to say :P
you said you believe in wicca,maybe
and so i asked you if you're neo-pagan^^

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i have no idea tbh :P i said: IF its the wiccan religion to say there is a god in everyone, then u may call me a witch, else not.

I have no idea what neo-paganism is about :D

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kk^^
neo-paganism

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k thanks. are u neo pagan?

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nah not really,or better, i dont know actually
i trust in jesus and honor the gods of my ancestors, so maybe i'm a bit neopagan :P
but i dont sacrifice animals or smth xD

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I have problems with the catholic church, not with god or jesus, i think if anyone believes in those guys, ok for me - as long they respect me believing in what i want. Christianity in its pure form will accept anyone how he is and love this person no matter where he/she comes from. (Oldschool-)Catholics mostly dont :/ (and they wont accept women as priests another reason for me to not like them)

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i'm a protestant btw :P
but i agree, the catholic church is too patriarchic and greedy for power :>

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exactly, thats why i never liked the catholic church. Protestants are ok :)

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yep,the protestant church is much less strict as the catholic, eg women are allowed to become priests too
but anyway i'm off now,gn8 :)

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yes and u may marry as a priest as well :) gn8 ! :)

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burn her on the stake!!!

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bind her hands and throw her into the water. If she survives she is a witch so burn her. If not, then you killed innocent person but np with that ;-)

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actually the rule was to get those poor women back to the surface after a certain time, so she had a chance to survive :s but mostly those poor women simply drowned :(

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Yes I read about it too ;-) Cant believe people could be so dumb and did such things, really :D Like fucking monkeys or something...^^

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ah well .. it was the middleages.. ppl were held dumb by the patriachs so they could gain more and more power .. luckily those times are gone :)

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they dont teach me him laik that tbh xD

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so basicly you believe in the goodwill of people.

remember that personality is just a mixture of genes and environment.

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true. But still everyone has the power to do his own decisions in life.

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yes and no.

sure you're in control of your actions...but some people are naturally nicer, or naturally more violent.

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Definitely not! It's all such bullshit, especially Catholicism.

Belief in God doesn't require religion you know...

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Ofc it does if you believe in god its from the influence of some religion. The very thought of a god is just there to make to make people feel better about themselves and about dying and going to "heaven"

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Actually it dosen't. Try to research the explanation for God by the Greek philosophers.

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Im not gonna research but, didn't they worship the sun and other random stuff?

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Just a simple answer.

No.

what the fuck is god?

There's a link to the wiki article for a reason!

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hey thanks!

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I believe in robot Jesus!

Am I the first to say here.. Yes, I do believe in God?

I don't... I wish I did though, life would be so much easier :}.

Of course not.

I'm glad I no longer believe in any of the religions of the God of Abraham. What an immoral character he is...

I have an intense dislike for the arrogance portrayed by people who point to a book and say..."This book says that is wrong!"

What bullshit!

I was brought up Catholic...and if a Catholic can give me a good argument for why they believe the Pope is infallible...I'd be delighted.

I am, however, about to go to a house party so I wouldn't be able to answer for quite some time.

P.S. I can't fucking stand this whole Intelligent Design shit. Evolution is a fact.

evolution could be designed...

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It also could be not.

Why bother thinking that it was if there's no reason to do so?

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exactly what i think. it doesnt matter anyways

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That's not Intelligent Design though.

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I believe in God but I think most of the stuff that christianity teaches and preaches is made in the way that it suits the Church and their eternal crave for power

i am agnostic kthxbai

"I don't hate god, it's his fanclub I can't stand"

You can not hate what does not exist. So a big fat NO, I do NOT believe in god. There is simply not a single shred of evidence that he does exist, and like I said earlier it's not up to the non-believers to proof he doesn't exists, it's up to the believers to proof he does exist.

Just because there is a big fat book that has a few rewrites over the past couple thousand years that have all kinds of vague stories about ppl and their adventures does not mean it's all true. The "fact" that jesus (yes he did exist but is just a mere human that lived in nazaret) "resurrected" from the dead is about as true as your average illusionist that cuts someone in half. Even in this day and age we see illusionists pull of tricks that we simly can't grasp and go in awe like "wow, how the fuck"... Imagine ppl about 2000 years ago, how much they could actually interpret, put logic to and try and understand if they saw a trick like that happen. They'd probably write a big fat book about it ;-)

So if u belive in god why dont u belive in UFO? same bullshit

atheists are true believers!

I dont believe in shit

Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that he himself could not eat it?

ye earth is only 6000 years old and dinousaurs never existed and we deny c14 method xDDdddd

lick my balls you cunts

earth is 6000 years old, dinosaurs were always living with people and c14 method is not exact

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

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xD

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You're not serious are you?

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Such a frustrating question.

only 14,7% voted for you ofc its frustrating

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plz delete this poll, its not a crossfire question, where people say their opinions where they dont have any clue about, and its making really frustrating to read all the shit is written here.

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It actually is quite reassuring to see that non-believers are in the majority!

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do u still somebody who think majority is always right?

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Who said so? Actually the biggest part of the humanity is believing in god. Sadly...

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Never said so!

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I'd rather say that the number of believers is surprisingly high.

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That's probably because of the jew community.

No offence, just mentioned it. And I didn't mean all the jews are believers.

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looking at civilization history i would cross out the word 'surprisingly'.

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Censorship was always the first solution for christians, when they couldn't give arguments. :D

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ur funny, really, i have my arguments to believe in bible, and what ar urs? stupid discussion

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Agnostic

I believe in Myself.

Religions are only making war.

Agnostic :d

Yea, I do believe in Him and in His son Jesus Christ who died for us all but we just don't care. I am also sure that He does exist, for I've experienced some things that just could not be explained otherwise.

I can't understand this fight between science and religion since they can both support each other. Of course there are some widely supported scientific theories which are practically utter bullshit or just made up.

So when you couldnt explain your experience you concluded this must be god? God is a pretty accesible explanation.

Anyway i think all religions are based on the very same thing we can't grab and don't understand yet.

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so what things happened to you? and btw those scientific theories that appear utter bullshit, they are not practical at all, they are just topics for philosophical discussion, something that would attract spree, noone and nothing can prove that god exists, you can only believe...

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Even if you could prove with 100% certainty that God does exist, people would still refuse to believe. As for these things, for example miracle recoverings from illnesses or physical injuries. Or people making complete turnarounds in their lives, from a drug addicted criminal to straight and sober in one day.

And with those theories I mean some generally accepted "facts" in everyday healthcare, just can't put them to words in English since I don't handle the terminology.

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I fail to see how any of the things you mentioned suggests that there is any kind of divine being.

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how do you know it's not allah that did those unexplainable things?

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do u believe in the bible as well?

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i believe in smth, but i dont know in what exactly
maybe its jesus, maybe the norse gods
but i know one thing definitely:
allah can suck my balls.

:DDDD

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I totally agree about allah and he can suck mine as well.

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God doesn't exist, simple as. Who believes something else is just naive and should blame his parents for a failed education. Everyone should believe in what he wants to justify his poor life as long nobody is bothering me with it. Too bad belief is influencing people in a negative way in 90 per cent of the cases.

QuoteToo bad belief is influencing peoples in a negative way in 90 per cent of the cases.

wtf?

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why should i believe in something like god? will my life be better then? dont think so, I rather believe in myself.

I personally think that especially weak people try to find relief in religion or the church or god.
I dont care about what other people think or what they believe as long as they dont bother me with it.

But what really IS bothering me is that I get forced in school for example, to take a course of religion or ethic.
Basically its the same shit. Why do I need to learn things that might have never happened? There is no evidence at all for those things.
I dont get the sense in that and I am not interested in stories of jesus or whatsoever either.

But I think it is nice that you borught up this poll, interesting to see what the people on here think about this and finally a serious poll.

To the people who do believe in god: tell me why do you believe in something which has never been proven? There is no proof and there will never be.

When it comes down to God’s existence, I’m an atheist. On the question how and why matter came into existence, I’m an acrostic. The whole thing puzzles me.

No. I meant acrostic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrostic

I do not believe in any divine power,no matter what name you give it. The search for a god is a search for ourselves.
I don't believe our world/the universe was "created" intentionally.
I don't think our existence serves any purpose besides reproduction. We live and because we live the only thing that makes sense to us is to make sure we don't become extinct. Every animal follows this basic rule. But still we are different. In my opinion humans are a plague. We take and destroy and we give nothing back. Maybe that's our purpose: Destroy earth so that we are forced to populate other planets and thus make sure our species doesn't die out. But I do know that humanity will be gone some day. No matter how hard we fight, everything comes to an end :)

Agreed. Humanity is just another evolutionary Cul-de-Sac.

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Yes, but not in that God. I believe in the flying Spaghetti monster.
edit: Removed the wronk link, the right link is in the reply below.

Blasphemy! Here's the real website: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

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oh, my bad.

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It's a shame you don't get the joke. :<

I believe that the strongest(meaningful) message is sent by the Catholic Church unlike Islam or Judaism. In the time of Pasha Jews are strongly forbidden to have even crumbs of bread on the table. They have to respect strict rules all the time. We see Muslims inviting people to join "Holy wars" daily, how can a war possibly be Holy ? Everybody who insults Alah should be torchered and killed for it. ( a good example of pushing the bar to high was pronouncing Jihad( holy war) to Denmark if they don't punish a journalist who made fun of Alah in one of his illustrations.
My points is that in every religion you have to obey rules ( praying three times a day to Alah ) but Catholic Church says that you don't have to go to Church every weekend, you don't have to pray every day..etc. you just have to be a honest person (not even that if you honestly regret your sins ) who will regret his sins at the end. That and only that will be enough for you to be embraced by God in his home.

A smaller turd is still a turd. It's sad enough that some people need a church to be a honest person.

You have a very 'populist' view.

QuoteWe see Muslims inviting people to join "Holy wars" daily, how can a war possibly be Holy ? Everybody who insults Alah should be torchered and killed for it.

Take some history lessons. ;) Is there anything which caused more deaths than the catholic church? The holy war and the islamist extremism has nothing to do with the islam
by itself. It's just a ventil of the poverty caused by the economy system. Take a look on the situation in the U.S.A. of in a main area of Africa. That is pure extremism.

The less responsibilities for catholics are just a fact of the Western civilisation. The "hole bible" is saying something completly different!

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My comment was meant for those who reject religions only because they have to obey certain habits or rituals to be a truthful believer. Of course its stupid to say someone is a bad believer if he dosen't kneel three times a day to pray his God. Either you believe or you don't, simple as that.

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Quote It's sad enough that some people need a church to be a honest person.

Agreed. But what's wrong with the idea of church inviting you to lead a normal and honest life? Some people just need a little push from someone.

Quote The holy war and the islamist extremism has nothing to do with the islam

I already mentioned the Denmark situation. There was a big protest in Pakistan ( 2 million people ) and the leaders of the Islamic religion in that region invited every muslim in the world to join in the Holy war, not the islam extreme organizations.

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Quote Take some history lessons. ;) Is there anything which caused more deaths than the catholic church?

I am well aware what the Catholic church did in the past. I'm not running away from it. Most people today don't even go to churches because they don't agree on the present decisions and political activity of the Catholic Church. I believe that the Catholic Church is corrupted as any political party today and that they are holding back with a lot of information and knowledge from us. But that dosen't stop me nor should anybody from believing that there is a God out there.

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QuoteI already mentioned the Denmark situation. There was a big protest in Pakistan ( 2 million people ) and the leaders of the Islamic religion in that region invited every muslim in the world to join in the Holy war, not the islam extreme organizations.

An organisation or a person who is wanting something like that is extreme imo. :P

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You also have to believe the Pope is infallible...so when he invokes this...he's without error. The Assumption of Mary into heaven anyone???

You also have to believe in both the Immaculate Conception and the Virgin Birth.

You also have to believe that a cracker of bread ACTUALLY CHANGES into the body of Christ. No, no. It's not symbolic when it comes to the Catholic Church. Same goes for wine into blood.

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No you don't. If you sincerely regret your sins you will be forgiven by God. The Catholic Church is based on that. You can be a Muslim, Jew anything you want. It applies for everybody.

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Then you can't really be considered a practicing Catholic, can you? To me it sounds like you're a Catholic because it's the most convenient.

Google the word 'dogma' or 'dogmatic definition'. There are things you are required to accept.

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Nope. I usually don't criticize believing, but religions are partly a bit weird. People are doing something they can't explain. Rituals, habits and some principles are just stupid. That's my opinion.

As Mark Jansen said, "Do something for religion you can't explain or understand and you're an idiot".

Read my comment.

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What if we can explain and understand the stuff we're doing? Still idiots?

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The explanations are idiotic, so yes!

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It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring!

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My sister asked few years ago my cousin who's deep in this religiousness stuff and all she got as answer to her questions was "well...it just is like that.."Just point proven they don't always know what they're doing even themselves. And this thing is just about habits and principles of their lives, not about actual believing, even if it's connected.

I'm not saying believing is stupid because I'm not "one of them". Some cults just are very critical with their stuff and they allow no exceptions. Total zero-tolerance. And the reason of this, oh wait, there's nothing more as a reason than "ITS IN TEH RELIGION ZOMG". That's stupid.

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singling out the non beleivers :x h8ers!

thats cos theyve realised the horrible truth that we're all fucked.

no, i have an education.

I believe in various Gods, not the Christian god though :>

i believe in allah

the question is does god believe in me?

god doesnt belive in gay ppl, soz ='(

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5870901554543719947 omg omg

ah now i know why you're so fucking stupid.
you're probably some ugly nerd who goes to church on sunday

my answer: no, i've got a brain and my parents aren't mongols.

yes

who needs God when you have mAx...

I'm on the believing side of agnostic. I'm probably with Locke in that I don't believe that mankind is, or ever can be, sophisticated enough to know everything, so will never know if god exists.

Also, I don't think this is an entirely appropriate debate for xfire. Even on the most civilized and respectful forum I know, debates about religion tend to degenerate into flamefests.

Believe in what you wish to, I believe in pbbans :)

i dont believe. What more I consider myself to be an "anti-teist"

:D
I don't belive in anything until it's proven that it exists (agnostic). A christian calling me a retard, heh. Go get brainwashed more, kid.

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