Is it time for ClanBase to remove Killerboy?
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15 Dec 2008, 14:08
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Former ClanBase supervisor and Crossfire Challenge Director Cash has thrown his weight behind the growing calls for current ClanBase C&A Killerboy to be removed from his current position of power. In a journal by Ronner over 100 comments, most of them negative, agreed that it was time for Killerboy to go.
Is it time for ClanBase to remove their controversial C&A Sup?
Is it time for ClanBase to remove their controversial C&A Sup?
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53.8 %
(623 votes)
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27.4 %
(317 votes)
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18.8 %
(217 votes)
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hmmm yes
:D
CONSPIRACY
My days of influence are gone :(
gonna mess around now and try and find the actual answer
/me votes to keep him on cb, improving.
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edit: naga Yes unexpected
His acting in general is below the bar and since CB is some kind of "authority" in ET, it would be better that he steps down.
Vote for yes.
hi :D
If not let him stay admin, he's banning cheaters every day and I still think that's his job. And he'll never ban players with a clear conscious
I vote to keep him
Let the killerboy stay!
But i dont agree with his desicion not to let Disposable play EC only because we have a couple of players who are "suspicious" and that we have to go to lan before we are allowed to play EC -_- You're either banned or not, There is nothing inbetween really. If you aren't, let them play EC, instead of not banning them but still not let them play Clanbase.
And i dont like his way to mock us that we are not allowed to play EC, but i think it's cuz of his age.
I do think he should stay as C&A but with some/someone, and not publish his opinions before his "colleague " Agree's. Cuz i think he has done some nice busts and I think it's gonna be more cheaters if he step down,unless he keep trying to bust guys even though he has to step down.
pathetic
At least he's doing something for the community and i appreciate the effort he puts into it.
He's banning players which is his job and i dont see anyone who got banned without ANY reason.
So no, definetly no.
I'm sure you didn't cheat but it's actually not Killerboys fault that you downloaded some config including a cheat cvar.
Killerboy just did the right and it's not his fault.
Face it..
Don't take this personally, i still love you but its just my opinion on this topic.8
but banning for cvars is pointless imo, the chance to ban innocents is WAY too high.
Also I dont blame killerboy for that.
but nevertheless I voted yes after I saw him still being sure about naga cheating after cc5 only because of that ridicolous "afk-tracking-scene".
btw: lova ya too :D if my comment would have been serious it would have looked different ;) (wow i'm sure that was decent engrish!)
There are rules and also Killerboy gotta follow them, and so he did.
But that doesnt matter as you said you dont blame KB for it.
Well, as often said by others already, playing well on lan doesnt mean you cant hack online. :P
He performed well on Lan, but it doesnt exclude that he didnt have any hacks running on that afk-tracking-scene.
And well, that scene was really obvious.
99% of the community thought he hacked back then, and now Killerboy gets flamed and blamed for maybe being wrong after his good performance at Lan? Stupid, .. just stupid..
Killerboy's approach isn't one I agree with and normally I keep myself out of ET discussions but the recent trends are so harmful to the community and ET's future that I want to speak out.
Now, this does not mean I want him removed. This Black/White stigmatization of a person is not good especially because his efforts are valiant. There are many ways in between that perhaps he alters his course and becomes more careful.
In essence, there are other steps that can be taken first before a community spits out one of the most caring person in the ET community (at least to keep the ET scene clean).
I didn’t take that as to say he should have no involvement, or to say all that he’s done is bad. As I inferred it you were suggesting to remove him as the public head with overarching control whilst still utilising the enthusiasm, having someone with somewhat more maturity to reign him in when necessary and keep a lid on things.
Though those caveats aside, the bottomline is, you said he should go.
To misquote Maggie Thatcher “If you ever get trial by hearsay or guilt by accusation, that day Enemy Territory dies”
The comment all contain arguments that advocate a removal, but I didn't.
Even the comment you are referring to was actually meant to refer to players falsely accused and would leave ET, not Kboy.
However, I still want to make the stance that shit needs to change. Fast and big time :)
And that is why I wanted to make it a bit more clear on where i stand. No complete turn around in 10 minutes time ;)
I wasn't going for a demand to have him lifted. I wanted to point out the current problem, because the community is also doing its part, but it is fueled by such actions.
remove him and get 5 bans per year again, what kind of idiot wants him off
he does a good job, but he isn't professional enough to stop the flame/whine/etc.
He can still bust cheaters, but then without the admin status of CB!
ITS FUCKING CROSSFIRE
everyone flames when he gets the chance to, and its not up to a community full of retards to take a decision about who gets his admin status removed and who doesn't.
Let experts deal with it in private, so they can make the right decisions.
You are right about a large portion of the community ;)
Well, he shouldn't have hyped the community about the list, maybe not even publish it, But why should they keep it private if they can't ban someone for such a list? (dunno if its still the same, it was that way with fusenlist..)
All cheat cases I handled were treated with the CB admin ranks. Once the case was closed we announced someone got banned and in many occasions we didn't even make the proof public.
The old days... ;)
If he takes his responsibility and bans lio & vila & the cheaterloving team rotkat, then he can remain cb w/e
If he ignores this shit, then its time to go
Though I would like to see him continue his work :D
wasting my time.
rtcw2 is cming
Who would take his place as a head?
Sure, if bulld0g and some other serious cheatbusters was active and willing to do it he could step down from the head role, but now such as it is he is the one that can do the most.
need option yes and no
For him to stay in CB, he needs to learn to be 100% sure that a player cheats before he says anything or bans someone, instead of openly accusing that player on crossfire and causing alot of uneeded controversy and e-drama. This goes for those overhyped and tediously shit lists he comes out with.
He would also need to stop being so fucking paranoid. Take the players/teams he thought were suspicious online for example. Some of them turned up to LAN and proved themselves without a problem..
He simply has a lot to learn and should have a decision maker above him and a couple guys around him to look at the stuff he found out and see wether it's useful or not.
Now the poll looks more like "Do you hate killerboy and want him to die of aids?", which is not at all what I mean by selecting "yes".
Just to compare, the way ur doing it now, it looks like : ur being a retard at home, so we need to fire you at work..
Crossfire is part of his "work" :} public relations, confidence in the post, degree of professionalism, etc.
It could be argued he's brought the position into disrepute through posting on Crossfire
You're looking for complexity where there is none.
Important to note, the above, and the question, doesn't ask if he should be thrown out of CB, just relieved from his current "position of power".
You can argue semantics, but you're wrong :v
It wouldn't hurt if he where a bit more polite and nice tho :/
Guess that goes to most players in the ET scene, but since he is an admin with a lot of control and a lot of ways to manipulate he should be more careful with what he says and claims.
- Yes
- No
- Buy a new PC, fucking gypsies
- Yes
- No
- Buy a new PC, fucking gypsies
kinda fits :<
Did he ban "innocent" people?
If not, and even if he did (if there's good argumentation) there's no reason to do so.
Hes doing great job busting ppl, checking everything etc. , but hes racist and accusing clean players.
but he busts sometimes. right now he doesnt. so dont really care at the moment. but if he'll keep busting keep him in :X
but finally i dont care.
It's funny to read he keeps accusing players (like naga) who played good on lan, when there has never been any decent proof to accuse them on.. Seems like the kid just can't believe his own stupidity :x
So, Yes it's time to go.
He simply has a lot to learn and should have a decision maker above him and a couple guys around him to look at the stuff he found out and see wether it's useful or not.
If he could be more subjective and remove personal feelings from the job then he'd have no problems at all.
He is doing anything for this community and for the game!
My answer is NO!
Another great poll which is directed in a way that gives a rather predictable result.
250+ comments in a journal criticising a person with considerable power within the scene, one of the most respected ET admins for the first time voicing concern (not something I've seen him do before), the question warrants being asked. How could I have phrased it to get a less predictable answer? Or is it the communities complete lack of confidence in said admin that makes the result so predictable?
Which where the other predictable ones btw?
This community is totally filled with cheaters, former cheaters, cheater lovers, stupid kids, retards in general, people who just lack in thinking about what they are actually saying. People who talk ET is dead because three other guys said it. People that can't write a ten comments without using at least five times the word 'fail'. People that don't think about what bullshit they are doing, when wishing somebody else to die from aids. People that just click 'Yes' because it's the first option.
It is so easy to build up hysteria concerning any specific thing, may it be ClanBase, Killerboy or the ESL. There just needs to be a little group of people constantly writing 'CB sux' and when there is one key factor like bad EC invites or a new config set, the masses start to join them. Those votes do nothing but damage. As the vote could result in the loss of one of our most ambicious community volunteers.
Killerboy in fact does not behave like an admin should do but he still bans cheaters. And that's what he is supposed to do. Remember one year back when there were about 400 cheaters to be banned and CB didn't do shit?
And the TLR ranking vote was also directed in a way it just could result in how it did. Of course the thing wasn't perfect but the vote neither helped anyone nor did it contribute to a better development of the scene. And you could again tell me that I was clearly involved there, still it doesn't change what I criticized.
Oh my! This should be put in disclaimer when registering on crossfire!
KB is doing a great job as I said before, and it will be a big loss to lose a person like him that represents what cheaters are affraid of. He has to take conscience of his mistakes, but we don't have to leave him out of our community.
Although, instead of removing him from CB, I think it would be more wise to keep him there but not for him to give the final decision on who gets banned (if he still does?)
He's done a fine job in the AC scene, and has named and shamed plenty of people, even if a handful were actually legit players)
So unless you find someone who's as active as him and does the job to replace, then I'll keep voting no :>
Once you go hack, you never go back.
Sorry an old saying that :D.
killerboy doing good
May I suggest Robaciek?
voted wrong option :-|
Or he should get a PR-manager:
There are no americans in Iraq!!!
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I'm not sure i feel the poll title is fair either: 'Is it time for ClanBase to remove Killerboy?' seems to have the author point you in a certain direction :P
Maybe a more unbiased title would be fair :)
With this Lio and shit journal, WTF? How can people support cheaters, you say it's your most hated thing about ET and you support them.
Killerboy will BAN and BUST any cheater, if they do not cheat then they can't be busted can they? Without evidence and proof why would anyone be banned?
Bollocks to the people who said it's time for him to go, if this passes say bye bye to ET.
all cheaters haters will vote no
lol
Peace, wont post more reply's.
"I"m the uber banning admin, fuck you cheater anyway" mentality that i don't agree with.
From my old cunt point of view, he's good in busting people and persistant in some ways,
but in some cases (and don't ask for an example) he just crosses the line.
Me thinks that in his position he should keep a low profile as to how the busts are done
post an addicquate link to CB and be done with it.
Cheater busted, ok, link, proof and then ban the twat, simple as that.
If the bust isn't valid, hey, propper channels are there to "unbust", else fuck off and die.
But then again, most of the community evolves around them so-called med+ players, scaring ordinary people off with their childish behaviour.
All i ever read or see on ETTV channels, is slagging people off, no matter how, they just do.
Either it's their tag, or the "one" they play with.
Common u little twats, don't think u invented the game or the way it should be played.
It's when u get older u realise what a tard u've been all these years, and get to play the game
it should be played, fun and no boundaries, and NOT by spamming STFU and everything else that comes to your mind.
Be cool, have fun, lost, so be it, won, have a blast.
*toilet break* , vented my opinion, i voted NO, leave him be, atleast he busts people
and noone else picks up the job he has been given.
Even though i disagree on some points, i don't see any point in sacking im from his current assignment.
If any other is up to the task or job, come foreward or shut up.
+funny guy with funny busts, we can laught
-if he is down on somebody he won't let him out
Anyways as the part of ClanBase he should have a good and professional behaviour within the community. So, if the things (written above by you) are true, he should change his personality (at least the online one), because unprofessional behaviour and ClanBase are inconsistent, especially in a long-term period.
dont think anyone would be that addicted like he is
just check the old cheatbusters squad they were a joke :X !
ET definitely needs cheatbusters like killerboy, if killerboy leaves, what would we have? A game full of cheaters.
Killerboy, if u change ur attitude, and start act more mature. U could be a guy who everyone respect. Hope this sentence makes u think about ur behaviour and how to be an admin who everybody could love.
So I voted NO.