Mapping contest

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pirates = best name

pirates map is the best, it's awesome actually

Pirates won't work in competition right now.

1st stage is nearly impossible for allies with a good defence. 2nd stage is also quite hard to attack. I'm sure skilled snipers in the boat can totally destroy a 3 man attack from main (I think it's main).

Didn't really play the others a lot.

Tourine axis (I think 2nd spawn) is hard to get out of. Too easy spawnkill.

Pirates and Tounine only need some smaller adjustments to be fully playable imo :)
The others I don't know tbh, I just didn't get them. They looked quite bad and didn't play out nice on public.

I'll drop a more lenghty reply with better feedback tomorrow or so!

First off a great thanks to all mappers still out there!

Tounine was quite nice. I can except some nice docrushes but something needs to be done with the tank, imo put it a bit longer path imo. There is rly no problem with tank driving for allies cause of small path, also nice tjs. And nice to see a sand map again!

Rest ill update later when i played them

I enjoy Pirates. It's really pleasant to play it at least for the beauty.
But it should be hard to attack.

Tounine seems to be a good map. Last part should be hard to defend. Axis couldn't cross around the bunker.

Other suck. (if mappers want more info pmme)
Anyways, I can't make the quarter of the half you do

Pirates @ axis stage = total pwnage :D

remove the knickknack, a smaller size, less objectives

pirates has the potentiel to be really good

are there going to be videos that give a tour of the map, like previously? i dont play, but i want to be able to see the maps :)

At first I'd like to thank everyone involded, you guys did a good job so far.
Now my detailed feedback to every map. Please notice I only played the map @ Axis


Tounine
Make the spawn ways (corridor) wider, otherwise Allies can easily spawnkill with spam nades and/or a panzerfaust. When you made delivery playable, you also made the ways wider to avoid spam shit. Same should be done here. I really enjoyed playing this map, it's my favourite at the moment. Thumbs up.


Castle
It surely needs more details. Also add some boxes and/or bushes at the 2nd strage for Allies to hide. Maybe a tower or a house would do the job aswell. The don't really get the first stage, but it still reminds me somehow of Oasis. Allies can easily invade, imo.


Jungle
Seriously, which idiot set the spawntimes? Public heros will like it but for comp. it's just bullshit. Place the Axis spawn more backwards, otherwise the Axis can rape the Allies a bit to easy. Add also some walls, bushes all the time is annoying - at least for me.


Pirates
Quite huge, isn't it? The Axis spawn at the 2nd stage is too perfect imo. Add another room they spawn in, otherwise it's kinda too easy to push out and kill the Allies. 1st stage also needs a edit. Boxes and stuff, you know? I'd also suggest to make the tower in the water accessible (with a ladder). There you can place 1 or 2 covis. Or make the beach like et_beach with more places to hide. And btw, why the hell there's an ammo cabinet at the flag? It should be activated when Allies took the flag, otherwise Axis can easily spam around. Not good. LoL


Frozen
Also at this map you need more textures and details. Add more places to hide at _both_ stages. It feels so empty, but I really like the idea with the flags. And clip the roofs at the Axis spawn, that's so fucking annoying. There's also a bug you can stuck in, but I don't know really where it was. Will take a look later and talk back to you.

Maybe do a smaller map (less long ways). Just do the size like supply so the battle is central.

Only played 2 maps once so far, for Tounine, it reminds me a lot of an already existing map, I played on jaymod, can't remember the name + there are too many paths imo, but maybe it's just because I don't know where to go yet..Looks are nice.
Quitted Castle after some minutes, at least 1st stage looks kinda bad, floor, walls, all the same. The road then doesn't seem too playable in competition for me..
Need to play more though, to be able to judge it decently enough.

There is already a map called Castle_b1 :S

so this are the new pub IP's ?:XSAD

This is what I think after playing every map on Public and going through every corner on every map on my very own server.

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1. There are 4 towers/rooms with windows at the start. You could try to remove the 2 middle rooms with windows and leave one tower on the right and one on the left.
Then it would be easier for allies to attack because 4 Axis players can't camp/hide/medpackwhore/lean at four towers.

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2. Add a ladder or destroyable wall with dynamite
Start is too easy to defend. Arty @ the only way to get in -> Allies start boosting/tjing = fucked up stage.

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3. Add second spawn for Allies opposite 1st spawn
Axis can spawnkill/arty Allies 1st spawn too easily.

4. Remove a couple of boxes near pirateship
There will be less camping behind boxes.

5. Remove ammo/health cabinet
ET is about teamplay, we got fieldops not 5 man Axis medic army defending the only entrance to the Old City.

6. Fix the spawntimes (20 Allies 30 Axis)
Current spawntimes (15 Allies 20 Axis) = Too much rambo medics. Besides it's hard to get the flag with those spawnratios.


TOUNINE


1. Remove the roof/ladder next to tank barrier
When allies have taken objectives and all axis are unfortunately @ fulls. Objective guy going trough tunnel to the transmitter. If you are an axis there's no way to go through this

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This roof is just too dominating.



CASTLE, JUNGLE, FROZEN


Nothing can be made to make it playable for competition, good for jaymod server tho.



edit. btw who did pirates and tounine?

well first of all big thanks to the guys who made this, i like them all
second in my opinion if et should move forward we should remove supply/gold and add the new maps to the maplist in cb/esl ,.... well it is obv teams wont realy play this maps aslong maps like supply and gold are there

we could try to remove gold/supply for 1 ec/oc season then everybody will play radar/adler and ofc the new maps all the time instead of this boring suply/gold ...


cheers eujen

good job mappers :)

Ok, here comes my preview (played allies):

1. Frozen:

Strafemap <3 :D I also liked the idea with the ice on the ground, makes it special in some way (Fast rushes etc.) But its way toooooo big and very empty (also felt lost from time to time). Add more details like boxes, tress etc. and rework textures etc. However, i dont think that this map will be played on etpro mod. For me it looks like a funmap, so maybe it better fits into Jaymod etc.

2. Castle

Wayyyyyy too big and very empty (needs more details). Axis can push to the first allies spawn very fast and can do too much spawncamp (all this small tunnels etc. makes it just too perfect to spawn camp). Second stage is ok but whats that after CP? The whole areal around the objective place is just tooooo wide and the dark ground makes it pretty hard to see axis who are camping all over the field.

3. Jungle

Nothing against the guy who did that map but wtf? 5 and 10 secs spawntime, too long ways for the allies to attack and axis can camp or push all the time due to short spawntime.
Getting the first flag will be luck only so its not what we wanna see (teamplay and organnized rushes). Didnt had the time to look into further stages of this map (sorry).

4. Tounine

Hmmm, dont know what i should think about this map. It looks nice and i really liked the concept, that the map is contructed like a circle so that u can reach every point of the map within some short time. Will make it hard to work out defence-tactics and will force the teams to change their strategy all the time. On the other hand i think the map is too open and would need some more seperation into different stages.

5. Pirates

Really really liked this map (the textures are amazing and the dark and foggy look is fine). To get a nice stopwatch map out of it, it would still need some work. Firs stage need a second entrance (too easy to defend.) Further stages are ok from what i saw but didnt had the time to look into every corner :D All in all its maybe a lil bit too huge, but ok maybe it will work (remember radar).

At the end a want to give a rating in which order the maps could be used in stopwatch-mode:

1. Pirates
2. Tounine
3. Frozen
4. Castle
5. Jungle

Have trickjumpers also test the maps, Pirates is ridiculous with the roofs not clipped.

I LOVE THE BEETLE ON TURINE!!!!

Idk, Pirates very good map imo.

I like jungle too.Its difficult for allies, but 1 map still must be Axis sided.

Pirates:
Maybe do another ladder in the water where the ship is. It's annoying to get pushed or fall in water and swim around the ship...

castle_b1a:
Did you noticed the brush in the sky? (the red, blue, green thing).
It's above the river on the left of map.

I like Junge, castle and pirates.

Pirates: add a 'sideroute' on the first attack and close the right tower window. Makes it more solid to defend but with an extra acces route for allied.
Also the middle stage(With cp etc) is abit like a maze or felt like it(maybe add a more forward spawn?)

Jungle: Good map, although IF the axis manage to push forward and put arties on the alllied first spawn it's pretty imposible to attack again, maybe add a cave way around the back or make it like Battery first stage with a side spawn on the other side and a side way there.

Castle: Good overall, some might say oversized. But some people also got used to Radar's open spaces so, just add abit more cover like little rocks around the dyno area so the allied can actually hide from bullets(maybe like on Beach, the little rock pillars and iron crosses). Make the dynamite plantable, to increase the excitement or make allied steal a gunshell from the gun and run that back. Running something towards the obj is very easy to camp for the axis..... just all camp at the gun and hold tight.

The ice map is fucking awful, its not a hard objective or anything but it just doesnt look well though about. Just square buildings popping out and it's all VERY basic mapping. Work it out more and pay more detailed attention to the looks and it could be a decent map.

The desert map, havent played it loads, but seems okay-ish. I don't like desert maps, except goldrush which is one of my favorites. I think we have enough desert like maps already to pick from(karsiah, oasis, the new one from that french mapper, battery etc).

Overall all maps are nice to play pub on! I would only select one/two out of the first three I gave feedback on. Hope my stuff is of any use (A).

GL definatly hoping to see some of these maps back in Ladders or atleast a testing cup(onedaycup or w/e with teams from different levels, dont care about highskillsuperstars cause they will just whine about not knowing all the trick on each map and loosing cause of it...)

played 3on3 on pirates and tounine, and imo the best is tounine :) but the last axis spaw has problems, it's too easy to spawnkill :/


Pirates needs cp spawn, and the last axis spawn is really too far from the truck...

I think the rough CP location on pirates and the truck location should be swapped around - with the new CP location bringing a forward spawn for allies.

this would make the new truck location better placed to defend against, as generally if axis has a 6-7 second fullspawn when allies get docs, they will win no matter what because of the current truck location.

Would be great to see some show matches on it.

Frozen
It's the worst one. The ice ground is shit idea, please. Axis can camp @ underground cave so easily. Objectives are not hard. Basic mapping.

Jungle
Haha, it might be good, but for jaymod. I played something like this 3 years ago @ nq, alot of fun. But seriously, spawntimes - kidding? Objectives, hmm, there are only two or three ones. Took the flag, steal documents, bring them to pontoon(?). Same like Frozen, basic mapping.

Castle
First stage is, hmm, trickjumping stage? It's not hard to take the flag when allies got decent trickjumpers. Second stage is similar to radar. Side underground way is fucked up tbh. One axis can camp @ cp and it wouldn't got build. I don't really like those objectives standing behind main gate. They should be in some house imo. Yeah, it's better than two ones above, but it doesn't suit into competition.

Pirates
Decent map. First, remove windows @ 2 middle towers or like /adeto said/ remove right tower's window and make a 'sideroute'. Add forward spawn for allies. And the streets are very narrow, easy to camp. Hmm, nothing else to add. Decent map.

Tounine
Best map. BEEEEEESTESTESTEST. I didn't see the controls/transmitter where i bring those documents @ minimap/map. Nothing else to add. Best map for competition.

I hope my feedback will help you @ editing maps.

Regards.

Okay so yesterday we played a real 5v5 agaisnt someone on irc and this is what i have to say.

Pirates first part is way 2 hard took us 6 mins to get flag and we had a sick lineup.
And spawntimes are way to short it was really mission impossible for both teams. The rest is perfect i love that map.

Tounine is the kind of map wich is really good already and doesnt need much more.

Frozen doesnt really need that first part i think or should change it a bit cause it will be chaotic at flags.

at jungle there needs to be a side way that can be destroyed and constructed. something like braundorf side. and some of the grass has to be removed, cant see shit through it.

pirates is nice.

Anyone tried midnight_b2 yet?

pirates

1st
looks like its now very hard to defend (not attack anymore) as the allies spawn is directly in front of the main battle area

...more critizism to come...

Any idea how mappers shall upload map as Seanza account seems disabled ?

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I want to thanks all of You who gave valuable suggestions to improve my TM_JUNGLE map:
+ fixed spawntime (it was 5sec as i used during developing, then forgot to fix it in Beta1 :(
+ rebuild all spawns
+ add side corridor to let axis easier return stolen document
MD5: 90c9fe904186b58c79f276945ced5754 *tm_jungle_b2.pk3

Received the maps, will be releasing a post tomorrow about them.

what a pity

with all due respect, some maps are probably ready for competition, but noone has even tried to play them. It's a shame that the interest in them is that low and a later deadline especially after LAN will not change that (imo)

Maybe people just don't want/feel the need for a new map?

just play railgun, fueldump and oasis

Nice how the mappers put all that effort in for those attending the LAN only to have the majority of those players not bother testing the maps and then have the audacity to turn around and say we don't want to play any of them come the final deadline.

Pirates Final realsed & source
http://www.splashdamage.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29617