EZBASH. Think with us!
Good morning Crossfire users,
Some time ago TosspoT presented the possibility for us Crossfire users to get involved. There was the opportunity to be the 'supervisor' of the EZBASH project. This project will be powered by Crossfire.
Now powered by Crossfire doesn't just mean financial-wise or coverage-wise. It's also the Crossfire Community that should power the EZBASH project. Therefore we are getting back to the roots asking for suggestions. After all, the game is played by you.
So if you have any ideas for EZBASH features, post them here.
Thanks in advance.
EZBASH Site
Some time ago TosspoT presented the possibility for us Crossfire users to get involved. There was the opportunity to be the 'supervisor' of the EZBASH project. This project will be powered by Crossfire.
Now powered by Crossfire doesn't just mean financial-wise or coverage-wise. It's also the Crossfire Community that should power the EZBASH project. Therefore we are getting back to the roots asking for suggestions. After all, the game is played by you.
So if you have any ideas for EZBASH features, post them here.
Thanks in advance.
EZBASH Site
Reserved for when i can think properly!
Edit: Oh and first
Weren't the suggestions already given in a thread by TosspoT? At least the same was asked there. I wrote up some ideas there.
And make crossfire ET configs
but dont overdo it with cups imho
that's just ridiculous...
1 - Anti-cheat :
Any form of cheating should be punished with a lifetime ban. There are different things how you can get this up.
1.1 : If you got some decent coders (maybe tAla can do it), who can code an active searching ip-checker. Once he found an ip that matches to a previous banned account, instant ban.
Furthermore, you should make a stream to all servers with all the banned IPs (with reason cheating ofc). When the server gets the ip connecting , kickban of it. (I guess this should be possible, since I think eZbash is smth like CB ?)
2 : Cups lans:
2.1 Enough cups, but not too much (ok, this isnt smart to tell since #et-cup will organise also ET:QW cups, however I think, if we dont get financial support , most of the teams will play on eZb.) Too much cups influence the prestige of the tournament + give money for the cupwinner (active scene, with a competive spirit)
2.2 : Organise quakecon-thingys and get it too Europe (since the biggest talents will be found in Europe, atleast if it is like in ET). Once again get a decent money-pot (100000 euro's maybe?)
2.3: Online-tournaments: BEST OF THE BEST[/b]
If possible, the best teams can sign-up, and play for the money they had to pay at the sign-up. (I thought to have seen such a project on gtv)
Cuprules should be the same at lan rules.
3. config
3.1: Imo, the config should force the rate and maxpackets to the same level. If the polaks want to compete some of them will have to buy decent inet.
3.2: No id if this will work : get in the config it should force eg. xs_tracker 1 or smth like that, so people who use a bot, can be traced. When you get financialy supported, it should be nP to buy an ET:QW bot and code a bot with a changing ip, who is constantly able to check the tracker and compare the names, ips, guids (integrated yawn). Once you get a person his guid for like 343 times (just saying smth) when he and a unknown friend were on the server. You got a bust.
4. Coverage:
4.1 A closer coorporeation with www.gamestv.org (should be np since tosspot is admin overthere ass well.)
4.2 Only cast the most important matches, so people have smth to look forward to. Dont get it like in ET, with CwG (with all the respect for them) guys playing against low-.
5. Media
5.1 Maybe a competion for the best moviemaker? A poll with pre-selected movies, where the eZbash users can vote on? Dunno, maybe a bnc for a whole year or 25 euro, it is your call.
6. Rules
6.1: Get the balls to get decent referees, who are fuly back-upped by your team. If someone has very suspicious actions (not 1 ofc), or where can be shown he is using wh. Just remove him from the cup.
6.2: Don't get too much different ladders, 2 will be enough and give every month a reward or smth for the guys who are on the first place (---> competion).
THE MOST IMPORTANT FOR THE ADMINS: BE A NON-ARROGANT PERSON (hi² sol) AND LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY, GET IN TOUCH WITH THEM AND PLAY THE GAME AS WELL.[/u]
This were my first thoughts
Th only serious flawed thing I want to reply upon. Using this won't decrease the amount of cheaters in ET. Don't work with lifetime bans for every cheat in a free game where you can come back faster than I snap my fingers. In a free game like ET you have to ban players for certain amount of time so people will "look forward" to that date. If you ban them for life, they will just make a new account cos they know they that the worst what could happen is they get caught again. And when they get caught again, they just make another account, etc.
Ofcourse, when you ban for a limited period you will also have that effect, but on a much smaller base imo.
Lets compare some things : COD II , ET and MoH:AA.
For Mohaa and COD II, you had to pay, and they have an anti-cheat system. Though , when I played Mohaa, you could easily get a by-pass for your cheats (so no effect). ²nd: I got some friends playing COD II, where are still quite alot of cheaters who use a CODIIBot (where is the effect, it kinda seems like pb gives their updates first of all to that pansemuckl before they release it.)
gl
(Sorry, I've just finished to read this thread carefully, i'm bit late to answer)
Zero tolerance is a must. Though its hard to draw a line. The "zero tolerance" nowadays isn't zero tolerance anymore. But on the other hand banning people who quit "cheating" (like testing one on a pub) and are clearly clean should deserve a 2nd chance. (see my arguments above)
A public ban should be increased to atleast a year, imo 2 years. Clanwars - doesn't matter its a prac or offi - should get a lifetime ban. That includes cheating in other leagues. You have to make the rules so people should be "scared" to test a hack.
TosspoT says he knows a guy who can make a program which closes all programs except ET and ventrilo/ts2, right? (or something like that) This may sound like a stupid rule (it prolly is but atleast it makes it harder for cheaters :p) suspected cheaters (or everyone, but I think there will be to much contra's) have to run that program. Though I don't know how we gonna check they have it on :X
And pls, if a guy knows his friend hacks and still plays with him, ban him too pls. He's an accomplice. Dont be so fucking stupid to play with cheaters. When cheaters are banned there are several ways to come back, but their worst punishment is being ignored. You don't have to be a psychologist to know that everyone needs attention, some guys more than others. So they'll soon get tired of being ignored and /quit.
That is a program, which you have to dll and let it run. The server has to do it as well.
When everyone has it on: it says: Online nr : Scanned nr Unscanned nr
If the value of unscanned is 0 < then you have smth who isnt using it, and who will get kicked by the server.
Atleast, that is what i remember of my mohaa adventure.
Secondly to get dmw you need to register on their site, which is nowadays impossible with free e-mails. This is because there were to manny cheaters coming back. Which is a good thing imo. Don't think you'll waste your time trying to get your parents another e-mail just because you got busted cheating...
Annyways. DMW is a good tool. Got some nice ingame features as well. But there are many people that have problems. I for example cannot get scanned for some reason on the servers. (Talking about MOHAA here) and others are just unalbe to get into the site.
So I'd think again about DMW before starting to level it up as THE program ;)
it's not a personal attack or something ;)
http://nic-nac-project.de/~talex/et-ace/
http://www.xfire.be/?x=forum&mode=item&id=7848
This is absolute bullshit.
So I always have to close IRC, xfire, MSN, a music program, etc. when I want to play a war? That's just fuckin insane. I bet there are tons of players that never will accept this.
Second of all, you should only use it in offi's ofc. I doubt you listen to music when you're playing an offi. If you do, then you're just stupid. But I don't really understand why you would use other programs in a war. Are you seriously going to chat, listen to music, check journals at xfire in the middle of the war? Please...
If you gonna use that tool, you have to let everyone use it. Everyone suspicious lol... Today is everyone suspicious because those kiddies can't cope wit the fact somebody kills them.
Only in offi's, so you can let people still cheat as much as they want on public server and scrimm wars. How's that gonna help the community at all? There are more players who cheat on pubs and in funscrimms then in officials, that's for sure.
xfire is not crossfire, xfire is a chatprogram as well. Anyway, I always have my MSN and xfire on, just as my IRC is always on. And I'll refuse to play in a League where it's obliged to close that stuff.
I'm saying atleast suspected cheaters should use it. They are given the benefit of the doubt and that's wrong. But we can't ban them either. I think this program gives a nice alternative.
I prefer everyone to use it, but like I said that would result in to much people against it. I know "contra's" isn't really english, but you dutch-speaking-boy should understand what it means.
Well the most lamest thing to do is cheat in an offi. I know it sucks people cheat in a scrim, but it's not as important as on an offi. Most people, including me, run chatprograms while playing a prac or pub. I wouldn't want to close it because it isn't so important to win. Every now and then I chat between maps. But its totally useless in an offi. Besides, in a prac there aren't rules. You can kick your opponent any time you want, and there aren't admins who can solve problems... Of course, when people dont want to play the right config you kick 'em/leave. But I think there will be a lot people having the program disabled in a prac. So you'll have to kick way to many opponents if you want to play versus people who use it.
Basically using something like this would be forcing people who want to play competitve games into using applications you decide on and having to use Windows.
THIS IS CALLED A MONOPOLY.
It would force people into using software you decide, and plus not everyone runs windows. It's a dumb idea.
With dmw you were able to use xfire, msn, inet, winamp and mohaa, (might be more).
Do you see a linux version? I don't.
Also, read my point about the fact that not everyone uses Windows Messenger to talk on MSN, not everyone uses Winamp (well, nobody should use it :oD) and not everybody uses the same web browser.
This is not the way to go about stopping cheats, and yeah, I cheated, doesn't mean I don't care about competitive ET.
Its proved to work since its being used in mohaa.
I see more people liking the idea instead of hating it.
I'm sure someone can code a linux client for the program. Maybe it already exists. Maybe it doesn't have to be coded at all.
You should search the meaning of a monopoly in a dictionary.
What else do you do in an offi besides talking on vent/ts2 and playing ET? Nothing really imo so you'll hardly notice a difference. Ok it sucks you'll have to start up everything after the war but if you want to reduce cheaters you'll have to do an effort and dont be so lazy. If that's the reason then you're just another cheaterlove who likes to play with cheaters. I cant really see your point in your reply so enlighten me pls
Why so aggresive? I'm only giving my opinion, if you think my opinion sucks then tell me why, without flaming. If you cant do that without than I wont even bother discussing with you.
Anticheat is anticheat, it shouldnt limit you to using only allowed apps, and it sure as hell shouldnt force you into using certain applications.
There is also the minor disadvantages such as having to open applications again after you finished playing, and the other minor annoyance that this will be used outside of competition, probably in pracs and some pubs. I get very bored, so I usually have some interesting webpage on my second monitor for when I'm dead.
ps: as I understand it, it wouldn't work in linux without being run as root... so basically.. this way isn't supported on linux.
So basically you want freedom. You dont want to be restricted even if it doesn't make a difference (well it does for you since you have a 2nd monitor. Imo when you're dead you should use your time to think about breaching the opponents defense but k this is a bit offtopic) but you've got an interesting point there.
About the applications, well is it really that important to run such programs? You dont need it to play ET and if you do then its considered cheat imo. Or when a program is busy doing something, like C4D rendering then its shit idd, but C4D takes about 98% of your cpu while rendering and I cant find any examples where a program doesn't take a lot of cpu while doing something so it doesnt matter anyways (except if you want fps lag :x) And the situaties this does occur are seldom.
And who doesnt use vent/ts2 to talk with eachother? People who dont, should switch over because its populair for a reason.
For me it doesn't matter if it takes away freedom or not, since it doesn't make any difference. In an offi I dont chat, listen music nor browse webpages and with the program I still wont do that either. You obviously think the other way around and I cant really change that, now can I? You'll stick to your opinion and I to mine so I think its pretty useless to discuss about it.
Just one aspiring VOIP client, Vent will be dead when mumble goes mainstream.
Well then we just add it to the list? :L
Also there is more than one operating system.
The method you are describing would not work.
edit:
Where you can bring all the smaller cups together on one page.
I dont think there is a need for more ladders.
You can have random people that insert a 1daycup (for example) on the website they host it. Then you have the other people (registered with guid) that can participate.
With the xfire database I don't think many people will have to reregister for this.
On the main page of ezbash you have a list of upcomming cups, upcomming wars and played wars with the winners of the cups etc. and so on..
You can then add awards to the players profiles automaticly.
- sorry if this was allready discussed and rejected :)
imo when you put like all the admins/hosters of 1 day cups togehter you got yourself an admin team aswell.
but should you then like clanbase make same rules for all cups (but differenc ein 3v3/6v6) or should every cup keep some own specific rules?!
The cups can be organized by random people registered to the site. They will be the organizer and can decide what rules can be used.
Offcourse the ezbash team can decide wether a cup is not acceptable or some rules can be forced.
The page should offer an easy to use system to create a cup and manage it, brackets groups whatever.
And then as a player you take a look at the site see a cup you like and join in with your team.
- One European ladder where only top-8 or top-16 can enter for EZBash Eurocup, to keep ladders attractive and maintain a good ranking in terms of clans.
- Needs to link to CBID for tracking players. And ESL ID or something?
- A better site design
:P
How do you pronounce it out of interest, ex-Re-o?
think its what you said yeh, ex-re-o. or just pronounce the x as a k...
kreo ^^
My thoughts:
I would start with just one game. A new game. The logical candidate is Quake Wars. Wait until the final game is released. After 1-2 months start with a ‘test’ tournament. Gather some of the top players and together come up with a rule set. My expectation is that a lot needs to be improved to make the game better for competition. With the thoughts and the support of some of the top player this will be a lot easier. They have played the game the most so will know which aspects of the game should be improved. They are the front runners of any game; their support will do wonders.
When a rules are made a test competition should be started. A tournament consisting of 16 teams. This will show how the new rules turn out in competition. Afterwards (or even during) some things can be tweaked. This tournament will decide what the real competition will look like. My suggestion is to start a competition for only the top clans. The exact number of clans can be 16, 32 or even 64. At the same time I would totally neglect Clanbase and what they are doing. Don’t emulate but progress. Let Clanbase and others follow this competition (or not, who cares?).
The competition itself. Anyone remember the Barrysworld Rtcw Summer Cup? I really liked how that was setup. No groups. Instead rank the teams (you can even integrate this with powerrankings) and give seeds. A single (or double depends on the number of teams) elimination tournament. One map played per week; best out of three. This ensures teams don’t play the same map over and over again but they can focus entirely on one map for a week (or whatever period). Easy to find someone to scrim and after that week they can focus on a new map. Ensures all competition maps are given equal attention and that no map gets overplayed straight from the start. In the beginning it also makes sure every team knows multiple maps so there aren’t any ‘1 map wonder teams’.
The real goal should be to integrate EZbash with CDC. Online tournaments don’t mean a thing. It has cheaters, different PC’s, different connections etc. Real competition should take place on LAN. So the final stages of the online tournament should take place at CDC. It will be beneficial for both the online tournament as the CDC. No more discussion what teams should be accepted to CDC. The best clans of Europe will be present (assuming they will come but 90% will if they are at that level). Teams with online only players (hello players from Holland and Poland) won’t win. It also gives more exposure to both competitions.
When the structure has proven to work for Quake Wars. All small errors have been ironed out you can think of expanding to other games. For those games I would do the same: Only the best x clans. Integration with CDC.
In the end I can’t stress this enough: Don’t emulate but dare to be different. Only then it is possible to surpass others. Which is extremely possible since they often have many flaws and seem to be locked in. Don’t expect anything new and refreshing from them.
It depends on ezbash what they want for a system, the old system is confidential, works and you'll prolly have a succes. (In this case you dont neglect CB, but instead learn from their mistakes). Barryworld's system has to be tested first, its risky but its different from other organisations and that's pretty important (like you stated). I would defenitely see it tested but that's just me. Or ezbash could just invent a totally new system.
I totally agree with top players' support and ezbash integrating with CDC
hi evan!
make a big news about it...i mean only a few even knows about it
i just found it out yesterday :D
Also please change something about the layout of the site. it's not bad but it doesn't looks user friendly (zomg!!!), looks a bit like clanbase. make it less dark or something i don't know it really doesn't look professional in my point of view of course!
so ppl can choose only to play against registered players, even in pracs?
(ofc xfire/ezbash should compare IP's creating/uploading pbguids/etkeys to avoid "fake-accounts" as much as possible)
dno just a suggestion?
im not talking about giving your etkey away, im talking about forcing the users to stick to ONE pbguid...
plz
etpro guids on the other hand are hardware bound and are thereby "easy" to spoof... and will change on specific hardware upgrades.
if the players at ezbash always have and always will have the same pbguid/etkey, and only allowed on the servers with a registered pbguid - only registered players can play on servers with this setup... and all ip cross referencing (or whatever) can be done on the registered users (server side @ ezbash)...
hope it gives sense... its kinda late