5on5?

by smOke • 5 Sep 2007, 23:38 • Forums › Enemy Territory
Hey,
first of all I want to beg you everyone - dont panic, stay calm and be happy.

I have been thinking about history and flames about 5on5 vs 6on6 battle in W:ET history and finally I have realized I was totally wrong in my opinion on that. It was my biggest mistake and I feel really bad that in that time I have no experiences and clues about that and was blind to the facts. But nobody can turn back time so it is useless maybe, but I am still convinced that never is too late so I am creating this topic just for your opinions and point of view to 5on5 format in W:ET.

Year ago I was hot supporter of 6on6 and unfortunattely had no ideas why people want 5on5. Now about year ago after very hard work infiltrating eSport grounds I have experienced and understand all that positives and wanna ask you all for your opinions, but please dont flame or post wnb ironic or funny spamm.

If you have chance and have real datas that in that format you will be able to promote W:ET in your country, have cups with prizes, maybe LAN finals of cups and in future own LAN with sponzors, will you try it even if it all is more possible in 5on5 format?

I have played 5on5 many times last moth with my clan to test it and learn by my own if it is such bad for our game and I was scared because I really like it. But I know! Please dont tell me anybody its too late, W:ET is dead, or that I am crazy freak. I wanna ask those players and teams which will stay with W:ET till the end, which wanna reach something in that game even if the community will be much smaller.

Quote by TosspoTSo, you want 5on5? You want something else? Go run a cup, run a credible cup with the neccessary coverage


http://www.crossfire.nu/?x=column&mode=item&id=23

I have read all articles about that big flame in W:ET history and wanna give 5on5 a try by creating cups etc. Who will be interested will play, who not wont care - I think best solution and if I will succeed and thanks to it attract our czech eSport subjects and partnersI hope that at least here at cze we will be playing, casting, spectating ETTV and enjoying W:ET cups and LANs 4ever ;)

Whats your opinion ET player and lover? Positives - negatives? Should we give a try again? ok posts like "that will kill ET" is expected but I dont think so. Maybe I described it all wrong and you dont even understand what I wanna say, but hope somebody will be able to give me some opinions and ideas that I need to clear my mind :)

And I wanna know if Splodge is still CB 5on5 supervisor and if its any chance to get involved in it.

I wanna know, am I doing something wrong if I try to run 5on5 cups and motivate teams at least in our country to play it coz we have chance to have better support? And question is, if we succeed what to do when EU scene dont provide enough 5on5 cups etc - 5on5 CB is quite inactive but I think better coverage and motivation to teams and we can see how it can work. Maybe prizes for most matches per moths such as mousepads, t-shirts thats possible to get to "dead" game imo.

Have a nice night and yes ich bin not gut englisch :P

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Spirea 6 Sep 2007, 00:52
Personally I might like 5on5 more because I hate spam, but I think we gave it a big enough shot, which didn't proove to be worth it... 6on6 is just the way to go
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 01:01
But for example - if it will be 5on5 cup with prizes it will be motivation and way to grow that factor needed by teams to stay togehter and reach something? I dont mean TOP clans etc, but thats very specific group not very large imo. I mean it in way - W:ET review with download link to Et Ultimate installer, some fragmovies and 5on5 cup with ETTV and cast. That only things I can do for promoting in our country and I am convinced that if teams will sign for that 5on5 cup and love to play, we can prepare motivation to new players who can say "wow great game, great ovies, all free, great cup, shoutcasting, coverage, stats, ETTV, lets give it a try its better chance in this than in CoD2 or CS:S" - but thats only my idea, I am sure majority will judge this to failure, but I wanna give it last big shot.
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hex4 6 Sep 2007, 01:02
i really doubt we gave it enough chance :s

6o6 is classic but as you said, less spam is better indeed
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decem 6 Sep 2007, 08:06
spam is way more crucial in 5on5, therefor you cant say less spam.
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Spirea 6 Sep 2007, 13:41
true but at least there are less spammers!
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decem 6 Sep 2007, 13:45
thats not really valid. spam becomes a lot more important factor in the game.
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Spirea 6 Sep 2007, 14:27
maybe the config should be changed as well, less mines and longer reloading times for rifle and panzer
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cuttyP 6 Sep 2007, 14:33
you don't take my rifle away from me >:(
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Spirea 6 Sep 2007, 16:01
I wish I could :(
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decem 6 Sep 2007, 14:42
would make the game boring and dull, we have 3on3 for that.
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Spirea 6 Sep 2007, 16:01
I think spam is boring
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decem 7 Sep 2007, 00:34
spam is, but taking away the variety in the game makes it dull.
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Spirea 7 Sep 2007, 01:16
I vouched for 6on6, so it's not me who is trying to change something in here :p
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decem 7 Sep 2007, 09:20
yeah well this is for everyone else reading this aswell.
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danL 6 Sep 2007, 12:31
I played a lot of 5on5 cups and officials, never noticed there was less spam, somehow it seemed there was actually more of it

and I hate 5on5
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teente 25 Sep 2007, 14:08
3 mines max, no mg, remove nades from medics, max 2 fops. But 5v5 sucks balls... no 6 men airstrikes.
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Adacore 6 Sep 2007, 01:01
Paragraphs > all ;)
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 01:01
sorry, I will try to fix that messy text :)
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Adacore 6 Sep 2007, 01:06
<3
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 01:50
and your opinion? :)
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crook 6 Sep 2007, 01:02
yeah i agree that 5on5 is more fun due to the less spam, but the problems is that most clans dont want to drop members i guess. And that people are so used to play 6on6
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 01:07
I have realized that 5on5 is better simply when I managed to have W:ET sections in our famous cze mgc like eSuba, cZklan, NR and problems with activity started to appear. We dont have 6th, we cant train, we were in 5 but 6th didnt come so today no war etc. And if you ask me - yes, I think that 6th player on both sides can save at least 20% time in match and in organizing trainings etc. Less people less possibilities to wc, being drunekn at pub, stay at work, PC problems etc. But its just my opinion what do you think about time issues and better organizins trainings and wars in 5on5?
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slajdan 6 Sep 2007, 01:29
Most clans have 1 or more backup players.
It all depends on what kind of clan you are talking about and how motivated/serious/mature the players are.
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 01:31
I understand, but what can I do with it? Some clans have many backups, some clans are not clans coz they cant find 6th who is active etc. I am talking about "new beggining" because old players lost their mtoivation months later and our only chance is young quite unknown players which can follow oldschoolers footsteps and now after 4years finnaly reach something in W:ET such as prizes in cups, LANs etc you know.
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Yossarian 6 Sep 2007, 01:11
the only point in favor to 5on5 that i see now, is because of release of one crappy game people will leave et, so maintaining 5 man team would be slighty easier

but 6on6 is more fun, so whatever
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 01:19
I am not afraidof that leavers, yes many players will follow masses and play any game which is "new, cool, whatever" but we all know that the spirit of our game is in atmosphere and genius gameplay. Yes yes everybody will spam and CHEATERS hahaha lol ET DEAD bibuy, but we have solutions, pbguid auth system, people working in their free time to create soft blocking that stuff etc. If there will be still enough people and true fans the game will never die believe me. And I am not trying to keep alive dead game, I will follow continuation of this series RTCW, W:ET, but there is no game that can be called like this. RTCW2 ... but you know. I will pay everything for W:ET 2 - same gamestyle, just improved grafics and new features but same style as we are all accustomed to and love. But unfortunatelly it will never happen and I dont know why. Thats the same I used to love Ultima Online and play it for 4-5years and expected UO2.
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Yossarian 6 Sep 2007, 02:46
image: ark5b118w8qzeroky
nevar happened btw :D
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 03:38
nic pic, but I wanna discuss :) And its not about changing world, only give small chance a try
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barney- 6 Sep 2007, 04:54
Less members by team, more teams, save ET :D
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slajdan 6 Sep 2007, 10:57
Big chances are that the 6th will drop the game instead, let's say that 50% of the players decide to stay with the game, that would create like ~10 new teams, and ~90% would probably be 2 weeks with non working chemistry.
And lets think about the rifle, every clan needs a rifle so the rifle wouldn't probably be the kicked player and I don't think there are many cless rifles atm.
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 11:29
But many people start playing rifle as "new start" you know, If I have been playing 3years medic and know have chance to reach something and new teams appear I will focus on rifle! ;)
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barney- 6 Sep 2007, 16:00
Well, indeed i didnt think about the rifle problem. Now maybe you're right about the fact that the 6th player of the team will drop the game and not find another team but its the most pessimist possibility.
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ZeD 6 Sep 2007, 06:07
5on5 for sho =)
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xety 6 Sep 2007, 07:14
after thinking some times about it, the idea didnt sound THAT bad.
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 11:34
I feel it same and thats why I try to share it with crossfire :)
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Arachon 6 Sep 2007, 07:15
I love playing 5on5 and I still don't get it why people like 6on6 over 5on5. To me there are many positive things about 5on5 compared to 6on6:

- Less spam.
- Easier to make a team (yes, I've been annoyed, having to spam people in order to get a 6th).
- The flow of the game is better, IMO.

I am all in for the 5on5 :)
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decem 6 Sep 2007, 08:07
spam is way more crucial in 5on5, therefor you cant say less spam.
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 11:41
You think exactly as me! (yes, I've been annoyed, having to spam people in order to get a 6th) - that took me hours! :) So if it will be chance to run EU cup you will help? Coz I wanna know if it would have at least some support to be able not compete only in our country but in EU as well.
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Arachon 6 Sep 2007, 17:56
Me personally?
No.
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stileh 6 Sep 2007, 08:52
i dont really care if its 5on5 or 6on6 as long you can get a game :P
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ENSJQM 6 Sep 2007, 08:53
it's too late to save this game
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 11:30
no its not :)
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ENSJQM 6 Sep 2007, 14:09
it is
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 14:16
Ok tell me something about that.
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ENSJQM 6 Sep 2007, 14:20
There are no clans anymore
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 14:57
Hmm I really like to discuss with you about that, but you have no arguments, no clans? Are you blind? Not funny imo
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ENSJQM 6 Sep 2007, 14:59
well, look cpc signups, like 3 real clans with mercs and 17 mixes or medskilled 'fillers'

it takes 15-45 min to find a decent 6on6 enemy
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 15:18
and? man wake up, I wnat do thing that can make new top teams etc, old players leave, new can fill their places.
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Donutsthe2 6 Sep 2007, 09:38
5o5 > 6o6 imo
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 11:48
So who like it lets play it, CB giving us ladder but activity is very low. So everybody can prove your words by joining and playing :)
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Donutsthe2 6 Sep 2007, 12:27
if you want to make a mix
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 12:31
I really want to have plenty of time just to playing, but its not that easy :( So ask here at forum and make a new top team! ;)
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Donutsthe2 6 Sep 2007, 12:59
nah I dont got that many time anymore to play ET :(
it sucks tbh
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 13:00
same to me :( so maybe help organizing? ;)
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cheasy 6 Sep 2007, 10:26
column imo
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 12:03
I will be thinking about that, and your opinion? :)
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cheasy 6 Sep 2007, 17:51
I prefer 6v6 over 5v5 atm but i'm willing to give it a chance :)
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 20:32
thats only we want, try it and in association with promotion and management get more support.
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RoXoR 6 Sep 2007, 10:31
i would prefer 5o5 if there will be changes because like decem said
Quotespam is way more crucial in 5on5

therefore the config shall be changed to
-one arty/airstrike per 0.5 minute
-one rifle shot with full charge

then i would prefer playing 5o5
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Iron 6 Sep 2007, 10:46
why not to remove rifle and arty/airstrikes then? just make ET smg-only! would be c00l.
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RoXoR 6 Sep 2007, 10:57
sarcasm detected
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 11:35
ofc no more crazy changes, maybe only panzer ;)
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jonzi 25 Sep 2007, 13:54
YEAH lets play RtCW!

but 5on5 sounds good
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 11:45
I dont really think this cganges will be needed. As I have said - I have been playing 5on5 for month with my clan to test it and it was absolutely ok and I enjoed it and dont see any problems in gameplay cfg etc.
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walle 6 Sep 2007, 10:38
5on5 isnt bad but thats not the way ET should be played. 6on6 > *
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 11:38
As I have read everything about RTCW - W:ET format and history, as somebody wrote - 8on8 - 7on7 - 6on6 - so why not 5on5, when CoD 2 and CS is played in that format, so eSport events and subject are supporting that format and I am still talking about thing that when I have managed to get something from everybody envolved in eSport for W:ET that format will help - less players, more tome, teams, players. Its based on facts and experiences, if not I will not even care about changing format.
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walle 6 Sep 2007, 11:58
5on5 was tested and it was not accepted.. there is no reason why it should be tried again.. big eSports event wont support ET if it was 6on6 or 5on5.. especially now when ETQW is rolling on (even if its dead already)

ET on LANs has always been mixes, and newly formed teams and top teams needing to take 'mercs'. I dont say that is bad but there has never been tournament where teams would be playing as they have been praccing online and I dont personally like that. For me ET has been just about online-play as the most important thing and LANs are the second. Its funny see again after cdc, how many teams will fold and how many will keep on playing.. there a spike in the activity now but i think its only for cdc, and after ET will be as dead as it have been some time already.
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 12:02
I am respecting your opinion and as I have said, I am talking to W:ET players and fans not people who are changing their game just because its fucking brand new and they can buy new PC and own somebody easily. So dont say Et will be dead or that ET is dead already - I am 100% sure the good core will stay and can count 1+1 when there is chance for W:ET. Smaller community better community imo.
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Fraggle 6 Sep 2007, 17:32
but @ 5on5 there is less chance of someone who cant play at a lan or cup due to inactivity.. because you have 2 players less.. 16% less risk that some1 leaves :P
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smOke 7 Sep 2007, 03:46
yes thats easy maths I am talking about :)
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Iron 6 Sep 2007, 10:40
no. it would be useless to change it now. noone wants to reduce anything anyways, so 5o5 would just make everything worse.
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 11:33
Thx for idea, I am 100% sure many people dont want, but I am not talking about global changing and forcing... people always decide.
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danL 6 Sep 2007, 12:32
people have already decided if you haven't noticed, why do you think CB gave up on 5on5
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 12:45
Because there exist people like me that dont have informations etc during that par of history and know are on another side. But you are right, because nobody support that format, no cups, no motivation etc. If you rwead carefully everything what I have said you noticed that thats exactly what I want to do and thanks to support of teams give W:ET more attention at least at cze.
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danL 6 Sep 2007, 12:51
sry, but cba to read yet another 5on5 thread
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 13:13
np thx all of you for giving me feedback :)
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ratZillA 6 Sep 2007, 10:55
fk off with this 5o5 shit... et will die soon anyway
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 11:31
no, but if players like you stop playing never mind :)
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Nicole 6 Sep 2007, 11:17
oki my sentece is 5on5 is better than 6on6!
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 11:31
thx that you are so kind :)
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CPU 6 Sep 2007, 11:27
3on6 high pm
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defOK 6 Sep 2007, 11:39
I'd give it a go!
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 11:51
dont you think "give it a try"? :)
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danL 6 Sep 2007, 12:31
here we go again...
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 12:46
no again, no forcing, no flaming, just trying slowly if there will be enough people who will help to test it and see results.
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danL 6 Sep 2007, 12:52
how is it no again? it has been discussed dozens of times already, and the result is visible, all you do is repeat everything that has been said before, everything has been tested already, you haven't said anything new or given new arguments, it's just bla
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 12:59
take it easy man, is something wrong about that? You judge all forum posts here by their information value and what new they bring? I think that this topic is not annoying anyone, just sharing opinions on as you said old thing. But I have read articles, collums etc so I think that I have right to post it here.
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danL 6 Sep 2007, 13:04
you are trying to revive something that hasn't worked before, so I expect you to give us reasons or new arguments why to do so

otherwise it's just posting for the sake of posting
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 13:10
I gave you reasons! Read it again. Maybe I dont wanna people say "yes or no" just for my information. I am already prepared to test it and see how it can help me with W:ET promotion. I would like to see some people who are involved in same small W:ET community in other country to cooperate, share experiences and unite for bigger ifluence. Is there anybody?
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danL 6 Sep 2007, 13:15
I meant new reasons, LAN support and such stuff have been used before also, guess what, it didn't help
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 13:24
Ok BUT tell me who really try to meet partners, sponzors, have prepared materieals and try to involved eSport subjects etc in profesional way as people do in CoD2,CS:S or even Trackmania etc. If somebody did it and fail I would like to speak with him and I am telling you that if you have support of community and mostly active and dedicated teams nad players, you have power to attract partners coz they wanna have their name in LAN name, in CUP name, in each coverage news, in radio, at´servers and ETTV and if you are able to prepare materials, facts and you have power (read active teams and players on paper) I am 100% sure they give you chance. Yes chance, nobody can expect something like "ok we will play 5on5 for week, hmm there is no LAN and prizes , fuck off". We should be all VERY thankfull for chance fo W:ET and we must prove ourself and our ideas by running cups with as many teams as possible but great organized with coverage etc. I think EuroCup etc dont have coverage as it deserves etc and thats why W:ET is not so atractive, if we wanna success we must find people dedicated to wirte news, reports, interviews during cup and make it attractive. If you do that in tic-tac-toe you should succeed aswell its not about game its about people and their attitude believe me.
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danL 6 Sep 2007, 13:26
you're living in a dream world :x
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 13:29
No I dont! If I dont have experiences in that I will never even dare to say that! Ok I have plans and during year all my plans are almost real, so I atm believe more that everything is possible when you do it right and work for that hard. Its same in real world. You wanna be succesfull business man? You can, everybody can.
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.X.!__ 6 Sep 2007, 12:45
NO I DON'T LIKE YOUR OPINION :(
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 12:47
Dont be sad, many people - many opinions. But thanks to discussion we all can help each other understand issues etc not only in that forum but in global :)
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Deactivated5924 6 Sep 2007, 13:07
i wouldn't be against 5on5 at all specially if it would improve lan support, etc.
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 13:12
Yes as I have said to danL, if I can cooperate with some other dedicated guy in some small W:ET community like slovenia? slovakia? hungary? austria? etc it will be very usefull.
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Roskis 6 Sep 2007, 13:24
Stop ideas like this. ET is dead
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smOke 7 Sep 2007, 13:44
Quote by RoskisI just tried to annoy you, and I think that I did succeed :D tbh, ET is having the most activiest times now! gl with your 5v5 project. I liked 5v5 and I still do like it, but nobody really wants to play 5v5.


I deleted our offtopic branch to keep it clean here.
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Kito 6 Sep 2007, 13:27
mhm imo it makes no sense to change. I know it hurts but et=dead :(
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 13:31
Its only theoretic, and yes if YOU EVERYBODY stop playing that game, it is over, but is that really going to happen? I know at least 50-100 people who dont.
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Kito 6 Sep 2007, 13:35
me personally dont think that et is dead but to much ppl's are saying such things....
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 13:39
And? If everybody say "dont eat meat" and you just love that you will whine and stop eat that? Man! You got the power! (c) http://crossfire.nu/?x=column&mode=item&id=237, if you let it go yes, but are we all powerless loosers? I dont thnik so! Everybody can help and I think there are many people here who have contacts, experiences or jobs and are not afraid to do something for their free time activity and hobby - W:ET.
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 13:34
I would like to ask you all - this is not topic "Is W:ET dead?". So everybody save your time and if you really think that is fact why are you reading crossfire, why are you even caring about that topic? If I were you I would just leave that community site to people who love that game and play it and start my new carrier in community sites of my new game, isnt that best attitude?
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 13:52
I have found great answer to issue of "6th player will be sad and quit in stable clan" thing.

Quote by CS4fiAnd that 6th player could help a lot in finding the best 5on5 tactic, because you could send him/her everywhere, you could test which positions could be stronger, how could be your 5on5 team better, you need just check the game from a different point of view.


And that leads to idea of coaching! I really like that you?

Quote by MashedYes there is the argument that one is not necessary but at some point people will wish for an extra pair of eyes/mind to be there. I personally tihnk it is a really great idea, gives a good image and shows the gaming world as more of a sport (coaches being in real life sports such as basketball/rugby/soccer) and maybe we should allow the system here in Europe.


http://crossfire.nu/?x=journal&mode=item&id=13542
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ScaTmaN 6 Sep 2007, 13:56
U cant change now ... its to much and to late now , you can strart playing 5on5 @ RTCW2 , but RTCW and ET is to old to change the sythem , but i like to play 5on5 , easy wars , more action to defend and yeah im rifle so i can own :p
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 14:07
Pls dont tell me something cant change, is not true and I am not talking about whole world! All that stuff is opinions of me - noname czech W:ET lover and guy who see future and have real facts from eSport subjects here about supporting games etc. So if you say that you like that style, will you play cup with you team if it will happen? Thats the point, nothing else.
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friokir 6 Sep 2007, 13:58
6o6 is a near perfect format. when my clan plays 5o5 it leaves gaps in the tax, for example at grush (with basic tax) you usually have a medic @ the old cp covering mainly side and one medic either under the palmtree or at the corner of the sideway looking towards the gate, when you play 5o5 one medic is missing there, cause you have to have a fop to cover everythging (side, gate, backup at the backway), rifle somewhere at the side, a medic covering the back and an engy on the tank. so you only have 2 medics and only one near the side area (and even one of those medics gets killed = big trouble), it's much easier to overrun a 5o5 defence, because a concentrated push towards a certain point is much more likely to succeed when the defence can't cover all of the routes that easily anymore. and in frost you can only have one guy at the back or when you have 2 at the back the cp has less etc. and it's the same with most of the maps. only b4 and adler = half decent 5o5 maps, especially the last stages.
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 14:13
Thats your opipin and thx for that, but as I personally played 5on5 many times at goldrush, supply, b4, almost whole maplist. Everything works fine and even more smooth than 6on6, positions were clear etc. And as for goldrush imo - rifle 2mines at back and checking main, back, side and aiming to places his teamates tell they see enemy - thats what rifle do mainly all, for example braundorf - one medic with rifle to revive and covering main aswell, one at side cheking and telling rifle and guy at corner as you said behind boxes who is fops. And this fops covering mainly main with engy planting mines at tank so pretty nice defence imo when you are stable team and have possitions and defensive variants in your mind :)
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friokir 6 Sep 2007, 15:04
yeh, I know that it can be done, but the main flaw will still be that concentrated attacks penetrate the defence too easily, that's not the case in b4 or adlernest or sd's 1st stage, but think of radar or bremen and the 2nd stage of sd (basic tax again) you have 3 or 4 at the cp area, 2 medics and a fop the 3rd medic is either at the stone near the cp gate or at the stone near the tunnel to cover the rifle and then you have a 2nd fop at the centre tower. in 5o5 it would be best to lose the 3rd medics position, but by doing that you can't backup the rifle or the medic at the cp gate, so a concentrated attack at the gate would be more likely to succeed, at the same time when you take away a medic from the cp the fop will be in trouble in case he dies, the medic at the cp gate could go and revive him, but that would leave a gap at the centre. losing the cp is almost as bad as having a tnt planted at the gate, so it's a lose-lose situation and it would be more about lucky timing. see what I mean? 6o6 covers the whole map to a certain extent and it is till remains competitive and fast-paced, 5o5 is playable and if somebody would organize tournaments etc then we could see if people would like to play it at a competetive level, but I think we would need some new maps for it (b4, adler and karsiah are fine).
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smOke 7 Sep 2007, 03:48
and thats all another + argument, it create new point of tax as It has been mentioned year ago
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Roach 25 Sep 2007, 16:00
radar is by far the worst map with 5on5 imo
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destiny 6 Sep 2007, 14:04
1000$ on 6on6!
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 14:08
easy money! ;) and one more time, I am not talking about changing format, forcing teams etc. its just idea you understand?
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J 6 Sep 2007, 14:26
You really seem to have motivationand free time enough for project like this.

Well, I can play ET in 5on5 format, I did do that back then and I can do it again. If people think that ET is dead, ain't some radical changes good and may give a kick for a teams to play again.

There are plenty of people doing separate things in blowing some life to dying game. You should unite and help the game together. (shoutcasters, that tic tac coding group making the anti-cheat tool, some good supervisors, coverage writers and organizers) With the aid of tosspot (he will surely help with something new), you could make koth -styled ladder with real prices for different achievements, not just for the top team.(and they surely have enough gameservers allreay)

Good luck for your try, do not give up but at the same time, listen community. People will follow you if you have something to gain their interest.

(smaller, dedicated community would be actually a real good thing)
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Matias 6 Sep 2007, 15:33
we should play 5on5 Last man standing IMO!!!
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smOke 6 Sep 2007, 20:43
:) I think stopwathc is da best. So your opinion? :)
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Zodiac 6 Sep 2007, 15:35
No bad idea imo, I have no arguments for either 6on6 or 5on5.
But I don't think there is much difference, only thing is that its fewer people in a clan, which could be - and maybe is - a good thing.
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Phemon 6 Sep 2007, 16:41
5on5 all the way , fuck 6on6
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smOke 7 Sep 2007, 14:04
So if it will be chance you will support it?
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Phemon 7 Sep 2007, 16:35
wauw good reading einstein
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Fraggle 6 Sep 2007, 17:34
nice replying to everyone who posts here.. not a bad idea..
also 1 player less in the lineup.. so less chance that some1 cant play or leaves..

It is more easy to get 5 man together instead of 6.. remember a lots of time we got 5 man and cant find a 6th
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smOke 7 Sep 2007, 14:14
thx, wanna more people can check this forum :)
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smOke 7 Sep 2007, 03:33
irony? I am thinking about delete this almost flame offtopic branch what do you think? :)
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Roskis 7 Sep 2007, 11:54
Well if you think this topic really helps 5v5 to rise up again, keep it.
Otherwise it's useless tbh
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Splodge 9 Sep 2007, 16:34
I enjoy playing both 5o5 and 6o6's however I do think that 5o5 does offer something new and wasn't really given much of a chance when the community last tried it.
We relied on 2 or 3 teams playing a show cup to decide if it was good, meaning that not all teams gave it a fair try. Then we had the fiasco with Clanbase changing to 5o5 then back to 6o6 which didn't really give 5o5 a good name in that respect.

I see lots of comments about how it is too late to change ET, but with the new anti-cheat system in development there is no reason why the life of ET cant be prolonged after the release of ETQW. I think the majority of people here know that ET is something unique in terms of gameplay, something fun and enjoyable to both watch and play, which many new games dont even come close to.

I think 5o5 might be a nice move and would be beneficial if MGC's were going to support more ET Squads . Either way, the new Clanbase Seasons are coming soon so if the community wanted 5o5 to be featured there then we would need to be quick to get it all in place. If people decided they didnt want it featured in clanbase and could support 5o5 alternative cups (for example how the World Cup took the NC's place this season) then so be it.
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smOke 25 Sep 2007, 13:47
So trying to update this forum by my journal. For me its importnat that we run 5on5 cup before CDC3 and you can check how many teams signed up and who won:

http://teamplay.doupe.cz/cup/genesis/

So I think if I can cooperate with someone who has same point of view and operating at small W:ET community in any country, we can run cups together and see what happens. I was very happy and surprised by number of "new" clans and players in our first 5on5 tryout so I would like to hear opinions from you.
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slajdan 25 Sep 2007, 14:18
Are you trying to do this because of that your own country would benefit from it (your country don't have that much players and it is very seldom that you can find an decent english speaking CZE player, therefore you prefer to stick together rather than go international) or do you realy think it would benefit ET as a whole?
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smOke 25 Sep 2007, 14:22
Quoteit is very seldom that you can find an english speaking CZE player

What are you trying to tell me? That CZE players cant speak english or what?

I think whole W:ET can benefit from it because community gets smaller due quiters and ET:QW so we can have new fresh breeze into W:ET and promote it in profesional way by cups with coverage and casts etc. Trust me W:ET still gto power. But as I said many times before I only try to discuss it with players who wanna continue playing W:ET in competitive lvl.

And if it will be working only here its bad? Its bad to keep W:ET alive by some actions, cups and promotion? Be honest and answer. I think isnt NOT bad and ANY activity is GOOD for the game.
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slajdan 25 Sep 2007, 14:27
There are more CB signups than there was the last seasons, sure it might be getting smaller, but it is in such a pace that the game could live about 10 more years even if you cut out the flow of new players both comming from outside and from other mods/pubs.

The only plus I can see is for sponsors/sponsoring and minority countries like yours.

* Im kinda saying that is the reason why CZE stick together, yes.
* Splitting a community wouldn't realy be good, last time CB forced a 5on5 on us we lost many players due to losing motivation(getting kicked from their 6on6 clan) and some staying there and going inactive.
* There are already 5on5 cups every once in a while, but they are not very liked.
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smOke 25 Sep 2007, 14:31
I maybe understand you and believe me I dont want to SPLIT anything. W:ET can live in 6on6 format too. I just try to ask players, W:ET is 4years old. New motivation and format can be something that can break "stereotype" and feelings of players who played W:ET for ages. But I dont want to change anything if it will be working in standart format. But activities, cups with coverage etc is still needed I think. When I show W:ET movies like Zaigon or mAx 3 etc to others - 50% was surprised and want to test it.

QuoteThere are already 5on5 cups every once in a while, but they are not very liked.


And thats the reason! You need dedicated people no matter what game we are taliing about. If you do it with passion and love you can even make LAN with DOOM1 with sponzors believe me, the only thing thats important to have people who organize it, and give players chance to play and so sponzors etc can see how good the game is and how good is the community and coverage.
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slajdan 25 Sep 2007, 14:38
Well, I don't realy mind about playing 5on5 except that it would mean fewer to frag. If it would be changed to 5on5, then there should also be some serious cutback on the spamm.

Almost every player that have played for more than a year have played 5on5 atleast once, and I'd say that most aint positive to it.

Are you are trying to force something that has already failed greatly once?
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smOke 25 Sep 2007, 14:40
Ok, maybe I am doing this for no reason... I should take a break :( thx for your point of view and opinions man
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bl1zzardx 25 Sep 2007, 15:42
ok i read half of the comments, to be honest with you i thought the same. From my point of view, ET only needs some new things - like 5on5 and a punch of new maps for those 5on5... ty for your ambition and botehrs smoke
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smOke 26 Sep 2007, 00:43
thx, nice to hear that.
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Roach 25 Sep 2007, 16:05
5on5 failed and the community hates it just get over it.
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smOke 26 Sep 2007, 00:44
Tell me some 5on5 cups with covergae or prizes, LANs played 5on5 was successfull so comon!
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