That is ET is full of cheaters lately cannot be a surprise to the most of us. It’s daring to say that almost 50% of the players has ever used cheats or anything related to cheating, but I’m quite convinced it’s the truth. That we can’t really stop cheating should be clear by now. If u check the forum topic’s at crossfire u see dozens of thread about hackers. So stopping them is impossible, and I even have a lot of respect for people like bulldog and rfiki who keep on trying, although I believe they also know they’ll never be able to stop cheaters(correct me if I’m wrong guys).
So as I said stopping the cheaters is no option. But the big problem nowadays is that nobody really cares anymore if they are playing with a cheater or if they aren’t and that is the proof that it’s really going wrong with the attitude of the community towards cheaters. A few days ago I was looking for a 3on3 and there was a team with silent (he was caught for cheats). So I confront the player looking for a war with the fact that he is playing with an cheater.
02(stormG|away02)there was proof, he was caught
02(aux`wEAK02)ye for some random public hack months ago
02(aux`wEAK02) i dont give a shit
02(aux`wEAK02) tbh
02(aux`wEAK02):-(
02(stormG|away02)n1 attitude
This is when it really starts to go wrong. Why shouldn’t u hack if nobody cares anymore and everyone keeps playing with u. Hell, it’s even a motivation to start hacking. Hack away lads, we’ll one keep playing with u since we don’t give a shit if you use hax or if u don’t.
If u see a new team arise and u see that they got a player like danone in their line up you start to wonder. Agreed there is no 100% solid proof danone haxes , but let’s be honest it’s quite difficult to bust someone with private hax and have solid proof. Shouldwe give suspected cheaters the benefit of the doubt. The community clearly does but I for one think we shouldn’t give them the benefit of the doubt . A player like silent should get a permanent ban. He knew the consequences before he started using cheats, he knew what could happen and he has to carry the full responsibility for his cheatings, meaning a ban. The real problem is what to with players who play very suspicious but without a proof. You can’t just ban then if there is not a single proof, cf. danone. Of course it is very subjective judging a player. Some players will say there is nothing weird about danone others are convinced he haxes. But let’s be honest his “danonic ip and his not being able to come to cpc2” are the two factors to decide will I put this person under the haxers or won’t I. The same goes for rocky. Let’s be honest this guy is clearly on-line only. And it’s up to the community to decide what on-line only means. The problem is that people make a wrong interpretation of on-line only. Yes u smart crossfire reader out there u know what I’m talking about on-line only is just another word for cheater.
So what can we do. Well I think we evolved to far, the players mentality has been influenced that hard that it’s impossible to start using a zero-tolerance . Also that clan members keep defending their own teammates when it is obvious they hack. People just close their eyes and act like nothing has happened.
What disappoints me the most is the fact that teams like myLegend take in someone of which it is pretty obvious something is fishy. Those teams should set examples and say no to players who are suspicious but then again this only proofs my point.
Cheating has become a part of this game. People don’t care anymore and even agree with the fact that players cheated and minimize the behavior of them. So if u really want to start doing something about cheaters u should start with the non-cheaters their mentality.
Of course this was a very subjective opinion and I hope no one blames me for my opinion and this is not meant to insult any players or whatsoever.
Thanks for your time
So as I said stopping the cheaters is no option. But the big problem nowadays is that nobody really cares anymore if they are playing with a cheater or if they aren’t and that is the proof that it’s really going wrong with the attitude of the community towards cheaters. A few days ago I was looking for a 3on3 and there was a team with silent (he was caught for cheats). So I confront the player looking for a war with the fact that he is playing with an cheater.
02(stormG|away02)there was proof, he was caught
02(aux`wEAK02)ye for some random public hack months ago
02(aux`wEAK02) i dont give a shit
02(aux`wEAK02) tbh
02(aux`wEAK02):-(
02(stormG|away02)n1 attitude
This is when it really starts to go wrong. Why shouldn’t u hack if nobody cares anymore and everyone keeps playing with u. Hell, it’s even a motivation to start hacking. Hack away lads, we’ll one keep playing with u since we don’t give a shit if you use hax or if u don’t.
If u see a new team arise and u see that they got a player like danone in their line up you start to wonder. Agreed there is no 100% solid proof danone haxes , but let’s be honest it’s quite difficult to bust someone with private hax and have solid proof. Shouldwe give suspected cheaters the benefit of the doubt. The community clearly does but I for one think we shouldn’t give them the benefit of the doubt . A player like silent should get a permanent ban. He knew the consequences before he started using cheats, he knew what could happen and he has to carry the full responsibility for his cheatings, meaning a ban. The real problem is what to with players who play very suspicious but without a proof. You can’t just ban then if there is not a single proof, cf. danone. Of course it is very subjective judging a player. Some players will say there is nothing weird about danone others are convinced he haxes. But let’s be honest his “danonic ip and his not being able to come to cpc2” are the two factors to decide will I put this person under the haxers or won’t I. The same goes for rocky. Let’s be honest this guy is clearly on-line only. And it’s up to the community to decide what on-line only means. The problem is that people make a wrong interpretation of on-line only. Yes u smart crossfire reader out there u know what I’m talking about on-line only is just another word for cheater.
So what can we do. Well I think we evolved to far, the players mentality has been influenced that hard that it’s impossible to start using a zero-tolerance . Also that clan members keep defending their own teammates when it is obvious they hack. People just close their eyes and act like nothing has happened.
What disappoints me the most is the fact that teams like myLegend take in someone of which it is pretty obvious something is fishy. Those teams should set examples and say no to players who are suspicious but then again this only proofs my point.
Cheating has become a part of this game. People don’t care anymore and even agree with the fact that players cheated and minimize the behavior of them. So if u really want to start doing something about cheaters u should start with the non-cheaters their mentality.
Of course this was a very subjective opinion and I hope no one blames me for my opinion and this is not meant to insult any players or whatsoever.
Thanks for your time
kinda sad that you use some part of a pm without the full story behind it.
i know that silent is clean since i've started playing with him, i dont care about some public hax months ago in this case, thats true.
i dont care anymore for hackers, because im playing with someone im sure that he aint hacking since i've been playing with him. haha.
smart xpaz.
http://www.punksbusted.com/cgi-bin/membership/ban.cgi?par=V0039C851&query=Search
http://yawn.be/findPlayer.yawn?nick=&pbGuid=e7ca4013beb0260b50c34a8535906efb&etproGuid=&gamecode=ET
http://www.wikiupload.com/download_page.php?id=176639
But really, I think nothing will convince you, I guess you just like playing with him while he cheats...
:(( <3 cihan
and if you are, you are known from such cases like that, and i dont know how about you, but i wouldnt want to be known the way you are atm :)
now shut the hell up.
plus i care wether im playing with cheaters or not, what makes me better person than you! :D
face it, its not about skill anymore. this column is about attitude of those pro players as well as those low/med/whatever players. ET is dying because of YOU :D
for me, you are as bad as the cheating guys out there. no difference. bibuy
/sarcasm off
i wont act friendly on people i totally dislike, that goes for the internet and everywhere else, too.
though, i said some stuff in these comments which were pretty much displaced, but if some random kid like stormG who basically kicks all opponents from the server who are better then him and his guys, is trying to damage my name - even i get pissed off.
eg, the part where maus is behind a rock priming a nade o.O
See now this is wrong, I don't care for him all that much. But the fact is, he paid and went to LAN. Regardless of a persons history or choices, if they make the effort to pay themselves to go to LAN when there is a 100% chance they will get nothing back (online only as you say) then that says something in my opinion.
Remove if u like arrogant prick
But thanks I'll remember this
I have interpreted this the arrogant way and then the words i have said are correct towards u, clearly u meant it otherwise. By this I apologise
=P
edit: cheaters = people with red triangles or otherwise obvious.
Before mAus went to CPC2 everyone suspected him of hacking, but he performed amazing at the CPC2, better than all the other players I might say. Maybe danone will surprise all of us at the CDC3 as well, however if he doesnt show up again he might lose all credibility he has.
I offered xxxx some money (Through crossfire) to code such a thing for ET, but I think he was too busy or something. If anyone of due reputation and ability is willing Crossfire will fund it (we cant pay the earth) and support it.
im not that into how a (private) hack works, but its all about hitboxes as far as i guess.
what about this?
i dunno if that mohaa tool runs on other OSs then windows.
but if not: since et is a multiplatform game, it will be very very hard to code such a tool, since there are so many different variants of alternative OSs...
and at least, a first step would be done against aimbotters and stuff.
Not to preach crossfires virtues, but if you read shakes' column we have the power as a site to make stuff like this happen for a positive as we are independent but large.
yes you did
I what, when?
huh?
I didn't whine about anyone cheating... but what has this got to do with my initial post?
bibuy
yours truly
biqq
Why not give him a chance to prove himself @cdc3?
If he owns at cdc3, and doesn't get busted for lan-cheating(which i doubt he would be able to, all eyes fixed on him looking for cheats i guess). Just because he has an off-normal aiming style doesn't mean he's cheating imo.
Other than that, it's annoying..
On efterlyst here the other day i /callvote kicked menace, who is a busted cheater. I said "busted cheater", right after i called the vote, but he wasn't kicked... Does people really want to play with busted cheaters? It's so lame..
When FiEND was on on the other hand, he sorted it out quickly after some PM-s.. kudos!
Open source game (ET) = More cheaters
Open source hacks (Nexus) = Even more cheaters.
*starts sherlocking*
j/k
- diO{: no man soz.. you cheat i ve read once on xfire.. you can get 2hs in a row with luger so often.. obvious aimbot
- abort{: btw i ve askin if you wanna play 3v3 with me!(#@[]@ wtf)
- diO{ : oohh.. yes sorry man... i think you are clear overall.. btw i never believe @ xfire trash posts!!
no one care if this guy or wonam hax @ public or anything like that :~<
just find a way to block the hacks :~<
you can send them an email :~>
FBI nabs :~< compare to what I said :~D
First of all (ok, it's been said a lot already), banning cheaters forever is (imo) not a good solution. Just like everybody said (mens0 for example), what if the cheater really felt the burn of his punishment (e.g. 1year ban from CB) and wouldn't ever want to cheat again? I know, you can't believe him just on his word, but you can at least give him a second chance. If he cheats after that, you can still ban him permanently.
Secondly, reading through the first lines of your column, you say we can't stop cheating. But that way you ignore the entire point of your column (or one of them): The attitude. I'm certain that, if people's attitude would change, if they would really detest cheating with their whole heart, cheaters would be a lot more excluded from playing after they had been busted. So it's not the cheating we have to change, we (the community) need a change of attitude first.
Also, the danone example isn't 100% solid. You can never be entirely sure of him hacking or whatever. Things may be fishy, strange vids have been posted already, his IP might change 10 times per week, but that STILL isn't enough. I mean, when you're playing at such a high level as his, being constantly watched (now even more because of the accusations), it's really hard to actually cheat, it might be easier for him not to cheat, since otherwise he'd have to constantly think "omg isn't this too obvious for those 100 ppl speccing me".
About the not coming to LAN thingy, I don't know what he or his team gave as a reasoning, so I can't really say much about that. But if it's simply impossible for him to go to the LAN, how can that be suspiscious? Again, I don't know his reasoning, so correct me if I'm wrong.
In whole, your points are absolutely right, and since this is a subjective column (you said so yourself), this is nothing more than my subjective response.
THEM
FOR
LIFE!
i cant realy care less yeah there are cheaters out there and yeah sometimes i play with them but hey i nearly have to play every second 3on3 against cheaters so i stopped caring around 1/2 year ago :o
oh i forgot the mention that i dont care when my opponent hacks as far as they dont do it too obvious :]
ET = DEAD ! :<
HAHA
i have proved nothing u little cunt.
kid
moron
and say hello to kanoob when you see him!
Assume 80% is clean and 20% are (ex) cheaters. Just refuse to ever play with someone who is (suspected of) cheating. Preferable also refuse to play opponents with known cheaters. Even if Clanbase allows them to play, don't. Fuck Clanbase. This can make it possible to get rid of cheating.
Also read the comment of Mr. Saw. It's a hard measure but that ought to remove 98% of the cheaters. In the end people will always find a way to cheat. However, such programs are bound to be more successful then Punkbuster which is just a farce.
This would have worked out fine back in 2003 or 2004, but some of the new players in the game... well they don't care about something like this.
Only play players you know then :p. It used to be so simple!
[18:02] <cadre\lettu> i dont mind
nice going lettu! not to forget that he currently plays with one busted cheater (chmpp) and one suspected cheater (MulSu) in the same clan!
its good enough for me that theres not any or many cheaters in top clans TLR, dignitas, evolve, impact etc.
If you have to prac for the EC because you have to play against TLR, evolve,... and you search a war on irc. And the opponent is clearly hacking so there goes your prac and your time... You rly don't care? :P
playing against cheaters can be better than not playing at all or playing not-so-good opponents
BU-HUU! :(
its like playing against better players imo.
I stopped with ET cause it was quite boring to play against such guys even in clanwars.
i'd rather play 1 good and funny war per week than playing those retarded kids again and again.
they got more attention then the nr.1 CS:S clan
every little experienced inet users knows the ways how to use proxys, proxys ingame etc, spoofing guids, making clean pbss or fake pbss with some gray background saying "its because of my config..", using some other peoples guids + dynamic IPs etc - impossible to ban someone there are always other ways...
because everyone can come back with a new nick/guid/ip and say "hei i just came over from Battlefield to ET i really like ET and i played BF on a very high level, thats why i am so good in ET too" ...
and also imo that yawn has done more bad than good... ive seen cheaters using my own guid after i made pbss of them...
i have played so fucking much against cheaters in 3o3 and i am tired of tracing the cheaters or trying to bust them or whatever, just face the fact that they will be always in free-source games and no anti-cheat program can help it...
you GOT to give "them" benefit of the doubt since you aint 100% sure (proofs and stuff if "they" are cheaters). Just look at mAus - his case is the crown example that benefit of doubt should stay implemented.
I remember tons of journals where the guys wanted to hang him (or at least ban him). If you banned him then, and after a year we would know from somewhere that all the time he was clean... tell me how would your apologies look like? "I am fully sorry that I banned you, didnt allow you to play the game you love and i didnt allow you to go to CPC2 to own everybody, but you had to play jaymod instead or quit et at all. im sorry that i didnt allow you to play in TLR since you was banned when they needed 6th player after milk's departure. im sorry i made you feel angry and sad every time you woke up in your bed when you remided that you cant play et because you shot too many hs some time ago. im very sorry"? That way?
Thats why the benefit of the doubt is the fundamental law of the DEMOCRACY.
I just cant stand when i hear that some guy was in prison for 26 years and recently AFTER 26 years new evidence arrived, proving that he was INNOCENT and the system destroyed his life. please!
although i agree to rest of your column eventhough i didnt read it fully :D
so stop saying bullshit
Most ET-players play most of the time random pracs/3v3's/6v6's, which means that you can still play those same cheaters that were banned.
What I'm trying to say is that for most of the ET-players it doesn't matter if they get a CB-ban, only for those who play on that specific top level.
My advice is stupid but I'm sticking to it; just play with and against ppl you know in real life or that you know very well, it's the best solution IMO
to write a column about how silly this cheaters witch hunt has become would be more apropriate
realistically, there's been no real bust at all which involved a topskilled player. and before everyone jumps on top of me saying we are supposed to be protecting all those publicplayers who've just started playing this game: if, in any other given multiplayer game, people would be puting all of their spare time in to trying to catch random noname cheaters on random noname pubs they'd be able to find loads as well. as i said many times before, people in the ET community are pushing it too far, exagerating as if their live depends on it
I mean, since you say that there is no topplayers being caught (besides perfo, rocky, shy, keran etc.) we should not worry, but what about the shit loads of players from OC that has been caught?
Hacks are ruining the game in the way that everyone becomes suspecious and I do not think that anyone is exagerating since I stated that some might take this as serious as any amateur athelete.
But this is all pretty much just a matter of opinion and we can keep on arguing about it forever prolly and frankly i really dont give a damn so i cant be arsed to :-d
i've known weak for more than 4 years now. i surely know he hates cheaters (and others alot more). he never had any extra tools (hax).. he always played alot, trained to get better.
and then you guys think he symphatises cheaters?
weak was bored, has offered himself as merc. and this silent dude prolly asked him.. it was just for some fëckin 3on3. . j4f ..
he might not know silent for that long, so if he see's silent being clean since 2005, then you can't piti him..
i bet alot of here already have played with still active cheaters and they even know about it.. so why dissin weak? ..
about the other situation...
well, as alot have already said, it's hard to completly get ridof cheaters. ..
but there should be a way to get rid of them in competitive gaming. like some already mentioned... an external tool and for leagues an extra cvar so that you don't need the tool if u wanna go pub.. but then again, it's not hard bypassing the external tool checks if the tool would be simple..
what we'd need is a system which isn't easy to get rid of, like this new punkbustera.exe/punkbusterb.exe ... a cheatcoder would have to bypass different checks.. i doubt cheatcoders would put that much work into their hacks..
there are alot of ways to get this done, but i only know theoreticly about this, i can't code, though :( ..
invent a new anti-cheat software by now :o).
or 2, or 3,
or a totally new game..
If u play with suspicious/busted guys u r ruining ur reputation as i expirienced and theres nothin u can do against.
oops already done :o
8*
This column is pure CRAP!
Stop whining to wEAK, who cares if he plays with a hacker?
Actually, who cares if anyone is hacking?
This is a freeware crappy game.
Chaplja knew this 1:
ET_IS_DEAD.
If youre fucked up to hacking, start hacking. so stfu gtfo noobs.