I need a hero, I’m holding out for a hero ‘til the end of the night, He’s gotta be strong ,And he’s gotta be fast, And he’s gotta be fresh from the fight. Enough Bonnie Tyler for the time being, however I do need a hero, I need someone or some team or something to get those juices flowing once again!
My playing days are most likely very much behind me, however casting cracking match is just as good as playing in one for my money. Where is that next cracking match going to come from? The winter of discontent may just have set in as the clouds loom and the matches drown in a rain of insignificance. The sunshine will return however is this going to be the coldest winter yet?
With the mass transition of players from game to game and the testing period that this winter has become many teams and players have ceased to exist. In ET Dignitas and TLR for example lost parts of their roster to Quakewars with other players moving into other lineups. In Call of Duty the game on a competitive level has collapsed awaiting Call of Duty 4 and in Quakewars the teams are so fresh and the matches still lack competitive legitimacy that every game becomes just the same as those before it. Perhaps the avid spectator should just...go outside?
This week I was desperate to cast a Eurocup ET match and I looked through the offerings on GamesTV.org with dismay. The match of the week was MoD vs Impact and a little part of me died when I looked at that MoD roster alongside the words 'game of the week'. Their Clanbase roster is even worse than the lineup they fielded on GamesTV. I'm no Columbo when it comes to cheat busting, but I've seen those names tarnished with the cheating brush or alongside cheaters FAR to often to care about a match with them in and that was supposedly the most exciting offering from ET this week.
So I look to Quakewars and whilst I may still cast the I32 qualifiers, but I know that this stage of competition is not worth anything in prestige. Activision have poured money into Quakewars competitions online and in a competitive sense, its all for nothing from a competitive point of view. In 2 years time the winner of the 4000 Euro opencup or 3000 pound iseries competition wont be reflected upon as a hero. If you need any further example of this, then look at the legacy of ET or Call of Duty and ask yourself did the early champions have the legitimacy that today’s kings do? No, they don’t is the general answer. Whilst there may be exceptions and there isn’t always proof, the general concept is that competitive gameplay evolves to better upon the first generation of tactics. Remember in RTCW when we used to defend in the war room on beach for example?
With Call of Duty 4 poised to be modded out of its designed format and Quakewars going through the same phase its hard to predict where the next big match is going to come from. Perhaps it will be TLR vs Impact in Eurocup ET, perhaps it will be the first knockout stage of next seasons Quakewars Eurocup or maybe it'll be that first Dignitas vs Speedlink game played in a standard Call of Duty format. Until then must I sit and be bored?
Perhaps we on Crossfire are a victim of ET's competitive success? After years of excellent coverage and celebrities being born, bread and eventually shot down do we now demand a level of prestige attached with any match - prestige which cannot be attained in the early months of a games competitive development.
I always used to say, coverage is king - But what happens when nobody warrants the crown?
My playing days are most likely very much behind me, however casting cracking match is just as good as playing in one for my money. Where is that next cracking match going to come from? The winter of discontent may just have set in as the clouds loom and the matches drown in a rain of insignificance. The sunshine will return however is this going to be the coldest winter yet?
With the mass transition of players from game to game and the testing period that this winter has become many teams and players have ceased to exist. In ET Dignitas and TLR for example lost parts of their roster to Quakewars with other players moving into other lineups. In Call of Duty the game on a competitive level has collapsed awaiting Call of Duty 4 and in Quakewars the teams are so fresh and the matches still lack competitive legitimacy that every game becomes just the same as those before it. Perhaps the avid spectator should just...go outside?
This week I was desperate to cast a Eurocup ET match and I looked through the offerings on GamesTV.org with dismay. The match of the week was MoD vs Impact and a little part of me died when I looked at that MoD roster alongside the words 'game of the week'. Their Clanbase roster is even worse than the lineup they fielded on GamesTV. I'm no Columbo when it comes to cheat busting, but I've seen those names tarnished with the cheating brush or alongside cheaters FAR to often to care about a match with them in and that was supposedly the most exciting offering from ET this week.
So I look to Quakewars and whilst I may still cast the I32 qualifiers, but I know that this stage of competition is not worth anything in prestige. Activision have poured money into Quakewars competitions online and in a competitive sense, its all for nothing from a competitive point of view. In 2 years time the winner of the 4000 Euro opencup or 3000 pound iseries competition wont be reflected upon as a hero. If you need any further example of this, then look at the legacy of ET or Call of Duty and ask yourself did the early champions have the legitimacy that today’s kings do? No, they don’t is the general answer. Whilst there may be exceptions and there isn’t always proof, the general concept is that competitive gameplay evolves to better upon the first generation of tactics. Remember in RTCW when we used to defend in the war room on beach for example?
With Call of Duty 4 poised to be modded out of its designed format and Quakewars going through the same phase its hard to predict where the next big match is going to come from. Perhaps it will be TLR vs Impact in Eurocup ET, perhaps it will be the first knockout stage of next seasons Quakewars Eurocup or maybe it'll be that first Dignitas vs Speedlink game played in a standard Call of Duty format. Until then must I sit and be bored?
Perhaps we on Crossfire are a victim of ET's competitive success? After years of excellent coverage and celebrities being born, bread and eventually shot down do we now demand a level of prestige attached with any match - prestige which cannot be attained in the early months of a games competitive development.
I always used to say, coverage is king - But what happens when nobody warrants the crown?
Not remotely relevant to the situation, but it seemed an appropriate quote :D
n1
and yes I think you are right. The last big matches of ET were on cdc3 imo :x
SP CANT GIVE AN IDEA IF YOU LIKE A GAME OF NOT!
its finished already:D
And Actually Sondac if 13th Legion manage to beat us, then point blank would go through I think, because they fullheld you on Volcano :D:D
I personally never liked ET, the people I played with kept me playing.
jk man, rofl
Maybe etpro should be renamed to etfun or something and it will get more players? :X
The games I have actually played actively are/were RtCW, cs 1.5 and a little bit 1.5/cs:s and ofcourse ET.
I love the cs kind of games because for example the cfg is pretty standard and not that many things can be changed. In ET I can change my drawgun, fov, pitch, tracers, hitsounds uhh.. etc?
It's not that people HAVE to change these settings, but it's allowed, so why not take a chance. Well, I noticed after all these years that if you start changing one thing, you start changing everything.
RtCW:
can be compared to ET, but RtCW was actually fun. Why am I not playing RtCW atm then, u may ask urself..? My answer: "Against who ? :D"
Atm I don't really enjoy playing cs 1.6 anymore, but this is because I haven't played for a long time. I was pretty active in this game and ye I liked it very much. No idea why, but it's just a complete game, no things to worry about.
Well, the point is: I never enjoyed ET, but playing together with the same guys for about 3 years gives some kind of friendship.
Niet nog meer van die kkmoeilijke vrage ron
cya
I've never played RTCW competitively but I would've loved to do it. Heck I think that a lot of people would've loved to play RTCW so I still dont understand why there isn't a scene-change of ET-ers going to RTCW. Ah well, just a dream-scenario I guess.
last good final was parodia vs u96d :P
i think that bremen is rly interesting and should be played more (engrish ?)
I don't think that radar brought any change to the gameplay as it's a standard map 0_o
And I agree that bremen is a really cool map but still it's arrival didn't change much - it's not the map that makes the community grow imo.
Oh maybe xfire would put up a contest of "best 3on3/6on6 map", set the time to 2 months(to make them hurry :P ) and set some cash prizes (the problem is - where this money would come from? ) and top 3 could be moved into official mappolls? A bit unreal but still an idea :D
totally agree about the bremen thing
So yes you'll have to wait imo (considering ET ofc, i have no opinion on the other games you mentioned :))
there are some players with nice aim there, why dosent one clan give one a chance in competition.
would increase comp and then they would tell they're pub buddys so on so forth.
what a vision: ETPro players stop flaming "etpub/gaymod n00bs" and the ET community is melting. :)
+hope to see some exiting things on ettv soon aswell
its only agame
the public et died with the help of the pb updates-PnkBstrB.exe as well as PnkBstrA.exe(i mean quality...messing up the fps)...my opinion
its simple...you cant play a game forever
Proof, prestige doesn't exist in ET and eSports.
that is why you cheated for it ?
I guess you are just a retard aka cheater then .
well its time to wake up and see that times change and the good old days will never come back....
Also it depends on how far back you mean by "good old days". :)
didn't mean "professional" or "esports" just the attitude towards the game. Only thing what is better is coverage. Hardly anything nowdays and it sucks
letz go out and enjoy the summer winter!!!
REVIVE RTCW! :D
edit : R.I.P RtCW:ET
About the intensity/excitment/close games in the scene I would refer to my post in the EC invite announcement. The fact that the skill level drops doesnt mean matches will be less interesting or exciting. Matches become less interesting and exciting once there is a significant difference in skill level, which is the case in the current EC ( groupstages at least imo ). I think the play-offs will be more interesting, but still a to big skill difference to cause real surprises. If, after this EC, the known high teams would drop out as well, I think the skill level would be on restoration tour.
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As you said, this time in competitive gaming is a bit slow because you are kind of in that transition period of old games dying and new games being born.
Making an analogy to your question of "What should the spectator do?" this is like a commercial break. He can choose to watch the commercials and spectate the low level matches, or he can wait for the show to return as these new games gain their competitive edges.
I feel a bit offended about your hard words againt MoD. No one can say that impact got an easy victory over us. Just in general, ET community has never been friendly to skilled newcomers. They always get accused of cheating, and surely won't get any respect from the oldschoolers.
I'm not an oldschooler myself, but not a newschooler anymore either, still I can give respect to "younger" players than me. For example team ND is skilled and could compete on EC level (although they didn't get even quali), I guess you, dear Tosspot, haven't even heard any of those names playing in it before, but that doesn't make them haxers. Nowadays ppl can play against better opponents and increase their skills faster.
So, maybe the "old beards" are moving to other games after getting bored, but still we should give the newcomers the chance to play on the top and give them respect for their skills. Maybe ET will die one day without LAN events or CB support, but I don't see that day coming any soon.
Remember, new gamers have been coming through for years and years, its just that in the past 18 months the new ones in ET have been coming through with a high percentage of cheaters also, because of that statistic older players are naturally cautious. I know this fact angers you because I've seen you post comments similar to this for sometime, all I can suggest is some anger management classes to get over it.
I understand people get bored of a game after playing it many years, but still I can't really understand them quitting because of the cheater hype. Maybe I'm just blind or the cheaters are not that good (kenta's aim is mechanic, but he is not aiming very well for being a cheater).
I am mature enough to hold my anger (which you seem to be exaggerating). Actually I'm just disappointed that you seem to feed the idea of ET being on the verge of dying. I understand if the game does not entertain you anymore, but nevertheless, don't kill it either.
As I said, I can understand you feel like that, but for most, you are the author that they will listen to and believe everything you say. For them you are feeding the image of the game dying.
i want a sticker!
im the example
Interresting maps or tournaments :S
For example last EC's, there has always been the dominant teams no doubt.. and this year there still is [impact,pro,tlr,j52] but its after these teams that the skill is lacking. Yes, we have cZar, GMPO, but besides not playing that seriously that is all there is. mod are without a doubt a decent team but one can only wonder about myth6s but forgetting the cheating scandals of the team, they are playing well and are in that 'top team' fold as well.
That is 7 good teams which should be enough to give a good EC but its just not the same. It could be that no one is ready or willing to put in the same amount of time as they used to, also the lacking of the Old TLR squad, dignitas always leaves a sense of emptiness, without wanting to sound arrogant also the polar team [ec winners :P]. There just isnt that sense of nostalgia anymore at all and that is what leaves the 'boring feeling' so to speak.
Then again... comparing groups to last year... there was the polar vs TLR game in the groups and img vs dignitas which served as the only exciting games which and also upsets. This group phase has already seen one thriller between Impact and mod, and hopefully another on monday when junk52 face czar. So technically speaking we are still on track with a similar routine to that of last EC, even tho it feels different. Im sure playoffs will give more exciting games as they always do.
Besides players leaving and clans folding, not the same amount of dedication is put in as before. I can speak for myself that I used to love the praccing I used to do before, for the past Eurocups knowing that i was praccing for a reason and with a goal. Now that that goal is reached, my eagerness is much less. Obviously i still enjoy a good laugh with the lads on comms whilst praccing but its not the same. Lets face it, some of us have been playing the same old game for 4+ years now, I'm one of them, so for some a change is needed and for others like me, im running of time to play as school takes its toll on me. After ET, I can't see myself playing any other game competitively on the same level as i did ET. I'll try some games, play a couple of times, odd clanwar with mates in whatever game but thats it, as the time for competitive game for me at least is coming to its end as my eagerness, willingness and enjoyment levels are just going down.
Sensible writeup toss
gj
/toxic
PS. Have fun reading this :P, i want some good replies
For praccing matter. ET is way too easy to play after you have learned your way to the top. There is no need to pracc 24/7 or try something uber tactics when you can play simple maps with simple tactics. Experienced players know how to play, no need to put more dedication to it than needed. Last season was refreshing because there was new maps and praccing them actually paid for team as it wasnt just 'sd-style of playing'.
But what i meant with the after-dominant clans is that they got worse, previous seasons had more teams on a good level after the top
couldnt find any 'unknowns' there either
And I could name more teams here, but I don't want to offend anyone. If u are interested in who, just let me know and I will pm u here with a list.
When saying they won OC div3 last season then how on earth can they play EC this season. I think it's the best thing this will be the last EC, because next year the OC div5 winners will get a direct invite because they'r stable or something.
But it's not only them, I can name more teams.
And no need to tell other names, we would just end up in same conversation.
so they are like team-beta or polewka that got to EC with lots of practise and team-play
btw, every EC there are mix teams that form only to get a quali
admit it
Not wanting to put your victory down, because I wanted you to win over pro5, but I felt it was finally time for team-nd/dmize/amenti/tlr to win a Eurocup.
Their win against Dignitas proved they were the best and had they had to play any other team bar pro5, I feel they would've been in the final without a doubt. Or had you had to play with sqzz in the winner bracket, I think they would've won.
XyLoS was the only one from your team who deserves to be remembered as a EC winner. It's not your fault that the timing was good, and you did win afterall so don't take this to heart since we both know I'm just a tlr fanboy anyway! ^^
personally i think we deserved the win as we worked hard, no doubt that TLR were due the EC win after their cpc2 victory but they failed to beat us twice so that at least proves that we were worthy winners in the end.
toss; the teams from cpc2 to EC were different as we had replaced kris and fobje. Would have been awesome if we could have placed higher but it was just not to be. If we are to do this TLR/amenti placed 4th at CPC1? [i could be mistaken], changes do change a team round completely.
The win means alot to me as i worked hard for it, went up from lowmed skill with mepa to winning EC in 18 months or so, which is a huge step to do pretty fast. Also I was the one making the decisions in polar and seeing that i pushed for the change of players the most, being that it was a very hard decision that could have turned both ways, being that it worked out, means alot to me. Till this day i regret taking in razz as he is quite a twat [as i guess most ppl will that that played with him], pity i was too hard-headed to listen to them, and being i was desperate for that type of player.
I think your team capitalized on the incompetence of clanbase and good timing of other teams who seemingly didn't care anymore. It's not a criticism of your team as such, it's just disappointing to see some of the players involved having the privilege of saying they won EC, when they don't rank anywhere close to past winners/teams.
Coming fourth at CPC1 is more of an achievement than fifth at CPC2, the overall skill of teams was better. But the dMize team in comparison to TLR was quite different.
Xylos is a true talent and deserves that EC win, so do the other members in the team [me,snoop,sqzz; no comment on razz... and perfo deserved it ;p]
Lets face it, everyone had problems this CB, Impact had the worst draw [dignitas then pro5] so were out immediately, we changed lineup during EC and had the perfo incident, pro5 had the keran/shy case, dignitas couldnt prac cos of senji's sickness or exams or smth. Saying we capitalized on CB's incompetence or other teams losing interested is appauling as we had our fair share of problems as well. TLR had no problems that EC but failed to impress [correct me if im wrong, my memory aint the best]
Quite honestly, the ranking is similar/same as at CPC1 only 'czar' [stormg rbnt and others playing] and T&F came below them with helix coming above them, team NL 3rd, SFX.lan 2nd, idle 1st. Whilst we had a handful of teams beneath but having our major competitors above us [dignitas/tlr/impact/vae], we had one bad game vs vae and payed for it really as we beat impact in a close game but kinda got raped on supply to tlr :P.
This LAN comparison was meant for toss not for you as he said we didnt do our EC win good at the lan before, where i used the lineup change as a reason and hence used tlr who also under-achieved at lan and went on to achieve something as an example :)
My post is subject to error [alot of error :D]
2nd EC
3rd EC [twice]
2nd Cadre Cup
1st Impact Cup
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4th CPC1
1st CPC2
1st CDC3
it wasnt an ANTI-TLR post at all. I was just stating that i was proud of having won that EC having beaten them...
The way TLR were playing during the time of CPC2 and at CPC2 was amazing, without doubt that was their peak. They had their peak at the right time and for a longer period, when we had ours at the wrong time and for a way shorter period :)
Clearly, they have alot more to show for it, but im happy i got the one thing to show :P
I'm arguing your EC win, saying it's hollow. Whereas no one can argue TLR's achievements. I did understand your post.
*hides*
Less germans and no ferus or night make cpc2 'worse'.
Clearly hacking! :P
You said you regret taking razz, and well other than changing history thats about all anyone can do. So now you've just got evan to deal with :P
i was a complete noname before, no rtcw history, from malta [wtf is malta?]. if i was known it was as a cb admin but thats it, thats why it means alot :P
at least someone understands :))
competitive history of rtcw
You'll notice around 2004/2005 the hacking. Then you'll notice the new teams etc the slow death.
Now equate this to et now. Oops.
ETQW and Cod will not give the same level of excitement as rtcw. They're just not the same sort of games. At least when rtcw was dying et was there as a poorly made crutch. Now there is nothing.
I guess most games follow a similar pattern: (development), introduction, growth, maturity and decline. Would be interesting to know, how much of the regular product life cycle theory could be applied to games...
Everyone should start playing that game again seriously..
But however there will be a few games i guess..
RTCW 2 WE NEED YOU
Is the source out for rtcw?
What games are there that have doc runs? It's jsut ctf that comes close isnt it?
It's an indefinite article (both a and an) which describe something (the noun) vague;
the car
a car
The reason why you were wrong is because, you use;
a (with nouns that begin with a consonant)
an (with nouns that start with vowels)
In this case, hero obviously begins with a consonant and that's why you were wrong. There are two exceptions to the rule (maybe more not sure).
Using an when the noun it precedes begins with 'h' mute sound, eg an hour, an honour.
Using a when the noun it precedes a 'you' sound, a university, a unit, a European
Hope this was helpful.
a hero - 'h' here is voiced/resonant [eHero]
but what about those who are both - players & movie makerz ?
as he has not been wasting it here.
Yes ET is long dead thanks to cheaters. People moved on to other games because it wont be over flowing with cheaters. Thank netcoders for that. They fucked everything up. Also the new games. CoD4 and ET:QW. People change. People like different things. Yeah ET may be dieing. How long has the game lasted? More than every other game I expect. Its a really old game. Perhaps people finally wanna try something new. To me, ET will always be #1. But to others it'll just be an old game full of cheaters.
Counterstrike: 19. June1999 --> Nowdays --> day X
like css, etc.
so u can not say cs1 is still alive
et is still the game that it was 4 years ago
so fcuking true ;[