EC/OC prize money ?

Nice!

Kamz + eujen saving ET

Sorry but won't happend.

Little quote for the lulz

"You buy cigarettes i buy BOT"

Idea is not bad. But so is communism. Won't work

good point mate, Ill donate!

Im not spending 10 euros for a free game

"In the next few days, some Crossfire admins will make a Poll to see if people would like to do this and are willing to spend 10 €. If we get more than 350 yes, then we could really start thinking about this idea in more detail."

A) I don't know which admin you convinced to help you
B) You're a fool if you go off the results of a poll for such a decision
C) What are you offering the teams that aren't likely to win something?

This has gotten to a point of utter retardedness.

Lets take your buddy Kamz as a perfect example, Kamz is never going to win Eurocup. He's been playing RTCW & ET for 10 years and he's never looked likely of winning a major tournament but each season he puts together a team for the fun of competition. What are you giving that level of player/team (of which they are the majority in EVERY division) that they don't already get from the free cup?

(I got a kamz dig in with a valid point, go me!)

Get a few sponsors, should not be hard.

nice idea eujen, but i highly doubt that there is a chance of that coming to reality!

I wish good luck with that but i dont think money (or lack of it) have anything to do with the success of ET. If you think you can bribe players to play, you're very wrong with that.

No.

Do you have any idea what I could get with 10 euro's!?

Do you have any idea what I could get with 10 euro's!?

Not every player is above 18 to be able to do online money transactions, so there's problem 1 already.
Problem 2, "skilled" people who would lose in their div would play in a lower div just to win a bit €.
Problem 3 what TosspoT said.

Ciao moldavian nerd

ps: my 6on6 cups will save ET

How about if every player contributes to the division he is himself playing? I am not against the common collection, but I highly doubt that some students playing lower leagues would give money away to higher divisions.

Needs some evolving, but count me in :)

Why should people pay for other guys to win (knowing they won't win obviously)?

Rather give this money to xreal guy and/or tzac or gtv guys for their great work toward the community.


edit: this is just retarded because it will keep feeding the "i play only because of cash" teams... i could name some but i won't intend to hurt anybody feelings so...GAMES are meant for fun, not for players that never play this game unless they can smell some money incoming.

You'd be hard-pressed to find people to donate even 10 euros considering the dire state of ET, and that's just concerning top players (I think we had this discussion on this site before actually).

Consider this: if I'm not mistaken most people on Crossfire want new people to start playing ET to spicen the community up a little bit with some new blood. Thing is: ET gets advertised as a FREE first person shooter in the style of Return to Castle Wolfenstein, a popular fps from back in't day. For this new blood to start competing (which is what Crossfire denizens ultimately want) they'll have to pay a 10$ seasonal fee with the prospects of them winning back a part of their investment nigh zero.

Imagine if you were in the new player's boots: would you invest 10 euro to play a season of ET, if you were lowest of the lowskilled and had installed the game 3 months prior? I myself surely wouldn't. If by chance I invested the 10 euros and it would give me some sort of ingame perk like a cool hat then maybe.

I admire your and other people's efforts, don't get me wrong. I just don't think the idea (as it is now!) is a step in the right direction.

e: Thomm's suggestion would be a lot better for starters. :D

This will NEVER WORK.

How about this:

Get a donate button to somewhere -> money goes into competition like EC or so, anyone who WANTS can donate to it, u cant just expect everyone to put money in ot ET, doesnt work. Some ppl want to -> donate if u want to.

like any pole could invest 10e, LoL

soz4ownage.

stupiest thing iv ever heard, srsly.

why whould ppl from lower division give their money to nerds like RELOAd or anyone else?

its totally pointless =D

just dont have words for it... maybe sponsor etxreal...

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problem solved.

I will never give money to some workless nerds who have the possibility of praccing every day and every night.

Haha!

Eujen, i like you, i liked (since i'm not nerding as much as before the summer i miss every shoutcast #@!%&) your shoutcast but are you trying to make a fool of everyone?

players would be like: ah we don't win anyway :/

and in ec there are mice and stuff anyway

In theory it might work, but in practice it's unlikely, especially since ET is a very, very old game with a small userbase.

The only advantage is that there are a few ET players nowadays (in the high scene) that are younger than 18.

people wanting me to pay for a free game.

let's donate for quakelive then i'd pracc hard.

The concept of pay-to-play leagues are perfectly fine. Putting them into practice is something which often causes difficulties.

It's a sticky situation with this game. One of the main benefits of ET is that it's free, but that benefit is actually a downfall in thi situation. Why? Because people who play free games tend not to invest their money to play it.

However, what you need to do, is flip it round a little bit. Instead of presenting this idea as a "if you pay X you could possibly win Y" because in reality, people who don't believe they have a chance to win back a much as they've investe will just say "lol, gtfo, not paying others to win." You could present it in such a way that it makes people realise they're not just throwing their money away, but they're actually investing it in their game's future.

If this game was to have a strong community who show they're willing to dip their hands into their pocket and part with a few £s, €s or $s every month, then it would turn this old, rusty wheel in to a shiny, well-oiled one. This, in turn makes it more actractive to investors/sponsors. They love coverage, that's what they're all about. And if people are putting their own money into the game, they will be more aware of providing great coverage which will lead to them promoting the game.

the 10euro price seems nice, too bad none will pay it

what about making one cup only with all the teams, with groups of 10 teams no more ec oc (none cares about oc, their is no post on cf who is winning who is loosing its like it doesnt exist), no money needed.

What makes players dreaming more than winning money ?

PLAYING VS THEIR IDOLS thats the point

no

im willing to give you 1 million dollar

gonna pay only if ET goes 6v6

why would I give my money to dignitas or anexis, they have sponsors already

Utopia, this would work there.

Not meaning to sound negative or dismissive. I like the fact that there are many people that care. But this just wouldn't work.

Actually this is a nice idea. But i see some massive difficulties in realizing this.

As a plenty of people already said before me, it will be hard to get this amount of willling-to-pay-players.
After reading i came up with some own thoughts which are mostly not new :D

at 1st you would need some sponsors, which are willing to put some money onto a/few competition/s (like this heatwave story :O) - even if they just put in 100 euros its more then enough to create a base from which you can evolve. Like goldfish listed there are even plenty of possible sponsors connected to crossfire itself.

2nd if we want to keep the game alive we need new players - simple sentence, sounds easier in theory as it is practically - O RLY? About this stuff there have been LOADS of ideas, discussions, arguments and whatever else. In my opinion a key to success would be advertising et more on other communities like cs1.6, css, cod4,5 ..., 2000, lol, hon, sc2 ... Of course dont forget all the other general e-sport sites like www.fragster.de , www.readmore.de ie.
I doubt that any competive player is interested in eyecandy graphics ... which is a chance for ET attract many people, its not looking utterly shit like 1.6 but its system requirements are still pretty low for todays average computers.

A major problem of et is the way how potential players are introduced to the game. I guess Feuersturms comic says more then enough about this issue.
What et needs are a few decent tutorials about:
- installing the game/get the game running (ultimate installer v2.x?)
- differences between 2.55 and 2.6b; explain mods and their unique settings
- important things to know for playing competitive 3on3/5on5 (spawntimes, selfkill, general timing, use of classes, maps, tzac, gamestv ...)
- competition formats like esl cb twl LANS ...
- ... surely there are more things which could be added, but i guess those are the most important ones for a start.

Now back to your idea. If u get some sponsors for ec/oc more people might be interested in paying 5-10€ for a cup where they have a chance to win. To win, that is the next problem, who will decide which team will play in which division to make the cup as fair as possible?
I also had the idea (which just came up randomly and im not sure if it makes any useful sense at all :?) Since there most likely wont be 400 individual 'yes we can' it might be smarter to just accept singups from TEAMS like its done for lans with paying the fees till day X. Also teams or players who dont wanna pay a thing, can also take part in that competition - in there own divisions without any money, just e-fame and some e-pocals. So maybe newbies can try themselves there without 'wasting' 10€ and see if they want to continue playing the game or not. So they maybe pay-in on the next challenge.

At last some critics which (i think) is important about our community itself. Most or even all of us got a huge misstrust against players which names we never ever heard before. We are still used to it from the past we had with pb and no pb. In my honest opinion since the outcome of slac i never played against an (at least) obvious cheaterfag. It seems slac/tzac with its silent detection is like the sword of damocles leviating over there heads and actions. If we want new faces in the game we have to give them a chance to be part of our 'oldschool' world and we have to open ourselves more to new talents...

e: if you spot grammar fails and typos, you can have them im not interested in them.

Who told you about this ideea?

welcome to 2007

changes need to be more simplistic than this, for instance, cf needs to become THE et site, and it needs to be clearer to ne players ho to donload slac etc

that was tried back when we sent a team to quakecon. the majorpart of the payment was done by a big sponsor back then, cause of lack of donations by the comunity. this wont work at all.

i would never ever ever give money to people i dont directly play against. Any unknown noob game tournament is run by your theory, even every crossfire lan since day 1. Every team pots a certain amount, the winner gets about 70%. Big advantage opposed to lan is not having much overhead, all the money potted goes to the players. disadvantage is finding a site, system and crowd to make this work. tbh i would just make GTV available for real money and go that way :)

i would give my money to either banga, seareal or galiathus.

just a bad idea, nothing to discuss here, rather then getting players to pay for playing (and im 100% sure they wont) try to get some sponsors for cups created outside CB/ESL. Start with coverage on other sites (tek9 or any bigger mgc site) and then get someone interested in supporting ET. Esports is all about the image and the visibility in medias (which has a proper name i bet). Start treating it like a marketing idea rather than community effort. Community will never help you when it comes to money :)

Not gonna work
People will think like this:
- No chance to see my money back
- Skilled playing lower divisions to get money
- Not everybody is "able" to send money

Not rly needed, I dont think anybody of the highskilled scene ever played EC purely for the prizes awarded to the winners.

What we need is a competition with prestige that will replace it now (and possible make it even better). Since EC was going downhill and was slowly becoming a joke.

Something hosted over CF would immediatly give it prestige, this combined with some good admins that won't take too much bullshit but still be reasonable could turn it into the perfect replacement for EC.

bullshit

Money is the biggest problem in the world and if you bring it to ET it will be a problem for ET.

It is just me, but I really do love / enjoy playing Enemy Territory after work / school. Just to sit down at night when no one is bothering me and start playing with people. It is not just playing and not caring about the objective or tactics. I do not really understand "mix" teams who search for a game and then do not even TRY to make the objective or have any sort of tactics. Tell me please Crossfire community.
Is it more fun to go around do 100000 damage and loose the game or more fun to make awesome tactics have epic battles where truck is 30centimeters away from reaching its point and gets hold by defending team? Not expecting any mature answer from this community. But this is what Enemy Territory is for me. A good match with nice people and skilled opponent. Not the fucking 200€ that somebody wins or anything else.

just play the game.

You could try to get some sponsors and instead of price money, they could give mousepads,mouses,keyboards etc. And they would be like low+/med skill tournaments so we could get some another good teams instead having just two good team. anexis and dignitas.

switch back to 6v6 first and try again! :)

Or we could fuck off with ET and just all play a choice of WoW, Albatross18 and MtG:Online. Sounds like a fucking good plan

If crossfire doesn't host a tournament/ladder soon et will be dead cause cb is just a joke.

because people that know they have no chance at winning are going to just give their money to dignitas :S

You might as well just fly to Estonia and give Night 10e before the first match

Now tell me why should people from 4th and fifth division give anything since they won't be able to win shit.

having players give money to be redistributed into prize money is not exactly what I would call "doing something for the ET".

this is not how good competitions and LANs works.

Well if you guys really need money to host cups, I can donate $10 000 but I need someone who I can trust and someone who I know.

only multigaming will go for it and maybe 5 clans.

Dear Eujen,

If you are going to charge people for a free game you have to give them something more than what you are currently offering.

I suggest arranging something with a game server hosting company.
As part of their entry fee the teams that enter get a game server and TS/vent server.
Any remaining funds can be swept away into a prize pool.


The company would get x amount of extra customers that would not normally have thought about hiring a game server and the potential of retaining them after the cups/leagues - thus they could afford to rent them at a low rate.
There are also plenty of teams currently paying top dollar for their own private server who would be interested in playing in the cup if only to get the reduced rate game server.

The teams playing would have that extra incentive to practice on their spanking new private server and get their monies worth. PLUS the chance to win a bit of cash. Result : extra activity in ET.


I don't have time to play let alone organise this but please take my business model and I'll take 10% :D


Regards,
Sharky

crossfire columns are a joke the last 2 years, any random shit that doesn't have a single clue about ET is spamming bullshit all over this place

99% of the et players are not playing for the money.

if you want to do it.. don't change back to 6v6. That will ruin all the other tournaments.

dignitas number account !? It will be faster...

i think aswell that the paying system wont work... eventhough i would pay some money since iam thinking about to start again :P.. but only if theyl change it to 6on6

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Problem 2, "skilled" people who would lose in their div would play in a lower div just to win a bit €.

for once, a decent reply by Goku.

plus, Im not willing to invest money in an online competition. I dont mind playing at LAN and I spend a lot of money on it, but Im not going to play online spending money depending on lag and possible cheaters. :]

is the picture working?

just annoying to see a fuckedup image on the cf startpage ;D

@topic:
crossfire have sent a team to quakecon some years ago and i think there are enough people who might pay a bit...but not for a competiton imo...

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(e.g. 10 officials every month before and during the tournament)

not gonna happen :(

I was thinking the same sort of idea, but for 8-16 teams only where there would be a signup fee + added money to a pot. Would of course depend on some level of sponsorship etc. and each one can have a different side prize sponsor.

It is very hard to implement though, sadly. I dont think involving the clanbase competition is a good idea, although I guess you didnt mean that just using it as an example.

Idea:make it so colums have to be accepted by at least 3 admins before they go online. This is complete waste of time and a really stupid idea. Columns were a joke for the past year (or maybe even more).

pay-to-play really only works in established leagues where only top teams compete (e.g. CSS/1.6). They run a few pay-to-play comps over at cybergamer.com.au and more recently cybergamer.org and it seems to work (integrated team payment system is part of the website etc etc).

Still for teams that wont win and people that say "but no one will pay because they know they wont win" etc. Then why do the very same people pay-to-play football every Sunday knowing the same thing? Ah that's it, they don't mind paying a few bob if they know the competition will be fun and well administered.

In saying that if you want new players and teams you will need to do a launch on a different community/gaming website and fork out your own money to encourage new players/teams to have a go.

Only by creating a league/competition where new players/teams are accepted will you actually get new players/teams. Currently the uptake is low because new players/teams don't enjoy getting spawn camped by even average players just because they have been playing for 5+ years.

If you create a new competition/league that is two tiered (say div1/div2) and hold a grading period then you might have a chance.

For existing teams/players that know they wont win the top prize the draw card should be similar. Having a set of leagues where you can be promoted and hell even relegated should spice things up a bit. I'm not sure how CB runs things with their div6 through OC Premier or whatever its called but from memory there is no set promotion/relegation setup.

There is nothing wrong with the format of the game or its content. This community and its existing player/team base has just grown older and more cynical (in general). The game needs a relaunch on a different multi-gaming community (or website) if you truly want new players and teams. From there you can advertise Crossfire as the place to go once teams/players want to move to the "next level of competition".

10 euro = 4 packs of viceroy in poland

;_;

if the only way to motivate teams to play is prize money it would be better to not host the cup at all.

hahahahaha pay money for FREE game ?? hahaha ridiculous :D

with 10€ i can go and watch bvb in their stadium + some beers and something to eat.
if u would get some sponsors like the most guys said then this idea would work but without it will never happend or u will find a rich private person who would pay this price moneys from his own private money xD

Idea: make a donate button and get rid of Robaciek when people have paid 50€