problem, sneijder?

by Dreamweaver • 7 Dec 2010, 01:26 • Journals
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this is serious journal. i'm not wesley's fan, but i think he should be in top 3 this year. but i dont know in who's place, really :). anywa, that italian journal already said it's iniesta who's going to win. i hoped for XAVI, but well, andres is also good :)
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RazZaH 7 Dec 2010, 01:41
biggest joke ever that messi made it to the top 3


players like sneijder, robben and forlan should be there instead of him


most overrated player ever


messi played cl final last year...OH WAIT
messi played Wc final last year... OH WAIT
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hattivatti 7 Dec 2010, 02:00
Yeah, 15 goals in 12 league games, so overrated.
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RazZaH 7 Dec 2010, 02:11
christiano ronaldo has 16 goals in the premiera division so far !

+ 3 in cl


Gekas has 13 goals in the bundesliga so far and he costs only 3 mio :o


You cant just look on the goals
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phyZiC 7 Dec 2010, 02:49
okey first of all the bundesliga doesn´t count its a shit league , and second of all Messi is the best in the world and hes gona get the pocal no doubt
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RazZaH 7 Dec 2010, 08:14
bundesliga is the 3rd best league
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zenix 7 Dec 2010, 11:16
yea +1
Huntelaar is doing good aswell :)
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Levin 7 Dec 2010, 08:32
only the spanish and the english ones are better :S
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koosa 7 Dec 2010, 02:54
Quote by RazzahYou can't just look on the goals


Yes, you can't. Just watch some Barcelona's matches and see for yourself that Messi is also a great teamplayer. Without him, Barcelona loses very much of their teamplay.
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zenix 7 Dec 2010, 11:17
I think xavi and iniesta are the team players that messi needs them to perform on his best. With Argentina he doesn't have that and you can notice that.
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koosa 7 Dec 2010, 15:43
I agree with you. But notice what function Messi had on WC. He was a typical playmaker. He wasn't a winger or a forward. He was distributing the ball to his teammates in front - Di Maria, Tevez and Higuain. He just had a different role on WC than in Barca.
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hattivatti 7 Dec 2010, 10:56
Yeah, but CR also played 14 matches, hence Messi has the better scoring ratio.

And the market value is a combination of accomplishments, age, potential and contract clauses. Messi has been playing top notch for the past 6 years despite being only 23. Theo only played a couple of decent seasons while being 30 already. Apart from scoring he has no value to the team, unlike Messi who manages to tear apart entire defenses once he has one of his many brilliant moments. Messi also scored 103 goals in 156 games which Gekas didn't in far over 200 games.
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Dreamweaver 7 Dec 2010, 08:34
it's about being "best player" not a "player having best team" or "player winning most thropies" or "player getting furthest in all competitions" :). i'm no big fan of messi, but i have to admit, he's playing awesome since few seasons.
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RASHOMON 7 Dec 2010, 08:51
No, Forlan is a joke... He won Europa league, what a fucking accomplishment :/
and during the wc, he scored some nice goals, true, but he can't do much things with the ball in the game... He is overrated and haven't won enough last year to claim for any award..
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JiPp0 7 Dec 2010, 12:21
So basicly you are saying that being loyal to weaker club makes you overrated and bad player? òÓ Forlan would succeed in topteams nowadays and winning Europa League with At.Madrid is a great accomplishment in my opinion. Still not sure whether he should be in top3 but dont think that he is overrated...
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RASHOMON 7 Dec 2010, 19:00
Well I'm not sure he would succeed in the greatest clubs in Europe (that's my opinion, but I could fail aswell)
To win the ballon d'or, you have to be a great player but who also won something with the team, that's why wining "only" Europe League isn't enough according to me
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Krosan 7 Dec 2010, 12:45
He is the best player in the world. Just watch his recent performance vs. Real.

He can't help it if his entire national team is shit!
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k1pa 7 Dec 2010, 01:42
messi out, he played nais year but accomplished nothing comperd to the rest
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Dreamweaver 7 Dec 2010, 08:36
ballon d'or is about accomplishments? or about being best footballer?
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k1pa 7 Dec 2010, 08:47
accomplishments are prizes for your skills,
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Dreamweaver 7 Dec 2010, 18:33
no, they are prizes for the skill of your team.
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dejx 7 Dec 2010, 01:46
he outclassed both iniesta/xavi till the start of this club season. he's in a kinda bad shape lately imo. not saying that he's bad at all or something, just missing his constant deadly passes/shots
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Dreamweaver 7 Dec 2010, 08:37
oh, how exactly is sneijder better than xavi? how did he outclass xavi or iniesta? by one off-side goal that lead inter through the semis?
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Krii 7 Dec 2010, 09:16
He is involved in almost every goal Inter/NL made last year.
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Dreamweaver 7 Dec 2010, 18:35
so what? xavi and iniesta couldnt be involved in every barca and spain goal, because there are many other great creative players in their teams, so it's harder to shine. and still xavi is a fucking motor of the teams he is playing.
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dejx 7 Dec 2010, 16:57
was just my opinion. opinion based on his style compared with xavi (eventho most people say xavi is a midfield magician). But on the other hand i agree that outclassed is a bit harsh word used here. As i said, his attacking creation, deadly passes/shots made him a bit better, again for my opinion. It's also hard to compare both players. Xavi is totally used to attacking, brain play of barcelona and also spain. Wesley is playing a bit different role in Inter, not possible to show every quality that he has due to "sucky" italian style. Sorry for my english, it sucks :S
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Dreamweaver 7 Dec 2010, 18:42
i dont mind you having your own opinion :) the point is, having right to an opinion doesnt make that opinion right, thats why i asked for some argumentation :D.

well, i agree they are different. weasley is more direct, xavi is guardiola's heir. but i'd say that this 'sucky italian style' (as you called it :>) is good for sneijder, because he couldn't really perform in spain (or was it all fault of real?).

i think your english is just fine :)
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dejx 7 Dec 2010, 20:41
at first have to say you're prolly the first person here that is able to talk constructively w/o any hatred! two claps for you ;) You got me wrong, never said my opinion is right. It is just my point of view on that. Right decision already came from FIFA :P About italian style, can't say that's right thing for him, eventho he extended his contract with inter. I think problem was in real. Take vd vaart for an example.. nothing really special in madrid but now he's dominating under redknapp. Wesley also performed very well with holland and i think they played way different, way more attacking and entertaining.
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zenix 7 Dec 2010, 11:25
just tired.
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dejx 7 Dec 2010, 17:03
that's true prolly. hope he'll be back in his form asap :S
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zenix 7 Dec 2010, 23:41
yea and ajax too :)
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dejx 8 Dec 2010, 23:48
hehe true true! what's going on lately btw? u'r dutch u should know some more details.. heard there is some internal hate between players/staff or something. They impressed me at the start of this season. But now.. first they lost to AZ then Nijmegen last week (also lost my bet ticket cuz of that :SS), then Jol left. Atleast they won milan today, so they're in europe league now but i think it's time to win eredivisie!
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zenix 9 Dec 2010, 16:45
Up and downs, nobody knowns why.
Jol and Blind had some internal problems together. Maybe it has something to do with daley blind not getting a chance.
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hattivatti 7 Dec 2010, 01:57
Thomas Müller in. That kid isn't overhyped enough yet.
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huumeantti 7 Dec 2010, 07:39
this is for the whole year 2010, and sneijder's shit this season, so there you go
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Dreamweaver 7 Dec 2010, 08:40
yeah, we dont give awards to anemics!
well, yeah, but still it's a bit unfair, i think, for how he decided the games during spring and summer.
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Krii 7 Dec 2010, 09:15
Sneijder playing more games than anyone else. What do you expect? It's impossible to stay fit the entire season. Just like Tour the Dope.
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Krii 7 Dec 2010, 09:12
Why dont they make it a top 4 instead
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Krosan 7 Dec 2010, 12:48
Why not give out 5 ballon d'ors? Then even CR could win something!
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nAbio 7 Dec 2010, 10:14
Xavi best player ever :]
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daisy 7 Dec 2010, 10:46
Messi will win. No doubt that he is the best player atm. But because I don't like him, I hope Litmanen would win. Useless topic btw, people shouting their own favorite players. OMG FORLAN SHOULD WIN!!!! Would be a fucking joke if Iniesta won.
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zenix 7 Dec 2010, 11:21
Some people tend to forget that iniesta also was injured last season for a while.
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dEzIrE 7 Dec 2010, 11:43
sneijder shud be in there an win. period
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Krosan 7 Dec 2010, 12:47
Xavi > Iniesta, but very very close :P
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Krii 7 Dec 2010, 12:51
Messi > Xavi = Iniesta

: )
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Krosan 7 Dec 2010, 12:54
Kinda :)

But without Xavi + Iniesta, Messi ain't that good :P
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Krii 7 Dec 2010, 12:57
tbh he would be still, but Xavi and Iniesta make him even better because they can always receive the ball.
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Dreamweaver 7 Dec 2010, 18:46
they are just different :). i really wouldn't try to call either a better player. i would only say that xavi's role seems to be more important in longer perspective.

iniesta is more dynamic than xavi and can dribble more than xavi can. but xavi has this something special... :)
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