r_depthbits

by pumu • 14 Nov 2006, 17:21 • Journals
Hi crossfire.nu community & friends,

why is it still allowed to have of r_depthbits "16" ?
the advantage is that you can see people through walls, while they cannot see you!

maybe that is a cheat too?

some screens of it:
(screen1) - (screen2) - (screen3) - (screen4) - (screen5)


and you don't even receive more FPS from it: (oasis timedemo)
(screen)

i read that it's also possible to have 32 depthbits? but i didn't test that nor i know much about that topic and graficsettings in general

©pumu + thx 2 stiff 4 help
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m!das 14 Nov 2006, 17:22
coz its more a feature than a bug :)

and why u dont use it urself if u have a disadvantage?
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pumu 14 Nov 2006, 17:27
does it even make sense then to have one player tactically playing upstairs in the room on radar?
or "camping" in the towers on supply? i don't want to sit in there, waiting for the opponent to plant and then getting killed myself by a nade because they saw me through the wall
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sC4pe 14 Nov 2006, 17:33
you make a very good vaild point.
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m!das 14 Nov 2006, 17:38
does it make any difference today? wh or 16 bits what do u prefer.

now serious it isnt such special imho if u camp@spots u can see in with 16 bits so it isnt such a huge advantage!!!

most of time u predict someone there so the 16 bits just make u sure :P
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Yossarian 14 Nov 2006, 18:08
Allow wallhacks please. You can predict where enemy is very easy or with sound, so let's use WH to be sure.
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m!das 14 Nov 2006, 18:13
mmh k true :(


but i like it :(
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maverick888 14 Nov 2006, 19:52
weird pumu, i used depthbits 16 for a long time and never had anything like you screenshots....
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Mamalukes 14 Nov 2006, 17:28
wallhacker
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DiniMere 14 Nov 2006, 17:29
yep, should be forced to 32
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Nizou 14 Nov 2006, 17:37
24 is enough to remove that bug.
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evan 14 Nov 2006, 17:32
nice config...hacker
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im a tree 14 Nov 2006, 17:34
doesnt everyone use this?
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breezy 14 Nov 2006, 19:32
no most use 24+
only cheap twats and cfg lamers use 16
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Ment 14 Nov 2006, 17:34
seeing through walls shouldnt be possible at all, agree. but now that its possible, you might as well use it.
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Ronner 14 Nov 2006, 17:45
Your argument is really ignorant. That's the same as saying "well since a wallhack is possible, we might as well use it"
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Ment 14 Nov 2006, 17:51
Maybe I didn't use the right word, instead of "possible" I meant "allowed", surely you can't blame someone for useing a setting giving that person an advantage as long as it's allowed? Wallhacks on the other hand aren't allowed (thank god). Don't get me wrong though, if it would be removed I'd be just as happy as you. :)
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m!das 14 Nov 2006, 17:53
me not :( i like my cfg like it is :(
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Ronner 14 Nov 2006, 17:53
Ofcourse you can blame someone for using a setting that gives him this advantage. Why do you think they have put restrictions on picmip, lodbias, lightmap etc.etc.etc.. cuz they could be set to such values that it gave people an advantage. Same should happen with r_depthbits imo if it gives people an advantage like this.
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m!das 14 Nov 2006, 17:56
hell no did u play rtcw recently?

i dont get it why they forbid so many commands what doesnt give u any advantage its just coz of some lowskilled admins which enjoy the grafik :X
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pumu 14 Nov 2006, 17:59
qcon*
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m!das 14 Nov 2006, 18:05
and why?

to make it better 4 the spectator :)

u got spectator at home?
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r3vers 14 Nov 2006, 18:13
maybe because then it's all fair? look @ CS, only options tweaking allowed ( NO CONSOLE), 16 bits is NOT allowed also. ( you can see through smoke)
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m!das 14 Nov 2006, 18:22
i use 16 [email protected] also and i like it there 2 :P

i dont know enough about cs in esport but i saw some streams about css and there they sayed that the lan-attendies have to play with standart cfg and i though wtf!!!

maybe its the best 4 LANgames coz its fair then but imho we got so much other factors in onlinegaming(ping/pc-performance) which make it unfair so we shouldnt care so much about it @online

to the fairness part i have to say everyone have the possibility to use 16 bits so it isnt such unfair isnt it?
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r3vers 14 Nov 2006, 18:24
fuck off with that bs, basically you're saying that razz was right with his rivatuner crap. no-one should have advantages, fairplay all the way.
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m!das 14 Nov 2006, 18:27
i would use it if it isnt forbidden coz i like the lowdetailthingi!!

but i dont say in any word that he did right!!!

its forbidden so u shouldnt use!!! like heron and stuff(maybe helpfull and everyone can use it but forbidden)
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Dreamweaver 14 Nov 2006, 22:53
riva is external programme, this is unbanned command, so you are advantaged, but everybody can use it so i dont see any problem.

btw why arent you at clanbase in idle profile?
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r3vers 14 Nov 2006, 23:14
because i'm kicked.
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Nellie 14 Nov 2006, 18:42
Ideal world everyone would be forced to the same settings.
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JobCohen 14 Nov 2006, 18:45
Not really everyone is different, why would we all have the same settings? That's like saying everyone should wear the same shoes with football even though I have twice the size of my teammate :).
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Nellie 14 Nov 2006, 18:47
Not at all, that comparison would be to your individual mouse settings & keyboard setup.

A better comparison would be it's like ensuring everyone plays with the same ball. Not that the Premiership has better balls that can be hit further and more accurately - because they can afford it.
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JobCohen 14 Nov 2006, 19:12
But the fact is everyone can afford the same settings, people don't use the same settings because they prefer other settings. It's not that pro gamers can use different (better) settings than lesser skilled players now is it?
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r3vers 14 Nov 2006, 18:01
you're the one who's lowskilled here.
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m!das 14 Nov 2006, 18:05
i guess u didnt played rtcw in the last year and didnt know the admin situation so plz dont talk to me :)

thx :P
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Deactivated7001 14 Nov 2006, 18:39
bla blub bleb...whine bla blub bleh
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Ment 14 Nov 2006, 18:00
I don't agree. Putting restrictions on those cvars is an obvious consequence of too many people gaining advantage of it. I therefor think that if there will be alot of discussion about r_depthbits it might be restricted as well. However what you are saying is that people shouldn't use settings giving them an advantage, that is a wrong thought. If people are allowed to use this setting, I don't see ANY reason why they shouldn't use it. That is like saying "people can't use cg_wolfparticles 0, because they will have an advantage over people that don't use it." EVERYONE can use this setting, therefor you won't have an advantage OVER other people, you will just have an advantage, because you can see through walls sometimes. As long as it isn't restricted and everyone can use it you can't blame someone for doing so.
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fra 14 Nov 2006, 21:30
you're pretty funny, showing your english skills instead of replying to him in concret terms
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Ment 14 Nov 2006, 22:11
I am actually replying to him... just read what I said. He says you can blame someone for useing r_depthbits 16 and I disagree, because there is no cvar restriction for it. How can you blame someone for doing something which is allowed? You can't. I'm not saying that it shouldn't be forced to 24 or 32, but as of now that isn't the case. So actually I am replying to what he says.
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cheasy 14 Nov 2006, 17:35
32 is possible, i use it
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Yossarian 14 Nov 2006, 17:39
tru dat

this should be forbiden in global (<----LOL) config

Anyway the people who are making new configs (if they are) should consider this information and make changes in configs.
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overdrive 14 Nov 2006, 17:42
If you force it to 32 with a config, people will just force them in their drivers to a lower setting. Besides it would be very lotto to have a pb_ss where you can see someonetrough a wall, so if it were illegal it would be very hard to control.
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r3vers 14 Nov 2006, 18:02
it would be hard, but you could ban ppl for this too, i think everyone with some brain won't use it ( hi razz!)
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chaoZ 14 Nov 2006, 17:44
hast du ja früh gemerkt sherlock
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Ronner 14 Nov 2006, 17:47
is it just r_depthbits 16 that makes it possible? cuz I've tried it and I never get anything remotely like it.
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m!das 14 Nov 2006, 17:47
low details
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Ronner 14 Nov 2006, 17:51
ah well.. dont want it anyway, just tried to see what it'd look like on a server.. didn't work and I'm not gonna bother any further
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Neglect 14 Nov 2006, 19:00
I think it only works with ati cards or smth.
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lettu 14 Nov 2006, 17:47
my gfxcard cant handle more than 16bits, please dont ban me cb admins if u see me seeing people through walls on pbshots!
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KlemenP 14 Nov 2006, 17:51
r_depthbits 0

ftw : )
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Deactivated5956 14 Nov 2006, 18:03
why are all the screens made with binocoluar
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Vindicator 14 Nov 2006, 19:56
check screen #1... it's just him with normal view :|
prolly the rest is with binocs cuz you see them better through the wall, the first screen i actually had to look for the guy :S
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pala 14 Nov 2006, 18:16
depth bits 16 got fov bug too
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Sheep 14 Nov 2006, 18:26
Elaborate please!
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pala 14 Nov 2006, 18:32
translate plz
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Sheep 14 Nov 2006, 18:34
Explain please!
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overdrive 14 Nov 2006, 19:05
I think he means the bug where you can lean trough walls when using ultra high fovs, but i thought that only worked at fov 130.
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Orkrist 14 Nov 2006, 18:40
He wanted you to give some further information on this bug/description of this bug you've mentioned.

note to self: refresh more often
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chosen 14 Nov 2006, 18:41
I think the FPS is the important thing here, should be forced in configs.
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suA 14 Nov 2006, 19:19
What do you wanna force to then ?
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Vindicator 14 Nov 2006, 19:53
76, is kinda easiest to get for all i think
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suA 14 Nov 2006, 20:28
oh i thought he meant forcing r_depthbits ...
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chosen 15 Nov 2006, 14:57
i ment the dephbits do not effect the fps :> sry
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suA 15 Nov 2006, 16:19
oh then we agree for once :)

command "sv_cvar mr_depthbits IN 24 32"

or smth... !?!
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Neglect 14 Nov 2006, 18:59
zlol I had it on since day 1 and cant be bothered to change it. but forcing it sounds ok to me.
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ratZillA 14 Nov 2006, 19:16
i have 16 apperantly(just checkd) and i cant see jack shit thru walls...
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Silent_ 14 Nov 2006, 19:18
there are lots of hackers out there if they are allowed to see through walls why arent we?
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kmz 14 Nov 2006, 19:23
its my hax :<
im too poor for private haxxes.
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pumu 14 Nov 2006, 19:25
checked with timedemo? pr00f pls
for me its even a bit higher ...
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Deactivated3036 14 Nov 2006, 19:36
24 or 32 imo, 16 should not be allowed
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HardyRah 14 Nov 2006, 19:41
mrozu said that if u use that and u get busted by pbss u will get ban from cb or something =S
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abort 14 Nov 2006, 19:58
and force fps to higher than 100 imo, because in these days its easy to get 100+ fps stable and having fps 71 gives u (almost) no recoil which is imo ridiculous and unfair. And if your maxpackets are 100 and your fps is capped @ 76, your maxfps practically is 76.
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ons 14 Nov 2006, 20:19
that would disqualify poor peeps that cant get 100 :/
i myself have 125, so not that it has to do anything with me
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Nizou 14 Nov 2006, 20:23
I can't even get stable 50 in most of the maps so cut that off. :p
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wAndAA 10 May 2007, 17:55
I have/had a hard time getting 76 stable... at least on some/most maps... so imo that is a good point! :)
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phun 14 Nov 2006, 22:34
try getting 32 on linux, no way dude! Blame ATI, nVidia shitty non-GPL policy
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