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23 Jul 2011, 06:45
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Pretty ugly shit going down there.
It's like the most secure place to live and now this....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14259356
It's like the most secure place to live and now this....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14259356
http://www.mtv3.fi/uutiset/ulkomaat.shtml/2011/07/1364373/poliisi-ampujaa-odottaa-21-vuoden-vankeustuomio
Now I can't say for certain but I'd imagine that spending 21 years in prison will probably make you think of what you have done enough to not wanting to do it again. That is, if you're not a complete psychopath - and honestly I don't think this guy is in any way mentally wrong in the head (I just know someone is going to get all emotional on this claim and comment something silly like "So killing 91 people is completely normal?") since doing things like that does not make you a psychopath. I think he was just a person very frustrated at the society and blamed the leftist party for this, which is kinda understandable but does not justify his crime.
In other words, I think the guy is not going to do another massacre after spending 21 years in prison, assuming that there's any kind of rehabilitation there. Killing the guy or locking him in prison for the rest of his life is not going to bring back the dead, and it's not going to make anyone really any happier I think, and while both of those methods do ensure that he won't be killing anyone again, there are also other methods to ensure that.
From his point of view he was likely trying to save Norway from the hands of leftist politicians who would "ruin the country", and he did this by killing young would-be leftist politicians. This kind of behaviour is not actually too rare: if Norway was governed by a leftist party that oppressed all other political views he would probably be depicted as a freedom fighter in the media, although in both cases he would have killed a hundred innocent people.
There's (probably) a deeper, philosophical message in what I'm saying but I suck at explaining so I'm just going to gamble and see if people can figure it out themselves.
I hope you are trolling, because what you describe is textbook psychopathy...
Even simple wiki search can tell you this:
You are just another pseudo-intellectual, and by the looks of your comments also a psychopath.
Neither of us has any solid intel on the subject, thus claiming that he was or was not a psychopath is quite pointless. I've said that he was not *necessarily* a psychopath, and if he wasn't, he's not beyond help.
E: And dunno but I like to rationalize everything - and that includes cases like this. Is there some other way to approach it? I don't think emotionalizing it would get us anywhere.
How do you think people wage wars if they go all emotional and nuts after every time they shoot at an enemy?
Also, about soldiers - PTSD.
Closing ppl in prisons suck, its true but they're just too dangerous, maybe after 21 years when leftist'll start to ruining country he'll make another attack but then he'll kill i.e 1000ppl with some bombs.
How I hate this do-gooder attitude "We have to respect his rights and we cannot destroy his life", eventhough he has just destroyed the lives of 100 people and also that of their families.
Even if we killed the guy, stitched him up, revived him and killed him again, it wouldn't bring back those who he killed. And this *shouldn't* really make anyone happier, because if you do find joy in the suffering of others then you are no better than the murderer.
If that happened to me, though, perhaps over time I would realize that whatever on earth I did to the man it would not bring back my family and undo what he did. Revenge gets you nothing, really. Forgiveness does, but it's difficult to forgive something like that, I know.
It's about preventing that something like that can ever be done by him again, it's about getting rid of someone who has obviously no place among humans anymore.
If a pedophile rapes a little child of barely 5 years and kills it, it doesn't interest me in the slightest if he can be "rehabilitated" just like it doesn't interest me at all in this case.
Proper rehabilitation will ensure that something like this will never be done by him again, unless, of course, he's mentally ill, in which case he'll be locked up in a mental institution, depending on the severity of the condition, for the rest of his life.
About the pedophile thing, you're letting your emotions cloud your judgement.
And I don't think many would embrace his reintegration.
Even if you believe rehabilitation is morally justified the statistics pretty much refute the efficiency of that policy.
To quote my favourite dictator Stalin,
The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic.
Although there might be some controversy as to whether hundred teens dead is a tragedy or a statistic.
E: And it's not like having 84 people dead would be any more fortunate than having 100 people dead.
However, from a third party's point of view (ie. mine) those 14 (or 9 in this case, if the killcount was "at least 91") deaths do not make much of a difference I'm afraid.
If I mourned over completely random people dying in other parts of the world, I'd probably be mad with depression already. It's best for one's mental health to treat them as statistics.
'And it's not like having 84 people dead would be any more fortunate than having 100 people dead.'
Doesn't sit well with me! But my opinion is no more right than yours, so point conceded.
sad shit!
"ok"
Killing because of political opinions is just as (non)sensible as killing because of religious views.
what_the_fuck
Also this looks like a normal man and not a psycho to me. Is there a difference between the appearance of the two anyways?
That particular weapon is standard-issue even in Finnish police forces.
This is a machine gun:
I don't think machine guns are issued to police officers anywhere in the world, really, at least not in Norway.
Although according to my sources it was a rifle, but it's not uncommon to issue those to police officers either.
It's also possible that he didn't disclose his weapon before starting the killing. Actually it's quite likely that he kept it in a case or a bag. Before the massacre he asked people to gather around him, so I guess he bought the gun in a case to someplace before that, and when he had a good bunch of them teens there he took it out and started the... deed.
nvm : German TV send all the infos ..
I'd love to go to the religious ceremonial and yell shit like "SO WHERE WAS YOUR GOD NOW?"
(But the "hahhahaha" about a terrible happening makes him indeed sound "retarded".)
No, it won't bring back the dead nor will it make people happy, but at least it will ensure that this particular madman will never return to a position where he could pull of something like this again. Honestly, this guy wants to play it like this and kill 90 people out of fucking nowhere, let's return the favor. Eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth in cases such as these.
1. they make bad choises in allies
2. they attract hatred
3. easy to occupy