World War III
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11 Nov 2011, 23:26
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Hey folks of the crossed fire,
What do you think of the current global situation? Will the economy and the foreign policy of the United States, UNO, Russia and China lead us to a war? Is there already a world war around us? Do you think the major influence countries of the world would benefit?
I hope you guys are open for a discussion!
What do you think of the current global situation? Will the economy and the foreign policy of the United States, UNO, Russia and China lead us to a war? Is there already a world war around us? Do you think the major influence countries of the world would benefit?
I hope you guys are open for a discussion!
and about if there is a war right now: i think there is sorta, but then on economic level. nowadays, economic power is world power imo :)
and on the other hand, money in the form it is now, is actually way better to get the economy going.. but my english isnt good enough to explain why :D
Edit: wtf @ ierondr... zotn :p
kvind dak gelijk heb :D!
alles wat ie zegt klopt ver niet
Money is not based on any gold value anymore. The Fed and the ECB can print as much as they want without government regulations.
Honestly, we are already in a depression that is as Germany's situation before world war 2 and probably greater than the great depression. We don't know that, sure, because what is much more important is to defend america from the crazy terrorists that hate the us for its freedom (Seriously? If that was the fact, the Netherlands would be fuckin dust..) and the climate change which is by the way promoted by, oh shoot, the Bilderberg Group? haha it's a joke man.
Obama is not any different to Bush.
What people should do is just buy like they always did, that way companies get money, country get taxes etc etc.
All we need now is someone who can make people do that.
And btw u cant compare the us dollar with the euro.
Even if it is crisis euro>usdollar
Yes the ECB & FED pumped a lot of money last years (mostly around 2009 & 2010) in the economy, but this was to stimulate all companies to keep investing (or else there would be deflation, which is worse than inflation), also the ECB & FED put their intrest rates (FOR BANKS!!!!) at like 0,5% and i believe at a certain time at the FED it was even 0%. Today the ECB it's intrest rate is 1,25%
Also did you know that the ECB its ONLY goal is to keep inflation between: 0-2%/year, the FED goal is also to keep inflation low but they also try to stimulate economic growth, but as i said the ECB just looks to keep inflation low..
and about the inflation: in belgium our inflation was 0% almost whole 2009, and we even had a slight deflation for a week. Today in 2011 we have a 3% inflation again.
so your story is wrong
believe me or not: but a slight inflation of 0-2% a year is even necessary to keep the economy going ;)
You actually believe to understand economics because you study it? If that's the case, why isn't the economy just perfect, because clever graduates know how the economy works? The economy is not a car, so you cant start an engine and turn it off when you want to. Therefore saying pumping up the economy by printing money is completely irrelevant.
May I also remind you that you are being teached Keynesian economics which is obviously failing RIGHT NOW? Are you aware of Austrian economics?
What do you think caused the depression?
ok i'll try again..
yes economics is a science that has only existed/has been studied for only like 200 years or so, so yes there are still things we don't know about it. But the main problem is that ecomy is such a big thing with all different variables that you have to study it by using economic models. that is why the complexity of things
printing money in order to get the economy still going is a fact that worked; cause if you don't, you will get into a deflation negative spiral: ppl would get fired, so ppl will buy less stuff, and will buy even less stuff -> prices will go down, and ppl will postpone their purchases because they expect the price to drop more, which will happen because even less will be bought then.
The reason we all could get out of the economic crisis was by using the keynesian economics methods, so stfu about that pls
i am being teached BOTH keynesian (demand minded) & friedman (supply minded), AND both have their positive & negative
btw how can YOU know what i am exactly studying in my courses?
the reason why this depression started is because of the USA banks financial crisis which lead to an economic crisis in the whole world.
NOW STFU and don't reply if you intend to give more false information because these are all facts im telling you. FACTS, NOT OPINIONS
FACTS
Easy, first of all I am no American citizen. Second, are you telling me that you have an understanding of economics? If so, then sir, this is slightly embarassing for you, when you don't even see that there has to be a value behind money.
Which crisis did we get out of?
Because all the major economic countries are using Keynesian Economics, that is no secret. I know enough students and credible universities to know that, too. And so called "economists" by which you are teached benefit from economic crises.
Yooouuu know, you know...
there is a value behind money, and the value is by being declared by a government to be legal tender; that is, it must be accepted as a form of payment within the boundaries of the country, for "all debts, public and private"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%932009_Keynesian_resurgence#Effectiveness
i'm not saying this crisis is over, but thx to keynesian methods, we were better off than anything
so if the governments are using keynesian economics right now, this means we only get to be taught that side of macro economics? i see everything relevant.
my 2 books im using this year is:
blanchard - macroeconomics
a. decoster - economie, een inleiding (best belgian economy book)
Yes i know, this year my Macro economics course exam will have 50% topicality, so stuff that is happening in the economy right now, and we will have to answer certain problems with economic models, so if i'll pass i once again, i know that i am right, and you are wrong
(which i already know because i had 2 exams about micro & macro economics already last year)
conservative
Tea party movement fundamentalist
didn't study economics but is writing economic books
is for free market (which has proven 1000x times that doesn't work)
is against abortion
no i don't read crap from ppl like these :) he pretty much sums up the hate i have towards americans and their way of thinking. sorry bruv, i guess this is because im from belgium.
Almost all the other arguements are not topic related.
Oh and by the way: Luckily we have the PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT Obama who is a studied ECONOMIST and helps us out of the crisis by killing babies.
Yeah, you definitely got a point there.
finding a solution is not
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/
and now im gonna stop replying to you because we each have different opinions, which is a good thing and will lead to the best solutions in the end anyway :)
have a nice day sir
hey thanks!
im studying economics too for now 3 years yet i dont feel the need to get that mad about what some people on crossfire think
ok i'll try to explain once again.
imagine you live in the year 1000: you are a shoe seller. There is no "real" money, but only like trading stuff. This means you will have to trade the stuff you have in the stuff you want. this means you will have to find somebody that is interested in buying shoes. this is a pain in the ass cause you will lose a lot of time trying to find somebody who is interested in your shoes
BUT IMAGINE LIVING NOW AND YOU SELL SHOES:
ppl that want shoes come to you and give money for it which is nationally accepted and can be traded FOR EVERYTHING. so if ppl want to buy shoes they will come to your shop. and with that money you can buy everything
do you get my point?
I am not saying that the earliest way business took place is the right one. I am saying that a currency has to be based on something with value, like gold, copper, coal or even salt (which is not relevant anymore). If it is not based on anything (like most currencies, except for the Australian Dollar or the Yen for instance) a speculative bubble will burst eventually as it always did.
yes that could happen, but as long as there is trust in it, it won't fall, which won't because then we are like /kill"ing yourselves
also i hope you do realise that other stuff like currency can also create a bubble effect; such as gold aswell :)
read this and you will understand what i mean: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania
neutral : Russia/china/India
direct threat : Pakistan/North-Korea/Iran
You and I both know that whatever extremist politicians say in the media, most of the time doesn't come close to what they are exactly thinking or willing/wanting to do when the needed power is granted to them. You don't hear Obama saying that the holocaust is a myth because even if he were to really believe it was a myth, such a statement is politically incorrect thus will not be said by a person with such a big responsibility to both his country and the rest of the world. Ahmadinejad has crossed certain borders in his statements to make me believe he is no good at all, same goes for Kim Jong-il.
A vile man is a bad man.
A vile man with power and in possession of a nuclear weapon is even worse.
Are you aware of that the USA has military bases in every single country around Iran?
Are you aware of that Iran is afraid of what happened to Iraq is likely to happen to themselves?
And I completely understand the need to protect yourself as a country and to upper your resistance against a possible attack and if I were to be a leader of a country I would do exactly the same thing. The difference lies, as mentioned above, at the very top of those countries. You can twist it, you can turn it, but in my eyes Ahmadinejad is a vicious man and when put in danger I cannot foresee what he is capable of doing.
PS : I hope you are aware that the very first comment I wrote regarding a general war against islam etc wasn't serious.(!)
He might be a vicious man BUT what is he gonna do? Nuke central Europe? I doubt it
What do you think?
I am too tired for more. Sleep well.
what makes USA any more responisible with nuclear weapons than anyone else? they (and the UK) have shown their lack of responsibility by going into Iraq/Afghanistan and making bad situations even worse.
if this is not happening we will see more small local wars or argues (rising cold war) about resources (ie. at northpole territories). but most likely china will improve its demands in africa, which will open conflicts with jelly americans, who cant invest there. and china will blackmail the us with swapping there $ demands against the us into € or w/e else currency
nigs from africa will turn to cannibalism because they have nothing -> Zombie Apocalypse
I believe the first stage of "punishing" the Iran for example for the creation of nuclear weapons will be hacking their research facility systems
And eventually the army is existing out of a small amount of real soldiers and the rest pc hackers. Less money = profit = less crisis lol ;d
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2ac_1320986765
good stuff!
its german, american soldiers "freed" an asylum. 300 of the inmates fleed, raped all women around and killed 4 of them...peace to iraque. i can just shake my head
99%scum and probl come from there so i support iran russia and china.
"That man is a direct threat to everything our grandfathers worked and fought for"
you are a fountain of lulz dude, get a newspaper plz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel#Doctrine
which talk about Samson option
np for Jericho missiles :~>
everything is speeding up. noone knows anything in the end.
everything is possible now. make the best out of it.
thats my oppinion.
>benefit
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