TZAC and queries/emails I'm receiving lately
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23 Oct 2012, 15:14
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I appreciate the sudden wave of emails regarding TZAC which are coming my way like never before, but it's too late - please stop trying.
Every single person that contacted me is viewing at TZAC from player's point of view and sees close to no value in it - for me as its developer it has a value and I'm not giving it away to anyone to continue the project.
I also find it strange that people are guessing what I'll do after I close TZAC - that's none of your business.
Every single person that contacted me is viewing at TZAC from player's point of view and sees close to no value in it - for me as its developer it has a value and I'm not giving it away to anyone to continue the project.
I also find it strange that people are guessing what I'll do after I close TZAC - that's none of your business.
So you're deciding that can't guess? Fuck off.
10 days
mong.
i also think people shouldn't be so quick to judge, none of us know what he was promised and if he was given false hope, then i can understand his feelings of betrayal.
But I can not agree with the bolded part, know that you are one of the few official faces for ET, COD4 and AC in general.
Edit - and yes it would be better to give the job to someone else but this software has value so it wouldnt be free to anyone. And who would be willing to pay for it? And for keeping it up?
people like you or me, who saw how good the AC was never said a bad word. people who had to stop cheating because of it however, had only bad things to say.
Besides ive heard that people says it detects nothing which is not true since almost everyday i see people getting busted. and yes etplayers
for an example : zabija (or zaba cannot really remember since they are both retarded)
that guy came back thousand of times (eventho he got busted again after a week or something) he is allowed to cheat again and again...
kapla claimed that a linux version would come, we never saw it like much others things...
eventho he did a "decent" job, and yes it 'prolly gave him a lot of work, but he has a "large" amount of money.
ofc the "large" amount of money is "subjective" but for me it is!
of course there aree cheaters, but none in competition.
- adawolfa left
- no cheat community is interested in a dead game
even in this "dead game" they'd make money from the people who wish to cheat, you know that.
my comment:
chaplja's reply to my comment:
this is us talking about the ET community, not sponsors OR money. I'm sorry that you misunderstood.
And being an ex-cheater you should know better than to care when people insult you and your work! You know that most of us are thankful for TZAC and your work.
Point is, don't see it as a waste as it definitely wasn't. It's a great experience to have.
(Since you mentioned valve, the feel I get from them is that they rather look for marketing than "technical advancement", they wanted someone to dust wipe the VAC2 right? Their c-roll don't exactly favor europeans either.)
fucking parties m8
HAHAHHAHAHH
WTF
I really wont lie nothing compares to this anticheat. Punkbuster sucks it doesnt scan outside the games EXE which is pointless because you can make any cheat outside of the EXE simple, then you got VAC which also detects nothing atall.
This was really the only anticheat what was good, I hear quakelive now has an awsome anticheat. But never seen it really.
This saved ET's ass would have been nice for him to keep going but look from this. If it was you and you spent all that time, would you want to continue without pay?
Personally he could probably keep the current build up and running without updates and will still stop everyone but thats completely up to him everyone knew he wanted money in past and no1 give him it.
btw hi long time xD I belive 7 months since ive propely played ET wow.
Id personally love to make an anticheat for this game just wouldnt have even nearly enough time due to girlfriend and actually holding a job :)
But its just personal its his creation he should decide, I understand why he would have been pretty mad, he made this anticheat for COD 2 ( dno why ) Cod4 ( heavliy popular game ) and of course ET and he didnt get enough income I dont see why because its really better than the anticheats out there even when it isnt updated.
I know I could make a decent anticheat for ET but in reality. What would the point be knowing that you wont generate any income and I could make one but it would just be a shadow compared to TZAC. The games going down its a shame but it really is. Wrote a story further down about some tard whining might be interesting points.
hi
cu 1/12
well, atleast KRP is no more gaining warnings for not including TZAC-shot in OC-game report
and to correct you on one point, we didn't drop PunkBuster, PB dropped ET.
I didn't kill my income with cheat developing. I killed my income because I _stopped_ coding cheats. :)
Thanks for all the effort though
2010-2012
gl in whatever u decide to do
you had no valid business modell to start with but it seems you didnt realize all that time.
and why not take a look at your software, shall we?
it didnt actually really bust anyone as far as i am aware. in those two years we had what? 2 maybe 3 waves of busts and all of them were incredibly short compared to anything we had before.
people are whining about you ending tzac because its a synonyme for ET dying.
but your program did less good for the community than a single incident like fusangate did.
i always disliked your attitude and personality anyway (and see myself confirmed in you refusing to open scource something that you wont continue and that you confirm has no financial value to you), and your software was shit (especially for a 2 year developing cycle), you wont be missed and neither will be your amateur program.
lets just hope that the cheats you are moving on to, as we all know, are as bad as your AC was.
and for you personally i hope that you, as a developer, can move on to real projects rather than bother with cheats or the prevention thereof which is, as far as i am aware, for people who are barely good enough to exploit code rather than make something of their own.
1) do you understand anything at all about code?
2) would continuing TZAC in its current, unaltered state even be worth it?
This was just a hobby for Chaplja since speedlink stopped to finance project. Donations were donations, commercials were commercials, what ever he got by that is still not so much for a programmer with that skills - developing own AC, for more games. We all know that he wanted also to earn on that, seems he couldn't. I feel sorry for him, if he would be earning on it there would be v5 out for sure. God knows how many months of coding were spent on that, I know chaplja doesn't know ammount of time.
But hey lets not forget about other people on this, since we are talking about time and amount of time spended on ET. What about mods, maps, all kinds of admins and all stuff that player brought to ET with knowledge they have or time they spent to make this community better? Do you think that amount of time is not even higher? Lots of people did a lot for ET. I think we should be also proud on all that people, just check ammount of maps for ET its incredible high for a game that is holding on since 2003.
Besides this is just ETPro part of players talking here. You have to know that there are other players which doesnt even know about ETPro and are playing on ETPUB, NQ or any other mod and are newbs or even better but they just don't know about all mods and does not even know about ESL/CB/CF/TZAC existance! Here are lots of talks ET is dead etc. well yes ammount of players decreased on whole et, but do not forget about pubs. If you do not like pub, do you think other care like you care for them?
Aint responding to this german guy but to all ppl who are talking and making some stupid journals about TZAC, ET is dead shit and so on.
community driven projects usually go open source after discontinuation.
he said that he has no further use for the code.
i dont see why i would be trolling.
i am sure that people who are interested in developing ACs (maybe even for ET) would be glad to have the code. I am sure that even the ETLive people would like to have a look at it.
"i dont use it but you cant have it cause its mine" is a mentality i dont appreciate much. maybe thats because i didnt grow up in the easten block and I am used to having things, so i grew up learning to share.
e: regarding your edit: that point you are trying to make is also wrong. he claimed that the reaosn for discontinuing it is financioal. hence ur "it was a hobby" is as false as "he shouldnt share it".
also i dont see any connection to what i posted. all your "need to appreciate" and "some people arent playing ETpro" have no connection to what i said.
True for some, I still do not see any AC going open source, if there is and there are people with knowledge then they can start working on it (if its going to be hobby for them as you cannot expect money from ET players).
It is just the way it is, he decided not to share it, lets say that I would be unsure if I would be developing AC if i would share it also (not saying I know the c++, c# etc) just thinking from my perspective. My reasons would be: I might start to work or build from it on some other game some day, every code that someone makes on its own is unique and its better then some opensource, same is with cheats if they are private or stay private it stays undetected longer. And second reason which would even concrete first is ammount of time that was spent on it.
But I would run AC on server (if I would need it for other projects) without any support or peak at it. And all this would be based on program to earn money like Chaplja at first was thinking to get it and hoping to get it further from some other sponsor or someone who would notice his work and give him some job for their own needs.
2 options
A) It is a hobby and a serivce to the community: you go open source after discontinuation
B) It is a business modell and at discontinuation you either try to monetize what you have or you offer it as a service to the community (if you are a nice guy)
he stated above that it was a business. he also stated that he lets it catch dust.
hence he did not only fail at setting up a viable business but he also knows nothing about damage control.
that guy is an amateur.
i get it, everything you ever wrote was either wrong or just retarded.
having people look at the code is more useful than it gathering dust.
i never said to make it opensource and just recompile it without change.
THINK
e: id also appreciate if someone as limited in mental faculties as you wouldnt reply to my posts.
Yet you are arguing for it to be open source? Yes, you are a very intelligent person and it is obvious you aren't making up your opinion as you go along. Further reinforcing how terrible and undeserving this community has become. Go mount yourself on a fence post.
yet having it gather dust is a waste of his work, however bad that may have been.
make it opensource so somebody can maybe polish the poop or picks bits and ideas off it.
obnoxious twat
You're just bitching for the sake of bitching. I bet you were one of those kids that stormed though the grocery store knocking shit over and bawling when Mum wouldn't buy you a candy bar.
1) done be sad ET community, it wasnt that good
2) there is no reason to not let people use the code if you cant monetize it
the only argument you have brought forward so far is that you seem to think that those are mutually exclusive which is far from true, which brings me back to my point of: dont even talk to me if you cant understand the most basic of concepts.
I wouldnt ever let anyone have my work whats the point. If you could code and werent a brain dead troll you would understand the fact coding isnt something you do overnight it takes years to learn to code on your own without kidding yourself copy and pasting, and when you finally make something nice, it was a known fact he asked for money and no1 would sponsor it because its ET who cares bout ET besides us its a good community and ive always loved ET. But look in business point of view, sponsor someone for a already dead game or go with a good game like CODS etc battlefields.
No money could ever be made in this game no more, Look what nitrox was trying to do. He was making a mod compET which I have source for as I was gonna help him code it he done it completely from the scratch source built the mod himself, then got flamed. What is wrong with this idea really.
Rebuild ETPRO with all bugfixes in one mod and fix all the other small bugs all under one file. make nicer gameplay etc.
He spent ages onit and what happened, he got flamed by the community. What for ? for trying to make et better. Current ET is dying and always will a newer mod for comp could have brought more people back a different game maybe more fun involved again. The ET these days is boring so many things could be changed to improve it.
Just think the community needs to support people more than be dickheads tbh.
Current ET has no new talents its very hard, when I tried playing ET competitively I was playing with the almighty guys they was awsome guys as friends and had decent players I could compete with most of them even made them try searching my past for owning R0S's head ( SHOUTOUT YO )
But I didnt ever get any decent chances to push forward for any new talent.
Basically the games full of old faces and its pretty boring this may have changed recently as I have been gone over 7 months but I seriously doubt it.
Anyway your not gonna get any anticheat better than tzac was currently.
i understand your argument.
what makes you think that people care about mongrels that jump into other peoples arguments and voice their disapproval whtout making a point of their own?
you are so mad little fuck and i couldnt care less :)
get something to say or dont reply to me
If you honestly think this is me being mad, you have a twisted view on reality, a lack of common sense or zero social intelligence.
where did i say it should be continued?
i said that AC coders and ETLive can maybe learn from it. I dont even think you know how cheat busting works. You think that if you put the code out there its rendered uselss?
why do you even comment if you have no fucking clue?
cause you read your own opinion into other peoples comments and get fuckmad about it.
Yes, AC coders and ETLive might learn from it, but as I said, also the cheat coders. That totally negates the things AC coders and ETLive can learn.
You still think Im mad. Im starting to believe its the zero social intelligence. Carry on.
do you have any proof for that or are you just wildly guessing again?
you really must think hes utterly useless.
Some developers makes softwares, applications etc... for free in order to help communities, people etc... Their only source of money is donations and these guys deserve respect because they don't really care about money, they just spend time on a project to help each other.
And the fact you won't give sources to another coder to continue TZAC reinforces what I thought about you since the beginning : you developed TZAC for money, not for the community, you're a stupid selfish guy and TZAC probably wasn't that good at busting cheaters.
People like you are fine examples of those that want everything for free, go whine to someone else.
This fucking sucks!
Your comments in this journal show just how socially unaware, un-professional, and childish you are. You like the flame, you like flaming back.
Grow up first, learn how to sell your product, and then realise what the potential is for tz-ac. I bid you good luck in the future.
Seems you want to force your own "you should do like that" attitude to someone? If you are that person, learn programing before december and do it fast. If you are not willing to Start today at this moment then shut up.
Selfish? Dunno if trolling or flaming or just stupid?
You do realise that he did it for money only ? He doesn't care of the community that's why after the SpeedLink pertnership ended TZAC died a bit more month after month.
And I'm pretty sure some cheaters had a "deal" with him to cheat without problems. Just look at the lotte.priv case, they were cheating for months and when they made this selfbust journal, MAGIC they got banned from TZAC the following day.
I never trusted this software and I guess I was right, you can think what you want, I have my opinion you have yours.
and yes I know he did it for money all knows that and whats wrong with that? He didn't hide his attentions that he wants money from TZAC and even announced before that tzac might close and he would give some chance to community to make other AC. This was all announced before and we knew the incoming, dunno why some are shocked about this.
Now go sacrifice ur time in learning how to do AC, I would like to see you so trying to do this. GL!
And yeah people expecting you to give away the 2 years work for free are kinda foolish xD
but the economist are teaching us only to do something when u can earn money with it - that is the way all over the world you see same things in shops - not like in the past where in every region you could find something special
Btw look at the love in comments here, guy provides those idiots with a free anti cheat for 2 years wasting his time and now he gets flamed for it, gg.
2010 -> most loved in the community for making ac
2012 -> most hated for closing the anticheat
spending so much time in stuff for people he doesn't even know. He wasted 2 years of his life making the wrong decision by making that ac in the first place. This community is a fine example on how the world works (or how humans are), if you do stuff for free you won't gain anything. sad but true :(
Chaplja is kinda like bad luck brian now
Yep humans are very sad creatures :( but I dont really think he wasted 2 years making this (I mean its not like he spent 8 hours every day working on tzac, or is it?)
and its not me who sould woke up - i am thinking this way and helping for free where i can
and to change the not so perfect world how you called it u must start with youself
Honestly, the easiest solution was one-time activation fee via SMS (so it would work in all countries) for something very low.. but the problem is only one or two small leagues would continue using it. I'm now really tired of finding solutions. It's going down.
speedlink at first.
why would he continue it if his main motivation is money???
im pretty sure that guy can earn more money from something else, everyone got a goal in the life, got "valor" (dunno if its an english sentance)
but i don't understand why did he say that he like ET and that he is proud of supporting it and all the bullshit if he mainly did it for money???
gl
So here's a crazy idea:
Give it to someone you can trust with it (YCN?), let them continue and contractually arrange for a royalty on any revenue created from it.
Maybe it'll continue to be free and you'll get nothing (much like letting it die), but maybe they do make it earn money in which case you would get some cash here and there for doing absolutely nothing.
R.I.P ET :(
Thx for the effort tho, and gl in the future
HE IS NEVER RIGHT.
HE IS A SUBHUMAN FAGGOT.
i found it interesting, wat will you do???
Drama!
This is just the thing ET needed to definitely die.. (competitive scene..)
I dont think there will be many users using ESL Wire or that CB AC that ppl were talking about (if it wasnt troll...)...
Not even steam would safe this game..
Bye bye ET..
Love the years when i had the chance to play the best FPS-multi game ever.. R.I.P. :'(
What means new?..
I've been there since the game started...
Although i didnt play on some level (but i played the first mode,cant remember how its called...),but i watched games since the start.. And yes,i wasnt active on ETPro scene.. But i know one thing,in the years 09/10 or whatever there were so many active teams and how many are there now?...
Im not dramatic.. I will be happy,if im wrong but i dont think so...
Let's see:
Even if he worked (coding, checking bans, answering stupid questions etc.) on it about 10 (can be less, can be more, i don't know) hours per week x100 weeks(2 years) it gives 1000 hours. For each hour he should get at least 10 euro what gives us 10.000 :).
His AC can detect more cheats than pb/UAC/etc, so the amount of money, which is that AC worth can be a lot greater.
Good luck with any further project, what you talked with zodiac about ur job is sad but to be honnest, developing in valve isn't the heaven just because it's called valve, you have a shit load of companies that are paying more and provide a more entertaining kind of job with your skills. Assuming it was any difficult to code ( no offense, from my pov I didn't see any difficulty but the time spent w/o the money).
cheers, thx for ur job done on et
Sad that it ends like that, and basically makes further darker for ET.
Still it's up to you, and I hope that the community as me and other do, will understand that.
I had a few chances to talk with you and in the past,and I remember u as a nice person who willing to help,and I see people saying here thing that are not true.
Anyways,good luck man.
maybe some coop with ETLive projects, give them the TZAC with yours 50% interest. If ETLive suceed, you will make good moneyz with tzac without taking any care of it, if not then result will be exacly the same as you drop the project and let it catch the dust.
h4h4, h4
Why not transform the TZAC website into an own eSports league with a integrated anti-cheat? You can easily implement in the anticheat some new games, you can easily create a staff (even for free, like CB and ESL have) that will take care about competitions/news etc. It will start with ET/COD2/COD4 in the first month, and then will extend to other games. I'm pretty sure you could work something "premium" related that gives some income. And I'm also sure you could transform it into an international competition platform due to your knowledge. Just a short and fast idea with what you can do. I'm sure you didn't think at it. And I expect copyright rights if you are going on with this. :D
You're so smart but you know nothing about anything not related to coding.
I've been around in eSports for enough time to tell you that it's very easy to become a competitor for anyone.
It's a long shot but it will only fail if you concentrate on a single game. Like Excite did with his own "league" website. You need to make it for all games. And that's something a lot can do.
With the help of someone like Foamea who knows how things are going in esport's business you can really create serious competition for other esport;s companies.
Give it a try man.
What i could ask you as an ET player is to at least let your work be continued, but if your decision is already taken i totally understand, and wish you good luck on your future and thank you for the very nice, efficient and reliable Anticheat you provided to the community. Cheers
You couldnt make money in 2 years with slac-tzac? You should apply for a job in facebook , you would fit in there just fine!
Before reading some of the comments above i rlly thought you were some smart guy but rlly now i just think you are either acting stupid, being stupid , stubborn or all together. Rlly if the whole point of doing this AC was to make money and nothing else, the fault is yours for not being able to do it and even now, when you have the biggest chance to do it, you dont want to, its your fault.
You proven above that you dont rlly care about the community , just money, which is understandable , np. So again, if that is true i dont see how couldnt you make money out of it (Sell undetected cheats for tzac with a different aka under a random website for lets say $50 each?) Ofc thats not honest , but you could have done it and make enough money, in the cod4 scene i would say a lot of money and since no1 other than YOU (based on your comments above) knows how the detection works, well you basically had a round business ( perhaps you did?).
Even now that people offer you to buy the project , pay via sms, pay subscription, and so on you just say no "because it has potential" <<< Zzzz I am sorry but what potential could it possibly have if you discontinue it , dont share the code and just bury it? You think perhaps in the future lets say in 2 years people will even care or know what tzac was? ET will die even more unless some other AC is released but COD4 as it is still a "big game" will find another AC really easy and fast, leaving your product with 0 potential in any future. Your product and you wont be remembered at all . Well at the end it is your problem, as you said you wasted 2 years for nothing! < Just because you want it to be that way, i am sure there are ways to make money out of tzac since so many ppl use it and rely on it god i mean you could even sell the whole project to the cod4 and et community together, let some1 take over and even ask for a royalty, whatever, you are rlly close-minded in terms of making money with it, but now seeing how selfish and stubborn you are i hope no one keeps giving you ideas and tzac gets ended. Also if you dont want people to be guessing what you are going to do after, dont come here and post it in BOLD because you will just be giving people a reason to think about it, and who needs to guess? You are a cheat coder well ofc you are going to code and sell cheats, whats there to guess anyways, as i said this post by you is just attention whoring. I wont say "thanks chpljj for all xoxoxo" , because i enjoyed et when it had PB, i enjoyed et without it, i enjoyed et with tzac and i would continue to enjoy it without it and IMHO if tzac wouldnt come out something else would have in 2010 so you just wasted your time and ours for using it. Now seriously you wont give away the code because your program is malware and you are afraid of people knowing that for a fact. haha
However as someone who can code himself. I must admit:
I wouldnt work for years then just give my work away either. Id keep it for myself who knows maybe in future I could use again, If I werent getting paid enough for a great anticheat and it really was one of the best out there trust me id know. I wouldnt just give my work out either without proper revenue. Look at business point off view you spent you time making something what was solid stopped cheaters even the big names like pansemukl etc didnt even attempt to hack it.
It worked wouldnt you be a bit pissed if you didnt get the money you deserve I would be. I completely agree with chappy tbh he done something for the community and himself everything in life is about money I wouldnt do shit for free either neither would you.
Its his work he coded alone he has a right to keep it private. Its the same with bani and etpro, whats the point in making there hard work open source if hes not going to be active I kinda think he should have made it public but in other reasons I dont. The community are pricks nitrox was working on compET which was awsome coded from nothing. Was making his version of etpro with all bug fixes from the start I was working with him I have the codes to. Thing is when he give it for a test run everyone was saying dont change it blabla like pricks., People need to learn the games getting boring as it is now people are leaving or already left.
I feel I should have had a better chance in the ET scene I werent a tard like I was pretty decent and with practice could have been better I could compete with all the UK lads.But no I never got the chance, people are just playing with the old people all the time instead of giving new people opportunities its people like that why the games dying. People who deserved a chance dont get it, like goku I think he started becoming a really decent player and he didnt get the chance he deserved dno if hes still around but in the end its just boring.
compET would have been awsome it had decent features with a tiny bit better gameplay yet he got flamed all his hard work. the community are pricks theres only a few guys who are decent in ET. Thats another reason why I havnt played for over 7 months properly.
secret
are our linux days coming back :D ? nah jokes.
<3 you torm
:DDDDDDDDD would be happy but i dont play anymore as most of my friends stopped it, even the colombians just play WoW now. And i am lan proof fucker :!
Again, i am not saying he should give it away for free or for nothing, even today i open crossfire and all i see is stuff about paying for tzac. All am saying is it will be a waste of his time if he just throws the project away and does nothing with it = He wont get money, he wont be remebered..
Love u too :D
TZAC stopped cheats in cods and ET, it stopped netcoders for one and thats the biggest one I know, pansemukl refused to hack it. FOR ET AND COD
xd
I offered to buy tzac but i didnt get any reply, my point mate is that if you dont sell it, dont make money with it, and discontinue it, it will just stay there doing nothing..while ppl here in cf clearly exposed many ways he could do to get some euros for his work, finally something was agreed "thanks to peaches" whatever it means, i guess she paid more than I offered (9.500 EUR)
Bet you were too lazy to think of it or just didn't care about the money either.
I am not blaming it on you, I just couldn't figure out why not give it a try hence of what people and the leagues think of it.
Don't think they would've kept away from it for too long if at all if you only updated it regularly.
My point here was that you came back many times just because people (and the leagues?) asked for it not that YOU wanted it. Why should you do everything what people ask for? I don't find it a charity program where people get free stuff for hard work.
You really think that players visit tzac website everyday and vote for polls? LMAO. I didn't even see that poll. Never trust them, no one answers them. They just say that, because they don't want to pay for TZAC, but as you can see, when it gets closed, people would be willing to make compromises.
Why not just try SMS? 1e/validation or something?
If you want more money, give cheaters the opportunity to come back, by making new tzac ID? Link their new id with the old one(s) so people will see how many time they had to pay to come back. You get more money. If someone is so stupid to cheat and then pay for another account.. Well, you just benefit from it!
fucking knew you was always cheating I think I cummed when I seen you on the list.
Oh well pasts past I was busted years ago to so.
People change :D
But why make this useless journal? You obv dont want ppl whining about you closing it, but thats exactly what will happen if you open journals like this...
WHOS DOWN FOR SOME FUCKING JAYMOD HUH?!
And about you trying to get a job... Why not packing your bags and traveling to some great developers with your cv in your pocket - a face to face hello is much better than doing some average email sending to different devs... If you really are the right to work under valves (e.g.) wings they ll take you ... With or without a project like tzac in your background...
Gl
some of those solution ive read you said are risky, but after spending so much time on tzac you cant lose much trying something new.
gl mate
If lets say, only 40% of the people will keep using this, leagues will be forced to keep using TZAC since its a trustworthy AC.
And you'll get atleast some money to motivate you to keep the AC updated.
can't you ask for a poll on CF also?
Like the result mattered in 100k userbase
No. (28%)
Based on 394 votes.