CB and their policy of bans right now
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28 Apr 2007, 14:28
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Reading the following forum post: http://www.crossfire.nu/?x=forum&mode=item&id=5233
my first reaction was of course joy, finally some random players who keep coming back with cheats (eg.
hill) could be banned from CB. The thing that struck me then, was mens0 commenting the following:
Now watching the forum post and the demo with which mize got busted:
http://www.crossfire.nu/?x=forum&mode=item&id=1445
date: 16th October 2006
It would just be complete madness to still ban mize after such a long time. Let's take a little look at the rules of clanbase:
http://www.clanbase.com/cheating.php?
Seeing as mize presumably cheated in a friendly 3on3 prac, we can conclude the following: mize would get banned for 6 months according to the following . If mize would get banned as soon as possible which is probably immediately (16 October) this means that 6 months later his ban would have expired and he would be allowed to play on CB again. 6 months later equals 16th of April 2007 which means his ban would have expired by now.
I'm not saying a ban would be totally unjustified, I'm just saying that his ban should have been made WAY earlier so he would be allowed to play CB again right now. Following the policies on bans from CB it would be the most righteous decision to not ban him at all; furthermore I know mize had a few conversations with [CB]Adacore who according to mize told him that there will be thought about the length of his ban seeing as mize didn't get banned even after 2 months he decided to talk to one of the CB ET admins.
So what am I trying to reach here: I hope that the new C&A banner Bulld0g thinks a bit before he bans people. I know he tries to collect as much proof as possible such as a solid IP proof (is that even there in mize's case? I didn't believe so but I might be wrong) which is all very nice of course but he must think about the banning times and especially not ban people for cheating on a practice for 2 years if the CB rules state that he should only be banned for 6 months ie half a year.
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Now onto the rocky case:
looking into the latest forum thread about Bulld0g,
rhand posted the following:
This seems like utter bullshit to me as well... let's look when rocky got busted for hacks:
http://www.punksbusted.com/cgi-bin/membership/ban.cgi?par=V000EAAEE;query=Search;_accCheck=1
That's right. nov 5 2004, almost 2 and a half years ago. Why wasn't CB able to ban him back then and are willing to ban him right now even after a pretty good performance on LAN (at least what I saw from him!) and thus showing that he isn't online only? I don't know if you were about to ban him, but if you do so..
..then there are a LOT more people playing on top level which deserve a ban. Such as our almighty speedy gonsalez(o).
bibuy
my first reaction was of course joy, finally some random players who keep coming back with cheats (eg.
hill) could be banned from CB. The thing that struck me then, was mens0 commenting the following:Now watching the forum post and the demo with which mize got busted:
http://www.crossfire.nu/?x=forum&mode=item&id=1445
date: 16th October 2006
It would just be complete madness to still ban mize after such a long time. Let's take a little look at the rules of clanbase:
http://www.clanbase.com/cheating.php?
Seeing as mize presumably cheated in a friendly 3on3 prac, we can conclude the following: mize would get banned for 6 months according to the following . If mize would get banned as soon as possible which is probably immediately (16 October) this means that 6 months later his ban would have expired and he would be allowed to play on CB again. 6 months later equals 16th of April 2007 which means his ban would have expired by now.
I'm not saying a ban would be totally unjustified, I'm just saying that his ban should have been made WAY earlier so he would be allowed to play CB again right now. Following the policies on bans from CB it would be the most righteous decision to not ban him at all; furthermore I know mize had a few conversations with [CB]Adacore who according to mize told him that there will be thought about the length of his ban seeing as mize didn't get banned even after 2 months he decided to talk to one of the CB ET admins.
So what am I trying to reach here: I hope that the new C&A banner Bulld0g thinks a bit before he bans people. I know he tries to collect as much proof as possible such as a solid IP proof (is that even there in mize's case? I didn't believe so but I might be wrong) which is all very nice of course but he must think about the banning times and especially not ban people for cheating on a practice for 2 years if the CB rules state that he should only be banned for 6 months ie half a year.
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Now onto the rocky case:
looking into the latest forum thread about Bulld0g,
rhand posted the following:This seems like utter bullshit to me as well... let's look when rocky got busted for hacks:
http://www.punksbusted.com/cgi-bin/membership/ban.cgi?par=V000EAAEE;query=Search;_accCheck=1
That's right. nov 5 2004, almost 2 and a half years ago. Why wasn't CB able to ban him back then and are willing to ban him right now even after a pretty good performance on LAN (at least what I saw from him!) and thus showing that he isn't online only? I don't know if you were about to ban him, but if you do so..
..then there are a LOT more people playing on top level which deserve a ban. Such as our almighty speedy gonsalez(o).
bibuy
SO BAN MIZE!
PS. Stop protecting cheaters you fucktard.
It is not bcz they are med+/high you should protect him.
They wanted to cheat, let them feel the consequences --> ban for 1 year.
No?
rocky was crap most of the lan wasnt he?
moesten ze iedereeen bannen die ooit gecheat heeft , ben ik nog maar de enigste in de community dusja...
I know which ban you are going on about and there is no need to have any files. It was a evenbalance pbhack kick. I spoke to Evenbalance to verify its validity and its 100% an attempt from that IP to mess with PB Anticheat software. Am i supposed to say sorry you have it wrong and it was just an error hes really a nice guy he couldnt possibly cheat. Then the whole system itself would be even more laughable than it already is.
Im sorry that your friend will be banned maybe you should chose them more wisely!
I for one do know that that message is bullshit and doesnt say anything, I therefore do not trust you at all with being in such a position, since you have many people rightfully disliking your attitude and socalled proof, you will just go picking out the smallest errors.
If you can tell me what the message means and what exactly he got kicked for(messing with pb... right nev is such a pro coder)
Its not a witch hunt !!
but cant talk you out of this anyway, gl with finding more solid proof like this.
http://www.punksbusted.com/cgi-bin/membership/ban.cgi?par=V0085651D;query=Search;_accCheck=1
just look at the amount of times he got kicked for it, constantly reconnecting because he didnt know what was going on, and when he reinstalls drivers it suddenly goes away.
really.. I just totally agree =)
Are u joking or what :D ?
his performance was the poorest the Lan had :P
and I don't care when they suffer their bans as long as they do suffer them.
ok I was joking now... but in earnest his performance was really bad compared to how he plays online
I heard he got acc 20 and like 1 hs per round in every game
Here I am!
i dont get that
Imo Clanbase should pay fireball to travel through europe to headnut all cheaters.
there r so many known players who r cheating and they r lauhghin for sure right now. :(
too bad u can't caught them all..
"oh noes my friend is getting banned cos he cheated 2k4". he surely asked CB to ban him earlier so there wouldnt be any probs in future, didnt he?
I cant see the problem, he cheated, he knew the consequenses(?), he gets banned
the .avi about rocky on radar is similar with agrippas hax-trailer (an obvious aimbot on tc_base), changing targets all the time, that's why I think he hax and deserves to be banned [went little off topic]
real reply: yes, any others you've been complaining about?
we all know that CB is slow to ban anyone tho there have been few expections (to show that CB is doing something against cheaters imo), you, mize and rocky must have been spamming CB admins to ban rocky and mize asap so there wouldnt be any unwanted suprises in future!
btw what do u need to proof that someone is a cheater?
yawn warnings, demo, different ip's??
because i dunno. :/
i allso heard (still havent speced him), that he own online.. so..dunno :<
rumours rumours..
Ban mize maybe he regred he cheated but I dont care. He should be threated like all the others, many have been banned for hacks that are on pbbans from like 1 year ago so please this is bullshit. Go defend some more cheaters pls.
All of a suden you care about clanbase hacks, stop protecting mize he will get what he deserves.
Iedereen heeft zo zn vriendjes , en niet iedereen is op tijd gebanned, maar in de 1ste plaats was het wel fout wat ie deed..
but it seems it's still not enough proof to bust him. :/
but the current rules are for 6months and a year
sooo since mize already didnt play for 6 months dont see why he should get banned
its summer, he can do other things for 6 months
no one can deny that demo as proof
(even mize himself said it's him with wh)
Lol? That doesn't matter as he used a wallhack which is a cheat. There are a lot of examples with situations in real life that starts as a joke but then doesn't end as they like =)
He deserves his ban, but maybe it's a bit late to still ban him.
He wasn't allowed to play last EC.
Next time if he cheats to quit ET, he shouldn't come back. Pathetic guy.
And it's
1. Demo (no guids or /guids in demo)
2. Yawn on the server (yawn only showed he was there not player number)
My point is im sure it was him but if you went to court for instance its all circumstancial evidence. He wasn't banned at the time and im sure he wont be this time.
Although we know different, anyone can /name Mize and make a demo without hard evidence its impossible to prove it was actually him.
And lets just ignore the things we know plz.
np4CB
one more cheater who isnt banned
and also i can't see how people still play with him or cheaters in general, alexl etc
rocky is worser then worse, didn't even see him track once like he does online, don't fool yourself, I propose that you first spec some demos of his online performance and then watch a demo from the lan.
Happy that atleast someone agrees with me here btw!