What about this?

by aeq • 30 Jun 2007, 15:12 • Journals
I was thinking...

Some time ago someone showed me how a bot works by playing against me on valhalla. He changed the rate of how much the aim would be mechanical or seem to be.. aimfov or something. This all worked perfectly fine ofcourse untill at some times the bot would randomly aim to a point in the sky where it saw a hitbox. As this was a hitbox it would identify this as a target making the player switching automatically to this box.
My point is: Why dont we make hitboxes throughout all the maps so that the autoaiming thingies will aim at those? Making it harder for the humanized aimbots to be effective?
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Xzz 30 Jun 2007, 16:14
smartass
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ILLY-YA 30 Jun 2007, 16:15
ye and they should be randomly floating around and moving like invisible opponents..
errr right.
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rahula 30 Jun 2007, 16:15
you know how much work that would take? nice idea, but maybe impractical
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Pho3niX 30 Jun 2007, 16:16
o shut up and get in tank
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v1ech 30 Jun 2007, 16:19
nice idea
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Sup3r 30 Jun 2007, 16:20
Nice idea
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de4 30 Jun 2007, 16:21
lol place opponents in the sky :p
great idea
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Dizortje 30 Jun 2007, 16:22
nice idea =]
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h4desz 30 Jun 2007, 16:24
post it at splashdamage forums maybe someone cares to make a mod ^^
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virtu 30 Jun 2007, 16:25
I agree with you & it's the best idea so far against cheaters

BUT

now it's published & cheaters will wait for such a release and noone will be busted, because they'll hide it or something like that! They will improve their hax 'n stuff...
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pala 30 Jun 2007, 16:59
they wont be able to do anything since the hitboxes of the skys will be the same of the hitboxes of the players, so they might get screwd
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plekter 30 Jun 2007, 16:26
Nice idea, but i think the botmakers won't have much of a problem changing this behaviour. They already have e.g. chams, which proofs that they have other ways to figure out where the players are located. I think there's already a lot of aimbots that aim for the player models, and not the hitboxes.

And since ET knows where the players are, the bots could just find out the same way that ET finds out; by reading the network traffic..
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Sheep 30 Jun 2007, 16:26
they would just produce a bot that doesnt recognise hitboxes over a set height
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cheasy 30 Jun 2007, 16:28
then put them at the walls and stuff?
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Testi 30 Jun 2007, 16:36
if u put them at walls, it could also happen tht u think u shoot the player, but u hit just a wall :P
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cheasy 30 Jun 2007, 16:37
only the retards will :)
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h4desz 30 Jun 2007, 16:41
you can make them unhitable but visible by adding a weapon clip around them
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Testi 30 Jun 2007, 16:42
tht would be nice :D
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Viax 1 Jul 2007, 18:47
aimbots dont aim behind walls, how would that help?
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aeq 30 Jun 2007, 16:30
that indeed would be the way out.. just place bodies in the map inside boxes so that normal players wont shoot at it but the bots would?
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Sheep 30 Jun 2007, 16:31
then they will claim theyve played too much css lately!

but its a good idea actually, they wouldnt be able to tell if it was a "fake" or not...
put these hitboxes as a full model in a crouch position inside the box for example, if they shoot thinking its behind...

busted!
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aeq 30 Jun 2007, 16:33
yes, thats my point :>
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Sheep 30 Jun 2007, 16:36
i meant shoot = track btw, or act suspiciously around that particular box
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h3ll 30 Jun 2007, 16:32
i bet they will code something which makes their aimfov just better and if u attack it it will lock to the target u'r attacking :P

+ if someone can make some 'fake' hitboxes for ET, i bet there will be a coder who can seperate real and fake hitboxes too.
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huggoo 30 Jun 2007, 17:09
Well , but the old bots will be busted , and cheaters have to buy new hacks so it is pretty nice idea.
It helps for a little while atleast!
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h3ll 30 Jun 2007, 17:33
True, and to make sure those old cheaters wont come back the community should do more with ip addresses imo, even tho some have dynamic ip's..
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teente 30 Jun 2007, 16:27
xDDDDDD
Then they would say something like: hey I was trying to find where that floating hitbox was! xDDDDD
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ILLY-YA 30 Jun 2007, 16:32
no, they would say my brother (on unsecured wireless network off course) tried to find out where floating hitboxes were!
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pala 30 Jun 2007, 17:01
or, i tought i saw superman!
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Cya 30 Jun 2007, 16:27
nice idea idd
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h8m3 30 Jun 2007, 16:28
impossible imo
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darnok 30 Jun 2007, 16:29
impossible is nothing m8 !
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Matias 30 Jun 2007, 16:29
haha :D. you will get acc when u shoot the sky! np4me
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darnok 30 Jun 2007, 16:30
im getting acc without shooting the sky, np4me2
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dejx 30 Jun 2007, 16:31
fuck you sherlock :D
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Spree 30 Jun 2007, 16:32
nice idea, only it won't work.
you'll have to make a slight change to the random hitboxes, otherwise it would give you acc too if you're shooting @ 'em. Also, if an opponent would be hiding behind such a block, you wouldn't be able to hit him. That slight change in the code can already be recognised by a cheating program, if programmed like this...
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cheasy 30 Jun 2007, 16:34
who cares about the fucking stats?
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Spree 30 Jun 2007, 16:36
ehrm, lotsa ppl?
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pala 30 Jun 2007, 17:02
so you care to have more acc stats than having solutions for hax0rs?
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Spree 30 Jun 2007, 17:23
nah, but I don't want one to suffer from another, there has to be another solution...
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pala 30 Jun 2007, 17:27
we need to revive sherlock
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Vindicator 30 Jun 2007, 18:11
Well, someone said that you could make them unhittable by adding a weapon clip around them, so that's not exactly the problem.
Also, if you put them in walls and boxes (ofc not floating randomly over the map :P), then nobody can hide behind them ;-)
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Deactivated7001 30 Jun 2007, 16:35
That wouldn't work.
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Sheep 30 Jun 2007, 16:37
and why not?
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Deactivated7001 30 Jun 2007, 16:43
Lets imagine there is a medskilled player with a cheat. His aim is quite ok, but not better than med. He starts to cheat and enables the humanized aim setting. The aimbot is usually set that it aims very very slow to the head of your enemy. But it gives you a very big advantage. But the slowness is the reason that it is very hard to notice. It would aim so slowly to the spot that it wouldn't be noticeable.

A random hitbox in the air wouldn't have any effect as the aimbot aims to the closest hitbox. And that's usually the enemy and not the random box in the air. And there are a few ways to avoid these random hitboxes, so an easy update would solve the problem.
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pala 30 Jun 2007, 17:04
and how you know all this? you tested it once?
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Deactivated7001 30 Jun 2007, 17:16
You don't need to test it to know that. You can read that in any forum.
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pala 30 Jun 2007, 17:16
"k"
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Deactivated7001 30 Jun 2007, 17:18
That's so absurd lol. That's the pure logic and u can read it even on their forum.
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pala 30 Jun 2007, 17:27
what ever, i got a ban because i cheated 2 years ago..and it's becuase i didnt knew et is played without cheats tought -.- (my first online game)
if you think its bullshit you can see on yawn that when my firs guides created i had warnings...
why 6 months ban on a simple mistake? and 2 years delay?
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Deactivated7001 30 Jun 2007, 18:17
That's a completly another topic. Where is the relation? And this topic were discussed more than enough already.
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pala 30 Jun 2007, 18:19
i just had to talk with some cheat buster like you or bulldog..
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Deactivated7001 30 Jun 2007, 18:20
Aha. The punishment is not up to us.
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pala 30 Jun 2007, 18:22
to who i need to talk to clear some stuffs?
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Deactivated7001 30 Jun 2007, 18:24
Ehm you have to talk to the Leagueadmins. But I guess there is nothing to clear up as it's clearly proven that u cheated.
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pala 30 Jun 2007, 18:26
cheated 2 years ago? 6 months ban?
it's also proved that i cheated when i first played et
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Deactivated7001 30 Jun 2007, 18:28
lol what does it matter? Cheatbans never get outdated.
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pala 30 Jun 2007, 18:29
they dont even care about a 2 years fully clean without warning or anything...you did a mistake your fucked?
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Deactivated7001 30 Jun 2007, 18:31
Of course. When you kill someone, but never will do it afterwards you still get punished.
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pala 30 Jun 2007, 18:33
in the reallife punishemnts depends on time & what made, dont say some bullshit
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Deactivated7001 30 Jun 2007, 18:36
Same goes for the inet. And u cheated. You even admit that. So where is ur problem?
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pala 30 Jun 2007, 18:39
the proble mis the time, i did accept the ban(punishment) but the banTIME should be diffrent to the made, for example:

cheating on public -> 3 months
cheaing on wars -> 6 months
comeback from ban -> 12 months
cheating again after ban..120 months

or just something like that, time ban depends on the situation...
it's humans ideal to be curious
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Deactivated7001 30 Jun 2007, 18:40
There is something like that. =>
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pala 30 Jun 2007, 18:44
hah, millions of players for banned for 6 months for playing in wars...
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Deactivated7001 30 Jun 2007, 18:50
Where? Bring on 1 single valid proof that someone cheated in an official war, who is banned 4 6 months.
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pala 30 Jun 2007, 18:53
mhm i havent been writing, but i will get back and see
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Boese 30 Jun 2007, 16:35
nice idea...
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wEAKold 30 Jun 2007, 16:43
ppl will know where tose hitboxes are after some time and shoot them for getting more dmg, couldnt get any more unfair :-<
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Vindicator 30 Jun 2007, 18:12
You can make the hitboxes unhittable, but still visible ;-)
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jetro 30 Jun 2007, 17:02
just imagine jaN & Scorch tracking clouds for 15 minutes :l

edit: most nCbots will prolly be adapted to shit like this. And if they are not, they will be, believe me :p!
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naga 23 Jul 2007, 23:40
Imo new aimbot versions will deal with the radomly placed hitboxes, since they won't be movable objects, they'll stay in one place the whole map.

Bots will be programed to aim only in the targets which change position through out the game.

The question is how long will it take the bot programers to program the bots to differ real hitboxes from it's fake static equivalent.
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sarcasm 30 Jun 2007, 17:03
Only the old or crappy aimbots aim at the closest possible opponent. Now it aims at whatever guy you want to shoot. Sometimes however you will notice bugs, but they're rather rare (with the right settings).
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sybren1000 30 Jun 2007, 17:25
errrmm.. don't know..
cheaters will probably also know where the fake hitboxes are, for e.g, like was said above by putting a fake ennemy in a box, so that the guy would think that it's a real ennemy, the botters will be familiar with it too, so i don't think they'd fall for that...

maybe it could work if you keep advancing it... just work in that direction, maybe you'll find something. Show your idea to Splash or something, anyways good work
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Mztik 30 Jun 2007, 17:40
thing is most humanised aim is key binded, goes to the closest hitbox, so i'm assuming when they see an enemy they target someone near them, then they use their humanised aim key and then begin tracking well, this wouldn't work as they'd be pointing at the person not the hitbox.
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funkY 30 Jun 2007, 18:04
ye and howabout placing figures inside the walls so the guy with wh sees a guy behind a wall even if there isnt.. but without wh u cant see the figure coz its inside the wall.. it would atleast confuse wallhackers.. when they see 10000000 ET-players everywhere :o
or is this possible? ..

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sandi 30 Jun 2007, 18:24
that would suck for wh users :D
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funkY 30 Jun 2007, 18:05
and btw hello mztik! i said that u will come back to ET.. and u did.
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abort 30 Jun 2007, 18:06
lmao @ the nice idea... with more knowledge about coding you'd probably understand the reason.
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aeq 30 Jun 2007, 22:33
Inform me, since I obviously know nothing about coding :)
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schNee 30 Jun 2007, 20:21
very nice idea.
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reya1p 30 Jun 2007, 22:31
You don't seem to understand how the game or the cheats work. Making suggestions from that position is fairly pointless.
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aeq 30 Jun 2007, 22:36
... Only an idea :P
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walle 1 Jul 2007, 01:01
nice idea
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krisse 26 Jul 2007, 02:08
yap nice idea :p
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