My view of "fair" is based on the pure fact that recreating the same situation as before is the best for the game. Your view of fair is to restart the game because the attacking team _might_ set the same time again. I really dont get your logic. :/
et is based on lotto, what i mean with lotto, changing one point of the game can fuck up everything(advantages and disadvantages). if they just resetted it would be fair, cause d. breached true with lotto and teamplay turn the table and look in tlr's view as axis, they could have holded it with lotto and won the map. i cant really explain it in english:<
Yes of course its based on lotto. Ever team got a sertain chance to beat another team. But when a round starts both teams agree (for the sake of saving time) to let that round and that round only decide what team that can be considerd winners.
By recreateing 20% of the map only 80% will be a new round, this is better than replaying 100% right?
Its all opinions we're dealing with here, we will never come to an agreement, just understanding of the other parts view on the matter. I understand your point of view since long and I hope you can understand mine because I really dont want to discuss it much further.
So rules should be followed because they are rules even if the rules are flawed or created for situations not similiar to the situation you are currently in? Are you a highschool teacher or something?
the rules should be followed. If the rules don't fit in the situation, edit them AFTER the match. This is just not fair for TLR. Ofcourse, dignitas would have a disadvantage if they would have restarted, but rules are rules
Advantage? Who the fuck said something about that? WHATS MOST FAIR is was Im talking about. :) I could reply with "how is restarting the map good for dignitas?"
actually I'm talking about OUR discussion. I said my opinion and I sure hope twidi (or any other admin) is gonna do something about the rules now. Of course I understand your opinion too, but rules are rules and twidi kinda ignored them. Now I'm going to watch some more tv so replying won't help since I won't respond for one week (holiday ;) )
Lotix, n/o, but you would suck so hard in hosting a cup.
If the rules say : 'Restart when the server chrashes, then you reset, and dont think about smth 'what could be the most fair'".
and dont give me another "rules are rules", I want a logic awnser to why its always better to follow rules even if there is a really easy and really obvious way to make the game more fair.
*oh and trust me, I would be the best damn admin you'd ever seen :)
You dont cause of the fact that as admin, you need something to get some back up, named rules. If you dont use them properly, they can be used against you and if you use them at a moment, but not on another, then you are stupid.
Youre right. Where do you draw the line between "we can recreate it" and "we restart it"? The fact is that we cant do that and in some way it flaws my argument that the ref should decide when to do it and when not do because it could, in the long run, become a problem. However I still think letting the ref decide weights heavier since those problems are so rare.
Also Ive focused my discussion on this particular round and the thing I had the most problem with was tlr's obvious attempts to go with the solution that would favor them most, not the one that made most sense.
I don't know if that's sarcams or what... but every single competition has the same rules about the cointoss afair, and now it suddendly changes.
And that we were forced to spawn back and let them plant at 13.30 was hillarious really, I wonder what would have happen if we were the first team attacking.
just my 2cents, but i think you are not objective because your friend mAus is in TLR, imo arguements like omg TLR had to spawn back because it was dignitas is foolish, although you are right, reset would've been right
Beeing pretty sure about the attitude of the dignitas players Im 100% they would act as you did... but now its you who did it, not them. :)
I would have no problem seeing you arguing that it would be the best thing to follow the rules and just restart the map... if it wasnt for the fact that the only reason you did it was because it would favour you more than dignitas. Try to get that.
You played like shit so who cares what happened. Maybe you were going to lose anyway. Dont know about rules but plant @ 13.30 was right decision and you got time to put mines and every medic got ammo etc
If there is one thing I really like with a ref is seeing him doing whats most fair for both teams instead of pulling his nose deep down in a book to see what some other guy wrote in an attempt to cover every single situation that can occur during a game.
they should have atleast told about the way the coin toss works, since it wasnt specified in the rules, except announcing 'General rules considering the gameplay will be the same as in ClanBase.'
but everyone is flaming kamz
idiot
Anyway, nice writting the rules as it pleases you twidi, best cup ever.
By recreateing 20% of the map only 80% will be a new round, this is better than replaying 100% right?
Its all opinions we're dealing with here, we will never come to an agreement, just understanding of the other parts view on the matter. I understand your point of view since long and I hope you can understand mine because I really dont want to discuss it much further.
One day I hope I'll reach your level.
If the rules say : 'Restart when the server chrashes, then you reset, and dont think about smth 'what could be the most fair'".
Expecting some mTz guys flaming on me...
and dont give me another "rules are rules", I want a logic awnser to why its always better to follow rules even if there is a really easy and really obvious way to make the game more fair.
*oh and trust me, I would be the best damn admin you'd ever seen :)
I hope you can get an insight now.
Also Ive focused my discussion on this particular round and the thing I had the most problem with was tlr's obvious attempts to go with the solution that would favor them most, not the one that made most sense.
When you should recreate the rule : after the match.
Well, yea, on the ref part, you got my point, so I'll stop for now =).
And that we were forced to spawn back and let them plant at 13.30 was hillarious really, I wonder what would have happen if we were the first team attacking.
im referring to our ec match vs 141
I would have no problem seeing you arguing that it would be the best thing to follow the rules and just restart the map... if it wasnt for the fact that the only reason you did it was because it would favour you more than dignitas. Try to get that.
<3 twidi n1 admin :)
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Can't be!
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