nice internetpoker!

by zifff • 5 Dec 2007, 11:19 • Journals
my cards 9h3h, in bigblind no raising preflop ...

flop 9 9 3

guy raises very low, i smoothcall

turn 5

same guy raises 15 times bigblind, i reraise him all in, he calls
he shows 9 5, GG

river: another useless 3

cYa @ 5$
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bullvox 5 Dec 2007, 11:29
you sir... got ownd :)
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Rafiki 5 Dec 2007, 11:47
thx for the money! Was enjoying my time with you on ventrilo
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vila 5 Dec 2007, 12:23
why doesn't it surprise me people like you call it a game of luck
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FaTTony 5 Dec 2007, 12:29
thats online poker ... shitty softwares to collect as much money as possible
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vila 5 Dec 2007, 12:32
wrong again
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fusen 5 Dec 2007, 12:38
it's been proven that in the long term, it requires skill.

play 3 hands and it's luck, play 300 hands and use poker as your main source of income = skill
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m!das 5 Dec 2007, 12:45
ofc but without the luck the skill wont help you to win anything!
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Kristoffersson 5 Dec 2007, 13:25
Cant understand neither you nor FDJ. Over a longer period of time, say 50000 hands, the "luck" has even out among the players and the more skilled one got the most money. Any of you touched the field of statistics before? Even on a basic level?
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Ronner 5 Dec 2007, 14:10
amen.. but hey!! FDJ had game theory at university so he must be right!!! *duh*
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vila 5 Dec 2007, 12:43
then how do you explain it that on the final tables of wsop the 5 same people keep getting there above 15000 other ones?
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rAs_ 5 Dec 2007, 13:23
lol stupid comment!
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rAs_ 5 Dec 2007, 13:25
luck and badluck negate each other on a long timerange oO
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rize 5 Dec 2007, 13:41
true, thats right, good poker players have some experience and use maths to know their chances if its possible in one or another way, but the most important factor is based on psychology of the player and his cards of course. Thats why if ur good u can always lose, if ur opponent have better cards.
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vila 5 Dec 2007, 14:01
untrue , if you are a strong psychologist player you can confuse other players you will win , eventually the hands will come . You can most certainly win with bad cards
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rize 5 Dec 2007, 14:11
and if u play onlinepoker, so where is phychologie?
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vila 5 Dec 2007, 17:26
just won 37.50 $ with luck i guess
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Ronner 5 Dec 2007, 14:05
QuoteI've had game theory at university


You've had game theory. The keyword here is "theory" since it's quite apparent you know jack shit about poker in practice if you simply call it nothing but a game of luck.

Besides that you should find yourself a different university if they teach you such crap as poker is nothing but luck.

Would you have said that luck is a factor in poker, then you would be right.

Only with an endless pit of money making it possible to call every raise and bet done in the game could you say that it's a game of luck. Since there is no endless pit of money the factor of skill becomes quite more apparent than the factor of luck.

Really, after your "there is nothing erotic about a woman's vagina" comment, this is about the 2nd dumbest thing you've said so far. (oooh.. apart from the "I'm sorry, I think we picked the wrong appartment" stuttering towards mav :P)
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Ronner 5 Dec 2007, 14:12
nice ignoring the last part of his statement.

"the "luck" has even out among the players and the more skilled one got the most money."
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rize 5 Dec 2007, 14:15
and the most skilled one will ever lose his money, even if he is good at poker if he doesnt stop at the right moment
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Ronner 5 Dec 2007, 14:21
You really dont get it.

The most skilled ones win tournaments. In poker, most hands aren't even shown on the table. The win is already been done without any card being shown. That is not a matter of luck, that's a matter of skill. Making your opponent doubt his possibility to win the hand is what it's about. There is a factor of luck ofcourse, but it's quite smaller than the factor of skill.
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rize 5 Dec 2007, 14:31
yes but with this luck u can be ruined with only one game, if u risk much with having good cards and ur opponent have better cards and risk the same.
So where is the strategy then?
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Ronner 5 Dec 2007, 14:35
Welcome to poker. It's a game of psychology, math and some luck. You have to be able to read your opponent and trying to understand his way of playing so that you are prepared for his next moves.

You have poker players that can call someone's hand on the spot because of the way they play the hand. That's not luck that's skill, and that's what the game is about. Some players fold cards of which most of us would be like wtf?". That's skill. Knowing how to conserve your chips so that you make it to the end of the tourney. and sure, a lucky hand might dump a skilled player out of a tournament, just as much as a lucky nade could kill a high-skilled player, but in the long run skill will prevail over luck.
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rize 5 Dec 2007, 14:43
u cant understand it, there cant be long rounds, coz u dont have much money, that means u have to understand how ur opponent is playing in only some few games. And thats impossible. Just imagine some combination where u r sure u have good cards and ur opponent have better cards and u lose and lose. So u had bad day and lost all of ur money. And if u risk all of ur money without having good cards, u still dont know how ur opponent will react, coz he still can have good cards what u cant know, and i saw this shit on tv like i saw how players were risking all their money without having good cards and winning with it, but its still luck, coz u cant know the cards of ur opponent and his reaction, even if u would know the cards of ur opponent, u still dont know how he will react.
What i wanna say with it is the luck is very important in this game.
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Ronner 5 Dec 2007, 14:45
again you are talking about one hand only. poker is not played in one hand. Sure if you put all your money into one hand all the time, each and every hand you play, then yes it's nothing but luck.

eod for me. it's a useless discussion.
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rize 5 Dec 2007, 14:46
oki :) gl to win 1 million Euro xD
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Ronner 5 Dec 2007, 14:54
im not skilled in poker nor et, so :P
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vila 5 Dec 2007, 17:38
all luck i guess? http://youtube.com/watch?v=4mwcgwC35bc&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=E0D1nbXC3ew&feature=related

+ the fact that some players can predict other players hands is luck either i guess
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Kristoffersson 5 Dec 2007, 14:15
Um no in both roulette and dice, in the long run you go broke. This is because you cant gain any skill and thus wont gain an advantage. In poker a person with skill will always beat the person without skill in the long run. Since the short run is irrelevant in all games surely you must agree that poker is a game of skill since that is all that it comes down to over a great number of hands. Saying that everything evens out when you can see good players roll over bad or midskilled players over and over and over again no matter where you go to watch is just ridiculous. I wont make any further comments on the matter it just seems like you're trolling because you've lost money on the game.
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m!das 5 Dec 2007, 14:22
but you can lose a whole tournament because just one day of bad luck!
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Kristoffersson 5 Dec 2007, 14:31
Same fucking thing in football. Every shot a player makes will randomly hit something. The better you get, the greater the chance of hitting the correct place. Just like poker.
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rize 5 Dec 2007, 14:36
in football u can shoot 90 minutes long, in poker u can lose ur money in only 1 round
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Kristoffersson 5 Dec 2007, 14:59
And win it back in the next. The variation is bigger in poker, but in the end the best man wins - just like in football.
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m!das 5 Dec 2007, 14:37
in football is (by optimal circumstances) no luck included! the better team win ofc if its raining or the footballfield is totaly fucked up it can be lucky but thats not usual!

afaik there is a definition which means "every card game in which you dont play with all cards of a set is based on luck" that doesnt mean there is no skill inclueded but still you need the luck i mentioned above!
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Kristoffersson 5 Dec 2007, 14:41
Are you for real? So if a game that happens to play out 1-0 for team A was repeated an infinite amount of times team A would still always win?

*"(by optimal circumtances)"!? No such thing exists.
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m!das 5 Dec 2007, 14:45
no thats not my point! but they were on this day the better team! (more skill on this day because of maybe more prac or did less mistakes, etc.)

but if the team b trains harder or are in a better form (illness,mental condition or smth) on the next day then team B will win the next match!

thats my point!
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Ronner 5 Dec 2007, 14:27
The luck factor in poker is surely there, but to say it's 50+ percent is simply downright ridiculous.

It's a game of math and psychology with a bit of luck involved.
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Ronner 5 Dec 2007, 14:38
See, now you make it as if I said it has no luck involved whatsoever.

You started this non-sense by saying "Someone beat you in a game of luck, doh." which simply implies you find it nothing but a game of luck.

I merely state that it's not just a game of luck but more so a game of skill with a bit of luck involved.

eod on my side imo.
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Kristoffersson 5 Dec 2007, 14:40
In both football and poker luck is one of the things that can change and will change the outcome. Its just more obvious in one of them. You still got the facts right in front of you, the players who are good at poker win much much more than they lose. There's not just a few examples prooving this, there are millions of people.
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vila 5 Dec 2007, 17:28
Big players don't lose tournaments on bad cards , they lose it on bad calls or being outplayed.
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SneeK_ 5 Dec 2007, 17:31
true

But luck evens out , thus the better player will ALWAYS win in the long run

u are just 2 retarded to win any game , so u condemn it


http://video.aol.com/video-detail/mike-sexton-makes-sick-call-against-matusow/1079168448 THAT is skill
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SneeK_ 5 Dec 2007, 23:37
yep it's SKILL
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vila 5 Dec 2007, 23:39
Your lack of intelligence has just reached it's highest level.
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