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sorry to post that link but you have to read what he posted :X
cant paste cause of many pictures in the thread...
if its not allowed to post that link delete the journal but dont ban me please :/
*admin delete*plz dont post links to their site:))
Statement in Copy&Paste, thanks to PuuIt's been said over and over again: Punkbuster is always right, defensive and will never cause false positives...
...netCoders is proud to finally prove the opposite!
The inability of Punkbuster to detect private cheats has never been questioned - at least from our side. From my perspective looking back on the last 5 years all I can say is that any action from Evenbalance did not severely harm the cheat community.
Instead, the honest player is harassed to play PB games with administration privileges (while Microsoft introduces a more strict model on Vista), local disk drives are scanned and a critical RING0 spyware driver has to be installed. The sad thing is: None of these inconvenient things improved Punkbuster's ability to stop cheating.
These are facts. Another myth yet to be busted is: Punkbuster never fails, if you get kicked then you're a punk. You don't stand a chance to prove the opposite. Nobody would believe you at all. Not even Evenbalance. Filing a support ticket reveals the arrogance and self-assurance of a monoplist that has nothing to fear:
Well you wont feel sorry for the guy cheating. But was he? Yes he was you'll say... that's the only answer to that question. But Im sorry to teach you better: He wasn't! How can I tell? Well... (yes crossfire)
IT WAS US!
Do we have a fat grin smiley here? It's a special day!
Now how did we manage to do that? Quite easy... Punkbuster - desperate to get our private cheats detected, thought it might be a good idea to randomly sniff any PC's physical (!!!) memory. Basically it's acting like a virus-scanner trying to find blacklisted sequences of bytes found in cheat files. Which isn't not even a bad idea - it's just been used badly. Give a monkey a gun and he shoots himself. Don't blame the gun...
First of all I was surprised to find my private chat aswell as passwords (paypal/online banking/...) just everything inside PnkBstrB's process memory. Thanks to helios for pointing me to this.
Do you know what PB is doing with that data? Do you trust them? Of couse you do. Punkbuster never fails. I don't trust them. So I kept digging deeper. After a while I found out what rsHook got detected for: Some noob leaked the files to Punkbuster. As they couldn't manage to reverse or crack them, they've just added some random string to their signature blacklist.
Neither Rainer nor I could believe what's happening here. All it takes to get kicked is to have these sequences of bytes in a computer's memory, and you will get kicked for #80332, even without hacks!!! That exploit ... no let's call it by it's real name:
GIGANTIC STUPIDITY of Evenbalance
was asking to be exploited. As such we started looking into almost any Punkbuster game and found similar strings. Of course we could not resist to try this on a couple of servers and different games - with surprising results: We were able to kick players from almost any Punkbuster game for different violations.
Where's Punkbuster's defensive attitude here? To yield to despair? If those signature violations you people over in Texas made such a blown-up secret about (#Gamehack, #Multihack, #Aimbot) would be handled with precaution, just like the Corrupted Memory (fried RAM VS memory patch), thousands and thousands of CDKEYs wouldn't be banned and wasted for now!
In other words: YOUR FALSE POSITIVES already caused thousands of innocent people to be banned! Just imagine how many cdkeys have been wasted on Call of Duty 4 already because of that bug? Well alot of keys went down the lavatory eversince we found out, that's for sure
Oh well what a nice story... I still don't believe a single word you're saying. That guy might have cheated...
We expected that. Who believes punks anyhow. We are the bad guys. So here's another "proof of concept" you will find more difficult to explain: Today we decided to put this up to public after having fun with it for a couple of month. So we chose our beloved friends at crossfire.nu (revenge is sweet, isn't it) to help us out. People wont trust us, but them. They're loyal.
So we put up one of our signatures and send it as a message to their IRC master channel. Soon, more than 300 players got kicked for #80332.
Crossfire 3.0 - A Gaming Community - powered by Game-Hosting.com
Crossfire 3.0 - A Gaming Community - powered by Game-Hosting.com
Game over.
Evenbalance will disable these scans or at least remove critical signatures quickly. If you cannot reproduce our results, dont worry. We have all the proof. Punkbuster might fix the terrible mistake, but there is no fix to the damage of it's reputation.
sorry to post that link but you have to read what he posted :X
cant paste cause of many pictures in the thread...
if its not allowed to post that link delete the journal but dont ban me please :/
*admin delete*plz dont post links to their site:))
Statement in Copy&Paste, thanks to PuuIt's been said over and over again: Punkbuster is always right, defensive and will never cause false positives...
...netCoders is proud to finally prove the opposite!
The inability of Punkbuster to detect private cheats has never been questioned - at least from our side. From my perspective looking back on the last 5 years all I can say is that any action from Evenbalance did not severely harm the cheat community.
Instead, the honest player is harassed to play PB games with administration privileges (while Microsoft introduces a more strict model on Vista), local disk drives are scanned and a critical RING0 spyware driver has to be installed. The sad thing is: None of these inconvenient things improved Punkbuster's ability to stop cheating.
These are facts. Another myth yet to be busted is: Punkbuster never fails, if you get kicked then you're a punk. You don't stand a chance to prove the opposite. Nobody would believe you at all. Not even Evenbalance. Filing a support ticket reveals the arrogance and self-assurance of a monoplist that has nothing to fear:
Well you wont feel sorry for the guy cheating. But was he? Yes he was you'll say... that's the only answer to that question. But Im sorry to teach you better: He wasn't! How can I tell? Well... (yes crossfire)
IT WAS US!
Do we have a fat grin smiley here? It's a special day!
Now how did we manage to do that? Quite easy... Punkbuster - desperate to get our private cheats detected, thought it might be a good idea to randomly sniff any PC's physical (!!!) memory. Basically it's acting like a virus-scanner trying to find blacklisted sequences of bytes found in cheat files. Which isn't not even a bad idea - it's just been used badly. Give a monkey a gun and he shoots himself. Don't blame the gun...
First of all I was surprised to find my private chat aswell as passwords (paypal/online banking/...) just everything inside PnkBstrB's process memory. Thanks to helios for pointing me to this.
Do you know what PB is doing with that data? Do you trust them? Of couse you do. Punkbuster never fails. I don't trust them. So I kept digging deeper. After a while I found out what rsHook got detected for: Some noob leaked the files to Punkbuster. As they couldn't manage to reverse or crack them, they've just added some random string to their signature blacklist.
Neither Rainer nor I could believe what's happening here. All it takes to get kicked is to have these sequences of bytes in a computer's memory, and you will get kicked for #80332, even without hacks!!! That exploit ... no let's call it by it's real name:
GIGANTIC STUPIDITY of Evenbalance
was asking to be exploited. As such we started looking into almost any Punkbuster game and found similar strings. Of course we could not resist to try this on a couple of servers and different games - with surprising results: We were able to kick players from almost any Punkbuster game for different violations.
Where's Punkbuster's defensive attitude here? To yield to despair? If those signature violations you people over in Texas made such a blown-up secret about (#Gamehack, #Multihack, #Aimbot) would be handled with precaution, just like the Corrupted Memory (fried RAM VS memory patch), thousands and thousands of CDKEYs wouldn't be banned and wasted for now!
In other words: YOUR FALSE POSITIVES already caused thousands of innocent people to be banned! Just imagine how many cdkeys have been wasted on Call of Duty 4 already because of that bug? Well alot of keys went down the lavatory eversince we found out, that's for sure
Oh well what a nice story... I still don't believe a single word you're saying. That guy might have cheated...
We expected that. Who believes punks anyhow. We are the bad guys. So here's another "proof of concept" you will find more difficult to explain: Today we decided to put this up to public after having fun with it for a couple of month. So we chose our beloved friends at crossfire.nu (revenge is sweet, isn't it) to help us out. People wont trust us, but them. They're loyal.
So we put up one of our signatures and send it as a message to their IRC master channel. Soon, more than 300 players got kicked for #80332.
Crossfire 3.0 - A Gaming Community - powered by Game-Hosting.com
Crossfire 3.0 - A Gaming Community - powered by Game-Hosting.com
Game over.
Evenbalance will disable these scans or at least remove critical signatures quickly. If you cannot reproduce our results, dont worry. We have all the proof. Punkbuster might fix the terrible mistake, but there is no fix to the damage of it's reputation.
copy paste plzzz
SHOW US UR COPY PASTE SKILLZZZZZ
.com? :DDDDD
didnt get kicked for 20mins now.
looks like these guys tried to use the moment and hack it up
but i got kicked 30 mins ago and not on the list
looks like they stopped adding them
I was kicked in the middle of the stream tbh and went Warsow right after so I didn't actually follow the action but I see you're doing your duty! Keep it up soldier!
clever that innit.....
All in all: pb is a fucking failure!
I hope you got it now...
As it wouldn't be known before....
That pb is shit was known before and they found a bug, while they were trying to make their private cheats undetectable again. Instead to publish it instantly or to tell it evenbalance they have kicked innoncents and planned to use it for some propaganda shit...and sad to see that u fell for it.
Ehm how?
engrish
P.S.: Correct me, if I wrong...
I didn't want to question it. But it was always known that pb does work so or not? On the one hand a player wants a working anticheat system, on the other hand he doesn't want to "give out such as informations"...that's the price you have to pay and I trust evenbalance there tbh.
I don't like the fact, but I accept that it's probaly needed and I am not afraid of anything, because of it.
At the end of the day i guess nc proved the point, even if it was painstakingly obvious to a lot of people beforehand. Its nice that they proved pb can be exploited/wrong though as it will perhaps help those that have got wrongly banned. Although it has fucked a few things up :/
They wouldn't be banned without nC. ^^ They don't deserve any credits, if I see the way how they found it and how they have dealed with it tbh. The only thing I have respect for is their "coding skill", but in the end it's important how you use it. Joseph Goebbels has not deserved any respect or credits, although he was a great talker.
Happy?
IT WAS US!
Do we have a fat grin smiley here? It's a special day!
VERY SAD :///
netcoders:
LOL
SARCASM 100%
It's some kind of retardness you won't understand them.
if i say "yes" they will feel happy or what?
in this way its called nolife-retarding.
Just think a while have you ever been such a nolife to take so much time to look for this bug or code hax which takes 1month(?)
Imo it's impossible to say what do they have in their heads(I mean why do they do that).
want XXXXXXX , wanna XXXXXXXX ?
want XXXXXXX" , xxx today! (too much retards spammed them)
you will get banned for multihack even if u're not cheating...
o/
P.S.: Correct me, if I wrong...
btw evenbalance is the mockery of the internet. ssh
edit: waiting for cf department comic about the situation:D
lold
PROUD!