ESL zeroE vs n1ce

HEI!
I want to write this journal to clear it once bcoz i don't want to be flamed anymore in private messages.

So.. yesterday we (United Kingdom zeroE) had a ESL qualy vs Italy n1ce LINK-> http://www.esl.eu/eu/et/6on6/eu_ems/match/9214126/ .
We came on the server with 6 main lineup all added at ESL roster. After that they came with 3 players added at roster, 2 players who actually play with them on ESL and CB but they are not in roster and 1 player/merc who is playing this ESL ems qauly with another clan.
So after long time waiting for admin's answer we left server bcoz they didn't have players in the roster.

WHY?
Basically its not our fault if thier leader Italy mama didn't put in roster that 3 guyz who were going to play yesterday 9 days before the match as ESL rules says. They also knew that yesterday was the deadline of the match. Everyone knows rules and everyone should respect them.

I will give just an example.. If this was CB and we got 3 players who weren't added like they had yesterday we got automaticly lost forfeited. Doesn't matter in which league we are playing, every league should get respected.

And now if there is someone who wants to say that we won by being gay/lame or smth - WHY? ..there is nothing about being gay. We just respect rules, everyone should do it, otherwise big leagues like ESL/CB were dead already.

Even Italy mama has a quote in his profile:
QuoteLesson #1 in ET
Poland Mrozu: rules are rules


Have a nice day, work is waiting for me.
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gl in the cup :)
STICKY NEWS IMHO
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gg wp immoo

what is the next match ? (inter i mean)
Inter vs Cagliari (eZbash ;D) and then vs Milan - we will show them what football actullay is !!!
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of course we will !
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agree with you.
guess what, mama fails
who cares, your profile picture ownez
lies!

24.04.08 18:57h n1ce.it new_member Nonix
24.04.08 21:10h n1ce.it new_member asd.

actually nonix was added to the team before the match yesterday and asd aswell , i guess we forgot to add them while many things happened the last 2-3 weeks inside the team and we had to play in eurocup. So mama added them yesterday before the match but they were not inside the team cause of the 10 days trial period time. Mama did his fucking job it was just about you to allow this guys playing and you fucking knew that this guys were playing with us in this ec season, so i just guess u were afraid of playing a "mix".

gl in rl with this attitude, hopefully one4one will rape your ass , gl to them <3
nice excuses but i really dont care :<
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well its just about turn the things into the right way, but it wont makes us win the match anyway
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Quotegl in rl with this attitude


If you don't respect rules in real life at the end you are in prison.
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we did as mentioned in the text up, it was just about you to allow this guys playing since they were added to the team and since rules allows you to allow the players which where just added but have period time. we would have been able to play the match if u just have wanted to play it!
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we'll try^^
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yes we will!
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too bad asd has been added after the game
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game was at 22:00. i dont get ur point
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according to the ESL Matchlink it was at 20cet
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wenn man keine ahnung hat , einfach mal fresse halten , wie wärs mit dem?
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wer im glashaus sitzt sollte nicht mit steinen werfen
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exactly but atleast i have a clue what im talking about.
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seems not, otherwise you wouldnt whine about the match
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there was no match so how could i whine about it? well its only my buisness i guess..
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you dont want to understand it, so no point trying to discuss
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mission completed XD
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You can be a bit sportive also, what the heck lol he is ATLEAST added to the team
serious business. Least u could have played an unofficial game for the sake of the 8 or 9 ettv viewers :p Also I think that 10 day rule in esl is utter arse, especially for players who are *known*..
finally someone noticed that ESL admins SUCKS and are A LOT worse than CB admins! THANK YOU!

http://www.crossfire.nu/?x=forum&mode=item&id=8062
LOAL, U SUCKS!
If you sign up for a cup, you should play by the rules. Simple.

CB > ESL
well said Thomm old son....and get back as admin for the OC!
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immooo plz!!
well i see your point immoo, but you know asd and nonix were playing with n1ce already before in EC etc, so i dont rly see the problem it will be different if they added like mAus to just play with him to win, but this isnt rly the point
i actually didnt know that asd is playin for n1ce
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oh he played with them before as far i can remember, but like i said i understand you guys, but it wasnt rly nessacary
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he played the whole last OC season for n1ce and just came active again to help us out
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didnt know that
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ye you are such a noob rly d00d u iz
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ich hab ne zwiebel auf m kopf ich bin ein döner
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13 allowed players in the account and you cant get a 6 men lineup with those people. really unlucky.
it seems that sportmanship is hard to find these days.
idd, I said this about a recent cb match we were victims of, purely because of unforseen circumstances. Makes me wonder why people bother to get teams together if default wins is all they want...so sad :(
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I have different opinion about that. Rules are rules, you agree on them when joining the cup. you dont accept rules? dont join cups and play scrims.

imo its bad sportmansship if u think ur above the rules or just don't care about them. Everyone playing in esl knows there is a 10 day rule (yea, its too long).

No half made/mix/merc team should play in cups, that's why this rule exists.

quite about a year ago I had the same problem playing vs. mixed team in esl, who you already knew before the season started that the people in it weren't goin to play. Right before our match they add 3 players and then whine and flame you for 30 minutes. (wnb, retard, lowskiller, random). Is that sportmansship? =P

ofc this is quite a different case, as n1ce isn't a mixed team, but if their excuse is "1 of them played with us last year" and "we forgot to add them cause we were busy" that really doesn't need a comment.

Edit: we lost our oc match cause 2 of us weren't able to update their guid vs. cwg in time ;)
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all of the guys who wanted to play this game were playing with us in THIS ec season 1-2 weeks ago
furthermore we did nothing against the rules since they allowed us to use 1 merc and the other 2 guys were added before the match so they would just have to allow them and we would have been able to play the match if they just would have wanted to.
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Yeah then u just should have added them on time :P

I know that there is nothing worse than losing on default cause of stuff like that (see my edit)...


Well I get ur point in ur edit... It's not like u would have added them only for the game...
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indeed its just lame
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nope I totally disagree, I think u miss the point. Although I think teams should sign up for cups with at least 6 players, admins and organisers should be prepared for any event that can result in the team being unable to play. They should be able as admins to judge each problem on its individual merits. if decisions are left to players, thats where the anarchy starts.
Although rules need to be in place, people should also try to remember why they are playing, its a game ffs, and if everyone could turn around at every problem and say ok we win by default, then we have no game spirit.
You know yourself, from a recent incident how things like changing guids can be overlooked. I believe that we should be concentrating more on ironing out cheaters, rather than mobbing innocents and making the game more beuracratic than it should be. If a player can be proved clean, and he hasnt played for another team in same comp, then np.
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Yea that's a good point actually, but it just won't work. That would only end in a neverending flamewar cause in 1 case admin says this in other that.

That's what rules should be like. Same for everyone, not depending on the mood of an admin.

And if they forgot to add them on time, don't you think they would have forgotten to talk to admin? :P
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careful selection of admins would sort that problem, and a revamp of rules...

anyway wsk, I believe we have something more important to discuss :p

I'm out today for a bit, but can u talk to infi? in #inmotion, or cutty if he's about...
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I'm on work, irc is blocked here =P
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i know but ull be home in like 10 minutes anyway, its FRIDAY!!
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totally agree.

It comes down to simple sportmanship and remembering what this is. A game guys!! it's something we are doing for our pleasure. In tons of cases it's quite obvious that fielding certain players is a no-go or a simple "yah why not".

Rules should never be taken as written in stone, but as guidelines, and especially if comon sense (not allowed for 10 days is ABSURD) simply says "this rule is stupid".
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what can you expect by a dAnOnE 's friend?

dAnOnE is not my friend
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imo that 10days barred rule is fucked up

n1ce to see someone caring about rules since usually everone just whine about those
well, i don't see a problem with allowing the 2 guys who are added @esl to play (10 days rule suck, if the opponent agrees it's fine according to esl, in my experience most teams don't have a problem with that). it's different with the 3rd merc though, who already played with a different team.
but hey, rules are fucked, we just got kicked from OC for 2x noshow (1x we played but cb sais 0-0 and 1x we wanted to play but we+oppo agreed to reschedule and then they wanted to play with junky. cb admin sais rescheduling is not allowed anyway, noshow both! :X)
u would have lost anyways so u took the easy way np
cya @ lan 8D
impossible to see them playin @ lan with such players...

no offence but they are onlineonly team and you all know it already
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"ok" mr. Busted :DDDDDDD
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ma che vuoi vedere un pò di stats della cdc4 e poi ti metto le tue coi d&b e duke e gli amici tuoi nabbi di cazzo alla cdc3?

non solo cittate e giocate da 3 mesi fate pure i lamer co ste cagate

gg
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Quotenon solo cittate e giocate da 3 mesi fate pure i lamer co ste cagate


hahahaha rofl, dio tu nn sai niente di noi.. sta zitto ti fara meglio.
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e guardati l'amico tuo estone su CB da quanto gioca..
e se non vengono alle lan e chi viene suca non è colpa mia
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Oki, èi vediamo li :*
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Nice removing me from buddylist!
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